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ghug (5068 D(B))
06 Mar 13 UTC
Fog On The Barrow Downs EoG
gameID=107743

Thanks for setting it up Tom, and well played all of you (except Dharm, I guess). I'll write something up later.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
04 Mar 13 UTC
Rules of life?
Does anyone has some sort of rules they live by, like the Ten Commandments? Semper Fidelis? Carpe Diem? Anything you live by?

An important one for me would be: Sometimes you're wrong.
I'm thinking of making a list for myself so I know what I want if it ever gets to a rash decision of big importance or something...
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
hey, my rule got attacked. i'm not going to take that shit sitting down lol
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
Don't sweat the small.stuff and remember, it's all small stuff.
krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
By sweating the small stuff...are you *again* referring to your balls, Draugnar? I thought we agreed on the term "tiny"??
krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
The Tiny Twosome Tinkling Too and Fro 'Tween Draug's T'highs...
semck83 (229 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
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While I mostly agree that money can't buy happiness, I didn't think much of the article you posted, Thucy. For example, consider this excerpt:

" Leading the way was the Cornell economist Robert Frank, whose 1987 book “Passions Within Reason” analyzed some of the things people do that just don’t fit into economics models of pure self-interest – such as tipping in restaurants far from home, seeking costly revenge, and staying loyal to friends and spouses when better opportunities come along. Frank argued that these behaviors make sense only as products moral emotions (such as love, shame, vengeance, or guilt), and these moral emotions make sense only as products of evolution. Evolution seems to have made us “strategically irrational” at times for our own good; for example, a person who gets angry when cheated, and who will pursue vengeance regardless of the cost, earns a reputation that discourages would-be cheaters. A person who pursued vengeance only when the benefits outweighed the costs could be cheated with impunity in many situations."

I don't think that this shows that this person is actually acting for reasons other than self-interest, at all. At most, it suggests that traditional economists have used flawed logic in analyzing where interest actually lies, what people's utility function is, if you wish. That's quite a different hypothesis from the one that the paper is purported to show.

The next work discussed, on luxury, is actually more relevant, but it's also extremely arrogant and presumptuous. Repeatedly, it says that people "would be happier" if they experienced X, Y, or Z, yet its analysis is plainly shallow. Consider:

"People would be happier if they reduced their commuting time, even if it meant living in smaller houses, yet American trends are toward ever larger houses and ever longer commutes."

But people would probably NOT be happier if they didn't have yards, and their kids had nowhere to play; or if they were packed together in dense urban areas. Happiness in those places is often very poor. The author here is isolating a single variable that correlates negatively with happiness (commute time), and illegitimately assuming that it could be changed independently of other things that might correlate even more strongly with happiness.

Then we're treated to a thought experiment. I agree it's kind of an interesting one, but guess what -- it screwed up the ratios. It asked somebody whether they'd rather make $90k where other people were making $70k, or $100k where others were making $150k. Then it asked if they'd rather get 2 weeks of vacation where others were making 1, or 4 weeks where others were making 6. But the change from 2 to 4 is 100$, whereas the change 90 to 100 is 10%. Great experiment design, guys!

Finally, at the end -- and indeed, throughout -- it is talking almost entirely about items bought for status. But a lot of objects aren't bought for status but convenience, and they're still things. For example, it wants to make a big dichotomy between "doing" and "having." But as any kid who got the new Nintendo first in the 90s knows, that was good for (a) impressing people, and (b) spending lots of time with them that constitute really good memories now.

So, overall, I thought the argument that's presented rambling, unfocused, and poorly reasoned.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
you should read the whole book
semck83 (229 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
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You should post the whole book.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
it also blows my mind that you seem to think the guy has some kind of agenda. you should look him up as well.
semck83 (229 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
I don't know if he has an agenda or not. I just know the reasoning he was cited as using above is shoddy. That may very well be due to bad reporting, though. That happens very often.
You should both get a room.
blankflag (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
i think we need to live in a world where the truth is universally known and as jfk said we should be how we were meant to be, free and independent. also no group of people are better than any other group of people. and consistency is important. i cant see all the death and pain in the world but i can try to imagine if i could see it what it would be like. my empathy is somewhat worn down so i am trying to artificially restore it.

that about sums it up. underlying it all, however, is trying to make a world where things are good. when we allow things like dishonesty or the consolidation of power it tends to lead to the greatest injustices so i tend to go against that.
blankflag (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
religions always start out founded in egalitarianism and honesty. but within a few hundred years they are taken over by the wealthy and become the exact opposite. and then people who claim to be religious are using it as a justification for consolidation of wealth and power and deception and dishonesty. i say if you want to follow a religion follow it like how the people around jesus were following it, or the original jews. not what these major religions have become under the power of the richest people in the world.
Jamiet99uk (865 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
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No they don't. Scientology started out as a money-making scheme for L. Ron Hubbard.
Jamiet99uk (865 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
Religions often start out as a way of maintaining the status quo and as a tool for controlling the populace.
blankflag (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
yeah... maybe scientology was partly to make money.... but hubbard had to at least pretend there was some kind of egalitarianism. we are all light beings and we are all equal we can all clear ourselves equally we just have to learn the true truth....... maybe? i dont think his first followers would follow him if they thought it was just about getting money. so any *principles* he codified were not about money.... or i am sure it would not have been followed as a religion.
Jamiet99uk (865 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
No but the religion was founded as a money making scheme. That's it.
Timur (673 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
Haven't read more than this page, but I see you're on to Scientology. First job I had was as a mail manager for them in Edinburgh. We were termed 'non-existent' and required to work all hours for no overtime pay. My two Celtic friends in the packing room and I got extremely pissed off with their arrogance. One day, we beat the shit out of a bunch of them and walked out , never to return. Just saying.
Timur (673 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
To get the job, you had to take a lie-detector test. The whole bit. They tried to pry secrets from you which they could use against you at a future date. Which they did in some cases in Edinburgh. Bahubbards!
Octavious (2701 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
@ Thuc

You don't have any rules, Thuc, you have guidelines. It's a common trait of many posh boys I have known ;). I'm not critisisng you for being posh, by the way, no one can help what they're born as. But you should always keep in mind the limitations being posh brings. It's like some of those people who raise money for the homeless by spending a night on the streets and then say they "know what it's like". No, they don't. They know what it's like to sleep rough for the night when they've got a warm bed waiting for them afterwards. They have no idea what it's like to sleep rough when there is no hope of things getting better.

In the same way you can happily jump into a life of simplicity or poverty or whatever you want to call it, but it doesn't stop you being a posh boy. At any time when it gets too much you could fall back to your gold plated education and get a good job to pull you out. At any time you could go to a well off family member and ask for help. That puts you in a very different place from all of those who live a life without possessions because they have no choice.

As far as the book goes, the very fact that the region of pay being discussed is around the $100,000 mark sums it up. When you're there a few grand more or less doesn't account for much. When you're close to minimum wage and have a family to support you take what you can get.
Timur (673 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
Well said, Octavious!
Timur (673 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
Have your family screw you over, kick you into touch and hope you die there. Hope you can survive then. There ain't no coming back, bud.
Yeah, take that person over the internet of whom I know nothing!

http://xkcd.com/386/
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
@Octavious

Stop making assumption about my personal life, you fucking asshole.

For one thing, in the field I'm in you can't make much more than $30k, hardly a gold-plated job. And that's IF you're going for the cash.. I'm not. For another thing, since you so glibly assumed it, no, I can't go back home. That's the price I paid for telling my parents who I really am. As far as I can tell, I *am* going to be as poor as I am now the rest of my life, and I know it. And it's okay, really. I'm not saying this to get your pity. And I'm CERTAINLY not sitting here trying to say "I know what it's like" for the people I want to struggle alongside, the *real* poor people who live on less than a dollar a day. I would hope I'd not be caught dead engaged in such a farce as that.

I am however telling you this to teach you not to fucking insult people by making assumptions about them. I try to be nice with you but this is too far man. What the hell is your problem with me.
Octavious (2701 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
So you can say, hand on heart, that if you went back and apologised you wouldn't be accepted back into the fold? Not that I'm for one moment suggesting you should (there's something about your independent streak that is rather admirable) but if you wanted to you probably could. Same goes for your job. If you wanted to you could change your field to someone more lucrative. You don't want to, but you could. You have choices that others simply don't have.

But no, Thucy, you do not try to be nice to me. You tend to insult me directly on a regular basis. You also have a habit of escalating our conversations somewhat. Still, it could just be that we're the sort of people who just rub each other up the wrong way. With that in mind I will shut up :p.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
It's always interesting speaking these things out. "we're the sort of people who just rub each other up the wrong way." Even if both persons know it's true, the consequences could be dire. I've always found the consequences of calling someone "a friend" very fascinating.
Posh was my favorite Spice Girl.
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
Thucy is probably the most contentious and cantancerous of all the mods here.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
wow, fuck off octavious. seriously. leave my family out of this.
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
@Thucy - I think I recall why your immediate family would never let you back, but surely you have other relatives who are understanding and accepting. They can't all be saying #fuckthucy can they?
This reminds me. One of my rules in life is to never call anyone names. If you're right about someone, it never helps. If you're wrong about someone, it makes things worse.

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EmperorMaximus (551 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
Game. Join. Play. Win.
gameID=111739
2 Day Phase
WTA
147 Bet
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ghug (5068 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
THREAD THREADING THREAD
This thread was designed for the purpose of threading threads. Please use this thread to thread threads, preferably with thread.

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
The Earth-Worship Religion of
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/the_religion_of_global_warming.html
* "Man-made global warming is an earth-worshiping religion....to be accepted on faith, as opposed to hard evidence. "
Discuss NOT global warming, but the "religious" aspects of the belief:
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
06 Mar 13 UTC
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Rand Paul fillibustering Brennon
Rand Paul, angry at the Administration using Drone strikes to kill American citizens, has began a bi-partisan filibuster against Nominee Brennon. He is supported by Democrat Ron Wyden, as well as Rubio, Cornyn, Lee, and a few others.
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blankflag (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
did obama really set a trial for osamas son in law in the states
how did this happen? this is the only reasonable thing i think his administration has done in recent memory. will this be a public hearing? everything i am sure will be classified - they cant let people know the truth about any of this al qaeda stuff. but just bringing him into the country is something. did this guy have absolutely no knowledge of the organization? how could obama do this?
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Mar 13 UTC
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Point Tax
It seems to me there is a great disparity in the number of pints people have, with some having earned thousands, and other often stuck below 100. It is time to implement a Point Tax, perhaps monthly, to supplement to lower-tiered players who can not/will not earn and save points. Who's in???
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
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North Korea threatens with nuclear war!
I have never been so not-scared in my life! :D
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blankflag (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
absurd amounts of sugar in a venti
so new york will make it illegal to put more than 3 teaspoons of sugar in a venti. so you sugar addicted assholes have to start carrying around packets of sugar. but i guess this probably doesnt apply to self-serve sugar - so maybe starbucks is still ok.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
08 Mar 13 UTC
A game of mine was drawn less than five minutes ago
Says it finished at 6pm on Saturday. That's odd.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
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Absurd Amount so fSugar in Cottom Candy!
I'm appalled to discover that not only were Cottom Candy hawkers selling me 100% spun sugar at the opera I attended in New York, but stores <gasp!!!> actually sell home-cotton candy makers!! The travesty...Federal Legislation *must* ensue...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
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JMO INDIFFERENCE THREAD
This thread is to express a heaping amount of "Eh..." about the player known as jmo. Please use this thread to shrug your shoulders and sigh awkwardly at the mention of his name.
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Napoleon1 (100 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
HELP ABBY STUDY FOR LATIN!
Anyone? :P
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
08 Mar 13 UTC
Korean War II
North Korea shattered the peace pacts! Looks like Kim Jong Il is not only eating himself into a heart attack but smoking himself into a coma. Good luck, North Korea! The world will remember you as the horrendous crapshoot you were.
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dubmdell (556 D)
24 Feb 13 UTC
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A Promise for Greece
The Today's Homeric Reading thread includes this hymn today that has an amazing promise for Greece. (This is an occasional special posting so if your mind is completely closed to the bard's corpus, just mute this thread.)
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
18 Feb 13 UTC
EOG: Around the World GB Tourney Game 5
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dubmdell (556 D)
04 Mar 13 UTC
EOG: Around the World Map Gunboart Tournament Game 11
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
07 Mar 13 UTC
JMO COMPLAINT THREAD
This thread is to complain about the player known as jmo. Please use this thread to slander his name.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
08 Mar 13 UTC
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JMO PRAISE THREAD
This thread is to praise the player known as jmo. Please use this thread to sanctify his name.
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
07 Mar 13 UTC
Advice to a new online player
Hey--

Although I'm no stranger to board games, or negotiating games (there's a Game of Thrones boardgame that--at least when I play it--includes a Diplomacy-style negotiating phase) I am new to Diplomacy. Needless to say, I'm new to this site as well. As a 30-something high-school history teacher familiar with strategy/negotiation, what is the best advice a long-time player can offer me?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Mar 13 UTC
According to a Recent Poll...
The huge majority of Americans oppose being killed by a drone strike.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Mar 13 UTC
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Coolest Place on Earth
Post the coolest, prettiest, most beautiful - whatever your preference - place you've ever been. Attach a picture and browse a bit..
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SYnapse (0 DX)
04 Mar 13 UTC
WWII Variant
My variant is almost ready for release for vdip.
http://lab.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=87
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Mar 13 UTC
This is what happens when you cross Catholicism with Poverty
Best and worst 15 minutes of my life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
07 Mar 13 UTC
COMMON SAYING??
Is ignoring behaviour the same as condoning behaviour?
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jiaflu (443 D)
07 Mar 13 UTC
Allan Calhamer Dies at 81; Invented Diplomacy Game
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/us/allan-calhamer-inventor-diplomacy-board-game-dies-at-81.html?pagewanted=all&hpw&_r=0
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JackBot (0 DX)
01 Mar 13 UTC
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Can't leave game
Hi,

This and 11 other accounts I control were created to fill slots in a large game with some friends. We wanted to play the 17 player map with less than 17 people (we are aware of balance issues with this), and our schedules are varied which disallows us from having shorter turns.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
06 Mar 13 UTC
Post your muted list
Because having a muted list is like peace on earth
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VirtualBob (209 D)
06 Mar 13 UTC
Contacting a Mod
What is the protocol for contacting a mod?
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