Further, Obama organizes Homeland Security to keep any local camera crews away from teh bank so they can't report on any of teh fighting that occurs over the money that is illegally being made free to people.

And Libtards wonder why they haen't heard about the bank vault story...

MORONS.

ckroberts - you are a moron…a disingenuous piece of shit…and there is a damned good chance you are just evil.

you want america to stop being the police of the world,and being involved in every countries business ,but we should be the charity of the world, huh? Jut because this instance happens to be about children(my heart does bleed for them), we should stop everything and make it better.....what about the parents who sent these kids, why do you not chastise them?

ck is goign to hide now, because he can't face facts. OR, he will ignore the precise analogy that has been made, and refuse to describe whyu it is wrong in detail.

Because he's an evil, cowardly libtard...who, mind you, has no compassion for dead dark-skinned babies...or else he would be *demanding* that the government and media at least look into it......But he is too terrified his political party of choice will be damaged by the facts…so he deflects, evades, avoids and tries to throw blame elsewhere. Pathetic, evil wretch.

Chaqa, why do we need to secure the border any more than it already it is? We should instead have a more sensible policy which allows a higher number of people into the country. I don't think that we should allow citizenship to be as easily gained, but it's not clear to me why a person who isn't dangerous (like a felonious Al Qaeda tuberculosis sufferer) should be denied entry.

ssoren, I think you confuse the American government with the American people. American personal charity should cover much the world, ideally - we're rich enough to do. I'd not want to coerce anyone into charitable giving, though. I don't chastise parents because these folks are coming from pretty bad circumstances. I generally applaud immigrants who are trying to make better lives for themselves and especially for their children. The crisis on the border is largely the making of the federal government.

Anyway, to feed a troll some more:

krellin, are you familiar with the concept of the null hypothesis? If you're making an analogy, then the obligation rests with you to demonstrate why it is useful and accurate. That said, I don't have to explain why it is wrong, as 2WL already has: it's difficult for me to believe that such sensational news would be ignored by literally everyone. Somebody would have a reliable story, if not photographs. I mean, Homeland Security is covering the whole border? None of the militia or immigrants themselves or just some passing guy have missed it?

Do you literally not understand that the law under which these children seek asylum was signed by George Bush? I am genuinely curious if you know that laws last beyond the administration of the president who signed them.

@ck: The reason the border needs to be secure is to keep more illegal immigrants from coming in.

if they are not citizens, we dont collect taxes from them, every time they go to an emergency room the hospital has to take care of them with no means to recoup monies. We as a country are already the largest charity givers in the world....enough is enough

Chaqa: That presupposes that a. the border is not already fairly secure (it is plenty), that b. illegal immigrants are a problem significant enough to merit spending even more money and accepting an expansion of our existing horrible system of border patrol, which they aren't, and that c. the large majority of undocumented immigrants enter via the Mexican border, which they (probably!) do not.

ssorenn: Lots of immigrants do pay taxes; everyone pays sales tax, for instance, and if they're using a false social security number, they're paying someone else's social security tax. Plus, why would you assume immigrants use but don't pay for emergency room service at a higher rate than do citizens? Every real study I've ever read has found that even illegal immigrants contribute more to society, economically, than they cost.

Ck - more illegal immigrants enter via Canada, I believe, but because they're white illegal immigrants no-one seems to mind too much.

I do think that's part of it; if Mexicans looked like Swedes, there'd be much less public outcry.

But apparently also a lot of immigrants of all ethnicity enter legally and overstay, making up something between a third and half of undocumented ones.

Not to nitpick, but...the title is a bit redundant. Aren't all dead beings lifeless?

@ ckroberts: "Do you literally not understand that the law under which these children seek asylum was signed by George Bush? I am genuinely curious if you know that laws last beyond the administration of the president who signed them."

Krellin clearly believes that every single law currently in force in the USA was signed into effect by President Obama. I think he should congratulate Mr. Obama for coming up with that "constitution" he's so fond of.

No, Jamie...apparently the Libtards think that Obama, after 6 years, still has zero influence over the country, and that all problsm belong to Bush. Which is bizarre, because if you think he is such a completely ineffectual leader, why the fuck do you still support him?

As for laws that are in place, I don't care is Jesus himself signed the laws into existence...the facts of the matter is, OBAMA is the one currently responsibile to actually ENFORCE the fucking laws. Not really that difficult to figure out, moron.

"I do think that's part of it; if Mexicans looked like Swedes, there'd be much less public outcry. "

Actually, if Mexicans loked like Swedes, the fucking media would be ALL OVER the border, and a pretty dead blonde baby on the shores of the Rio Grande would have sparked GLOBAL FUCKING OUTCRY!

ONce again, you silly LIbtard...you have it absolutely backwards.

God, how incredibly fucked up your demented, perverse and EVIL world view is...

<sparking those coals back into flames....>

@krellin: "Actually, if Mexicans loked like Swedes, the fucking media would be ALL OVER the border, and a pretty dead blonde baby on the shores of the Rio Grande would have sparked GLOBAL FUCKING OUTCRY!"

i really envy your reading skills. that is exactly what ck was saying. when he referred to less public outcry, he clearly meant that people like chaqa wouldn't mind opening the borders if mexicans looked like swedes.

That isn't my issue at all. I don't like the idea of open borders on principle, whether it be for Mexicans or Swedes or Turks to come here. Immigration needs to be gradual or else it causes too many issues - look at Europe, they have all kinds of problems from the massive influx of Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants.

what the hell are you even talking about? there is no immigration problem in europe! just because our right-wingers don't want non-white people in euope doesn't mean we have a problem.

Every week I hear some new story about racial/immigration issues in Europe. France banning turbans or hajibs or whatever, some discrimination issues, Muslims wanting Shariah law in Europe. It's all over the place.

you're really funny, do you know that? :)

i'll adress these issues if you really want, but you seem to have no idea what you're talking about.

kasimax - my retarded friend He said if Mexicans looked like Swedes there would be LESS outcry…I’m calling for MORE outcry, you blithering idiot.

Chaqa - you must understand that Libtards don't actually live in reality Everything is viewed through ideological rose colored glasses…this blinds them to what is actually going on around them. If there is a poor outcome resulting from a policy they think is “fair”…they don’t readdress the policy, they double down and insist if we just wish harder, maybe it will work. Their notions of governing are based on making people feel good, on perceived fairness, instead of actual fairness. For example, they perceive it’s fair that everyone should be equal, have equal wealth, etc…and yet never once do they ever require people to actually put forth equal effort to achieve this fair equality…thus they just cram it down people throats at the point of a gun..and this is Liberal compassion and fairness. The Mexican border crisis…it is the liberal insistence of “fairness”…oh, everyone has a right to a chance, to instead of making people work the process in true fairness to get the shot at a chance, they’ll just tear the laws apart, let them swarm in, steal resources from Americans to support the illegals, and pretend this is fair for all, and they are truly to stupid – and I use that word specifically – to grasp why that is neither fair nor rational.

Chaqa, the problem in Europe isn't the immigrants, it's that they are not able to fully integrate into society. But it sounds like kasimax can explain this better than I can.

To clarify, I was saying that if Mexicans looked like Swedes, there would be no controversy about immigration. The American-SwedoMexican border would look like the border between Texas and Louisiana.

"they are truly to stupid" lol

ckroberts is right on this one, if there truly was a problem in europe considering, it would be the integration. this has a few reasons - i can only speak from my countries point of view, but here, asylum seekers are not allowed to work, for example, and sadly, there is a general hostility towards non-western looking people. it's not that they don't want to integrate; they simply can't.

In the US, the issue is a bit different. There's a sizable (I don't know the exact amount) of immigrants who come here just to work. My dad's work experiences this a lot - they come and work here, and always lament "In my country, we do this this way" or other words to that effect. This irks me. Even worse are the ones who come and don't learn English. I'm sick of press 1 for English, press 2 for Spanish.

Chaqa has hit on an important point - the FALACY of "diversity".

The U.S. used to be a melting a pot - people came from all over the world to become Americans, to take part int he great expirement and pursue their dreams. They learned the language, the blended in (while, yes, keepign their own flavors, but typically this was within their home and/or community).

A melting pot is a BLENDING DEVICE....it takes distinct parts and combines them so that they are indistinguishable, and together, in a uniform blend, they are great than they were alone.

Today's falacy of "diversity" is no longer a melting pot...it's a pile of raw ingredients in a bowl, not blended, not mixed....tastes like shit, isn't what you want, doesn't work, wouldn't sell.

Further, immigration is lowering wages andlowering standard of living for all.

Further, particularly illegal immigration, is incredibly expensive, and is beginning to overburden our precious schools, and health care system....i.e. harming Americans.

Chaqa, there were people living and speaking Spanish in what is now the United States before, literally, any English-speaking permanent settlements. There were Spanish-speakers living in territory which later became the United States. We English-speakers came here second (well, much later than second, if you want to count Natives). I'm not sure why that, or anecdotes about people wanting to work the way they're used to doing (which, what? Like this is an immigration thing?), is a particularly compelling argument for the government infringing on a person's right to hire who they want, live with they want, and so on.

"a pile of raw ingredients in a bowl, not blended, not mixed" krellin doesn't eat salads.

It's factually incorrect to say that current immigrants are (for lack of a better term) Americanizing more slowly than immigrants in previous generations did, and it's factually incorrect to say that immigrants, even illegal immigrants, overall cost the United States more than they contribute - though I'm sure in some places that some services are facing an extra burden (e.g. maybe California public schools(?)), in other places the additional benefits are greater than that cost.

Here's the thing I am getting in this thread: Lots of people don't like immigrants. They don't have good factual or evidence-based reasons to dislike them, so they believe obviously incorrect or distorted things in order to justify their dislike. Or, like Chaqa above, they inflate issues of simple personal preference, like not having to listen to a recorded Spanish phone message, into significant problems.

Speaking of fallacies, the "fact" that illegal immigration is overburdening our schools and healthcare system is a complete lie. The truth is that illegal immigrants DON'T want to be in the system because...wait for it...they're illegal! Hospitals and schools need documentation that illegal immigrants simply don't have. Using these services also increases the chances that an illegal will get caught by immigration.

Krellin and Chaqa are just part of a long line of anti-immigrant fervor that has always been a xenophobic undercurrent of American society. They blame immigrants for any and all of society's ills to the point where the finger pointing gets ridiculous.