system, bach

I'll vote Cole Porter only because he shouldn't get shut out...

He was my own nomination, but it has to be Bach in this match-up.

Wilco...........3 - 1.....System of a Down
Bach............3 - 1................Cole Porter

Bach/SOAD

SoaD/JSB

Bach/SoaD

Are the SoaD voters ambivalent to Wilco or just huge SoaD fans?

Wilco...........3 - 4.....System of a Down
Bach............6 - 1................Cole Porter

In my case, both.

I find Wilco mediocre, I would never chose to listen to them on my own. But I prefer them to system.

I'm not particularly into either of them but Wilco doesn't work for me. Some groups just don't. Neither group would win a matchup against either Kanye or Eminem anyway (or Jack White, if he somehow wins).

I used to not care for SoaD, but started really listening to them recently, and although I can see why many don't like them, I think they are fantastic.

By the way, guys--

Do we like this division-style better, or the simple 1 vs. 65, 2 vs. 63-style seeding of the Author tourney?

I ask since I'll probably make more of these tournaments after we wrap this one up and take a nice break, lol.

Shenanigans.
Especially Nels Cline era Wilco for those of you who like your face-melting guitarsists.

Obi, we should have random seedings in the first round like we did here and then seed them from the second round onward based on the number of votes they got or based even on margin of victory in their first round matchup. If things still aren't perfect, great, we improve it from there, but both this and the author thing have been messy at best.

Said it last round and I'll say it again, I prefer Son Volt to Wilco.

No votes from me on these pairings.

As for the next tournament, here's how I would suggest it be done:

0) Initial set up, the tournament organizers decide what the four brackets will be. Then, the TOs pre-seed "top half" and "bottom half" of each quarter based on their personal preferences and then randomly assign pairings, 1 top vs 1 bottom. Some bias will creep into the initial setup, but not too much, and you can assure there are no "Bach vs Beethoven" matchups in the first round.

After that, if you want to do some re-seeding based on margin of victory or other metric, that's fine. You could also do another "top half" vs "bottom half" based on the votes and randomly assign the next round pairings the same way. The UEFA Champions League does this after a fashion, and it's a pretty good system.

Maybe we could just have a tournament to determine the best bracket and seeding system.

I think SoaD is a solid hard rock band, but Wilco is an amazing alt rock/alt country band. I think if you're torn between them, at least consider that Wilco has been touring for 20 years and has only ever gotten better, while SoaD was big for only a few years and really flamed out quickly.

If Wilco has been touring for 20 years, why are they in this group?

Why is Johnny Cash in the same group as Mozart when he put out his last album in 2002 before his death in 2003?

Wilco really has two phases of their career; pre-YHF and post-YHF. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot came out in 2001, so they're probably in the right bracket. Their 90s stuff is more similar to Son Volt and Uncle Tupelo in that its more alt-country sounding than their later material.

Yeah, but if you look at where the Foo Fighters and Green Day are, it's based on the beginning of their careers, not at their peak. Obi said so somewhere; it's buried. I'm just complaining because I can.

Ban bo_sox for advocating meta-tournamenting!

@Jeff Kuta...good ideas. I would also recommend adding stipulation to nominations, something like having to get a couple of +1's as "seconds" just to eliminate some BS noms straightaway (ie Lady Gaga in this tourney).

Wilco and Bach

If Wilco loses a day after the Mountain Goats, I may flip a shit.

back/soad

Bo, I made the groups one day while I was board at work. There were a lot of bands and they weren't evenly spread across eras so they were very crudely pigeon holed. To have split it properly, we would have needed the nominations to be more evenly spaced.

Wilco...........4 - 5.....System of a Down
Bach..........Lots - Few........Cole Porter

Or we could have put them together. The 60s are stacked, the 90s are relatively empty. It should be biased this way, but we should carry all those 60s groups further rather than singling out just one and pitting them against the other three bracket winners.

My categories:

Bands that aren't Creed
Creed