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Yonni (136 D(S))
29 Jun 12 UTC
Chatting during a pause.
There seems to be mixed sentiment about chatting during a pause. Personally, I appreciate the courtesy of not plotting my demise while I'm away. I've seen people hold to that principal on and off on the site. Wondering how the majority of ppl feel about it.
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RSf (0 DX)
29 Jun 12 UTC
Password protected games
How do you get to play in password protected games .. or should one wait to be asked?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
29 Jun 12 UTC
So, I downloaded Henry Kissinger's "Diplomacy"
So far I've gotten to page 284. I'd say every diplomat on this site should read it!
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
29 Jun 12 UTC
Classic Game -6
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=93183
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RiverOtter (100 D)
29 Jun 12 UTC
Export Game in Judge or jDip Format
I am shocked this is not part of the interface. Please tell me I'm wrong, or I'll write a standalone tool to do it.
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Help - Dipn' Dots
hi...i haven't played a lot of games here but understand the fundamentals and basics. i noticed on the board that all the various colors remind me of a form of dipn'dots...is it possible to lick the screen and "taste the rainbow" so to speak...
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RSf (0 DX)
29 Jun 12 UTC
Ratings
I'm relatively new to WebDip .. and am interested to know roughly how the ratings work and what influences your status. Is it primarily about proportion of wins? (But I have noticed people with no wins who have moved on from 'political puppet'.) Or is it more about the overall proportion of wins/draws/survived/defeats? Do the total number of points you have influence things? Does the quantity of games played matter?
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Favio (385 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Aliens in the White House
Apparently 65% of americans say that Obama would handle an alien incursion better than Romney.....sure...he offers them Obamacare and they blow the planet up because they realize that it is ridiculous.
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Tyran (914 D)
29 Jun 12 UTC
EOG Mutually assured destruction
Roflmao! The game was canceled in like 1908 or later! Don't leave up your cancel votes and leave it to the only guy losing to vote cancel lol
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Sajtoskefley (111 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Help - Black dot
Hi all! I am new here, I didn't play too much games yet, but I understand the basics. There is one thing yet I do not understand: At some provinces there are a black dot with a circle around it. What does it mean?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
25 Jun 12 UTC
Looking for a sitter...
...on vdip.
We're playing an interest bankroll variant (see: http://vdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=29140&page-thread=1#threadPager) by signing up you'd be agreeing to follow the rules in the thread. I need someone to sit for ~10 days as i'm away with my scouts.
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
28 Jun 12 UTC
Moving to Canada
See below.
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Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Problem in a world game.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=89935#gamePanel.
I went to move fleet Quebec NC to New Foundland & fleet New Foundland to Quebec SC and It bounce! It should have went because two different coasts.
Thanks.
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JRMA (0 DX)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Need World Diplomacy Players
Ten more players needed in "Against The World".
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Putin33 (111 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Azzuri win!
Mario!!!
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rokakoma (19138 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
2012 end of the world - EoG
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Catan_banned (0 DX)
17 Jun 12 UTC
Debate?
Atheist here. Want to debate god's existence?
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JECE (1248 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
dipplayer2004:

1. I have thought about the existence of gods. But since the concept is so ridiculous to me, no matter what 'arguments' I have been presented with, I cannot fairly say that I have considered the existence of one. For me, to consider something requires there to be a real debate in your head. Think about your reaction to Jack Sparrow. Did you really consider whether he could exist? No, you were immediately blocked by your knowledge that Jack Sparrow was a fictional character. You did not, and cannot, reach the point where you are actually thinking about the possibility of his existence.

2. Moreover, as I'm sure you are aware, there is no reason to believe that Jack Sparrow exists. That is a very good reason for it never to have occurred to you that Jack Sparrow could exist. There is also no reason to believe that gods exist. There's your difference between "the religious person who never questions His existence" and somebody who has never heard of gods. (For your information, I have heard of gods.)

3. You're right – faith is not equivalent to a belief. Faith is believing in something blindly. (The word 'not' you included adds nothing to the statement you gave and can be ignored; a non-belief is still a belief.) Since I've been using it so much here, Merriam-Webster puts it (in its relevant definitions as either "firm belief in something for which there is no proof " or "complete trust". Faith is patriotism; faith is Jonestown; faith is the kernel of one of the most fundamental pillars of fascism: following orders unquestioningly. To be able to believe in something for which there is no proof, to value blind trust: those are some of the most dangerous convictions out there. Faith is despicable and disgusting. That's why I'm insisting to you that the term not be misused; we must never forget what faith is. To believe in God, for which you admit there is no proof, is not the same as denying "His" existence, for which there is all the counterproof in the world. To claim otherwise is not only a slap in the face to the scientific method and simple logic, but a very dangerous assertion.
JECE (1248 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
(in its relevant definitions as either --> (in its relevant definitions) as either a
LanGaidin (1509 D)
18 Jun 12 UTC
Without having read most of the posts, I have but one question. If the universe in its unfathomable whole can be self created, would it be conceivable for a supreme entity to subsequently be self created?
Vicky[Toss] (0 DX)
18 Jun 12 UTC
^No, because the universe's creation isn't unfathomable, while the creator of what is created before there was supposedly anything is a completely metaphysical, and for many, a bona fide concept.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
JECE, nobody has had their life changed by Jack Sparrow. However, God has and is changing many lives. He has changed mine.

Give me one proof that God does not exist. You won't because you can't.

What is despicable and disgusting is that you slander something you have absolutely no conception of. And that you slander so many decent, good people who have dedicated their lives to it.

You are to be pitied, for your bitterness, and perhaps to be feared, for your bigotry.
LanGaidin (1509 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
How is the creation and the breadth/complexity of the universe not unfathomable? To have it exist from nothingness?
LanGaidin (1509 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Scrap that line of thoughg..looks like it had already been discussed:) just a bit behind in my reading.
Catan_banned (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
@ dip

"Give me one proof that God does not exist. You won't because you can't."

This is a fallacy. YOU have to prove it. Not atheist. If you can't supply prove for gods existence then atheist won't have a logical reason to convert. One other thing.

If I said between the orbit of Earth and Mars there is a small( 1/2 feet in diameter at it's widest point, and about 5 inches high) teapot, I wouldn't be able to prove it being that even our most powerful telescopes can't pick up such a small object. It would be asnine to demand somebody not prove it.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
"The reality is that only a small fraction of each group are truly dangerous enough to be impactful at all to anyone."

Really? State laws say otherwise.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
"Give me one proof that God does not exist."

Evolution by natural selection.
joeschoen (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
i also have serious doubts in god but if there is no god how does the universe exist where does energy used in the big bang come from I happened to have talked to a rabbi and he tried to prove Judaism by claiming that their bible was given to 6 million people how can mass revelation be faked
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Evolution is not a disproof of God.
Vicky[Toss] (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Why are you guys even arguing metaphysical concepts. If you are an Atheist, and you personally disprove the existence of God, so have you. If you are a Christian and you endear yourself to this God fellow, so have you. There is no debate really - it just comes down to two egos sitting down and looking each other in the eye and saying, "No, *I'm* the right one."
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
I'm sick of the attitudes. You are right, Vicky. It is a matter of FAITH either way.
joeschoen (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
I find it amusing that evolution is still denied
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Who here is denying it? Not I.
Vicky[Toss] (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Well, I mean it's more like faith vs. disbelief but I get what you're getting at.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
"Evolution is not a disproof of God."

Yes it is. We have an account of all life on earth, including the most complex, that doesn't involve any miracles. Theism claims you need something complex to cause complex results. But we know that isn't true at all. The simple evolves into the complex. And theism long claimed that humans were special creations, when common ancestry shows that to be not true.

""No, *I'm* the right one.""

Blah, blah, the trite law of the golden mean.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
And if evolution via natural selection doesn't disprove god it's a wonder that religious folk have treated it that way since the 1800s.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Theism doesn't claim any such thing. I can't find that verse in any holy book. :-P

Oh, Darwin's theory was definitely a paradigm-shaker, on par with the Copernican solar system. But nothing about it proves anything one way or the other. Humanity remains special, and God remains a perfectly reasonable proposition. And I'd have to say that Life remains an amazing miracle.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
"Theism doesn't claim any such thing."

Is god not complex? Is god creating something not more complex than genetic mutations and reproduction? We can feasible trace the origins of the life from its most complex to its simplest form, the entire process relying a very simple mechanism. Where is the role of the divine hand in natural selection? Why are we evolved from other primates if we're special?

" Humanity remains special, and God remains a perfectly reasonable proposition. And I'd have to say that Life remains an amazing miracle."

These are just assertions.
KalelChase (1494 D(G))
19 Jun 12 UTC
Evolution and (a)theism have nothing to do with each other.
In addition to other options you can be a theist/evolutionist (Francis Collins) or a atheist/creationist (directed evolution by a non-God agent).
joeschoen (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Putin33 I have a question you said the complex can come from the simple. which makes perfect sense, but where does the simple stuff come from?
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
No, you cannot be a 'theist' and an evolutionist in the Darwinian sense. Theism requires an active, interventionist god. There is no room for such a thing since evolution by natural selection is true. Collins can claim there is a divine guide behind every naturalistic account of the world, but that isn't theism. That's Deism.

Here's what Collins says, a theist he is not:

"And it does make you think that a mind might have been involved in setting the stage. At the same time that does not imply necessarily that that mind is controlling the specific manipulations of things that are going on in the natural world. In fact, I would very much resist that idea. "

"(directed evolution by a non-God agent)."

And what 'agent' would that be?
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
"but where does the simple stuff come from?"

The question of the first cell is the greatest scientific question which remains. Some kind of spontaneous cell production occurred which we cannot yet explain. That doesn't mean some miracle happened. Why would an omnipotent supernatural being "create" the first cell and then disappear? That is more implausible than spontaneous cell production.
joeschoen (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
my question still is not answered how were thing even simpler than cell formed, like protons
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Putin: "These are just assertions."

As is the statement that "God does not exist," or the statement that "Evolution proves xyz."
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
"As is the statement that "God does not exist," or the statement that "Evolution proves xyz.""

Yes but I provided reasons for those assertions. You provided none.

"my question still is not answered how were thing even simpler than cell formed, like protons"

High energy photon collisions.
joeschoen (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
and where do those photons that collide come from or the energy that propelled them
dubmdell (556 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
A lack of scientific explanation does not mean that we must appeal to magic. (Besides this, there are numerous scientific theories on the origin of matter.)

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JRMA (0 DX)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Against The World
Come join Against The World; World diplomacy.
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jmbostwick (2308 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Full-messaging PPSC game, need players!
24-hour phases, full messaging. We need a few players to join, since a couple friends dropped. Please be sure you're willing to commit to the whole game.
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JRMA (0 DX)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Against The World
World Diplomacy, "Against The World". Come play!
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Draugnar (0 DX)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Help - Grey dot
Hi all! I am new here, I didn't post to many threads here, but I understand the basics. There is one thing yet I do not understand: At some players there are a grey dot with a circle around it. What does it mean?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
Help - Green dot
Hi all! I am new here, I didn't post to many threads here, but I understand the basics. There is one thing yet I do not understand: At some players there are a green dot with a circle around it. What does it mean?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
28 Jun 12 UTC
Damn cool:
http://gizmodo.com/5921868/scientists-invent-particles-that-will-let-you-live-without-breathing
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taos (281 D)
28 Jun 12 UTC
political puppet tournament
i want to organise a small tournament for political puppets only.
pasworded games,have to be a political puppet at the moment of registering,ppsc games sc's count.
who is in?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
25 Jun 12 UTC
Supreme Court mostly overturns Arizona immigration law
The Supreme Court unanimously (8-0) upheld the part of the law requiring police to check the immigration documents of people they arrest/stop. It overturned the rest of the law -- 6-2 for the part of the law dealing with employment, and 5-3 for the rest.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
26 Jun 12 UTC
A State government pays for this IN AMERICA.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/loch-ness-monster-used-debunk-evolution-state-funded-190816504.html
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
26 Jun 12 UTC
Baby Boxes
"Boxes where parents can leave an unwanted baby, common in medieval Europe, have been making a comeback over the last 10 years. Supporters say a heated box, monitored by nurses, is better for babies than abandonment on the street." Discuss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18585020
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
26 Jun 12 UTC
Gunboat Isn't Real Diplomacy
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Draugnar (0 DX)
22 Jun 12 UTC
So which of you fucktards wants to get your ass kicked first...
...in a World game with yours truly, the Draug! :-)

Seriously, I'm in the mood for a full press, non-anon, WTA world game of 24-48 hours. Anyone else who wants in, sign up by replying below!
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joeschoen (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Liberals vs Conservatives
i don't no which ideologies make more sense so start debating
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