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italiathad88 (0 DX)
01 Jul 14 UTC
live game
Join my live game (5 min) "Derbyshire"Starts in forty minutes.
Or email me when you plan on playing live.
[email protected]
I will play live games to your specification as well.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
01 Jul 14 UTC
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Did anyone miss Putin33?
After a couple of days, and seeing him participate in a few heated arguments, I ask the population of webDip. Did you miss Putin33? I know I did. Whether for laughing at him and his ideology, glad of a champion of your ideology, someone to defend Russia, or someone else to call krellin names, who had SOME reason to be glad he is back?
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krellin (80 DX)
01 Jul 14 UTC
Hate on Soccer
http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2014/06/25/americas-favorite-national-pastime-hating-soccer-n1855817

Who loves Coulter! Gotta love this.
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denis (864 D)
01 Jul 14 UTC
Replacement for Germany LIVE GAME
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=144052 Germany left
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
27 Jun 14 UTC
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The Favorite Author Tournament: EDGAR ALLAN POE VS. J.R.R. TOLKIEN
Fighting out of the Red Corner, with works such as The Raven, Annabel Lee, The Fall of the House of Usher, Masque of the Red Death, The Purloined Letter and The Cask of Amontillado, America's first international literary superstar, EDGAR ALLAN POE! Fighting out of the Blue Corner, author of The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and the undisputed champion of the Fantasy genre, J.R.R. TOLKIEN! We began with 64 Authors...now, we crown WebDip's collective favorite!
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Troodonte (3379 D)
30 Jun 14 UTC
Semi-anonymous Gunboat
Hi guys,
I'm coming back and I'm willing to start a semi-anonymous Gunboat.
150 D to Join. WTA
Let me know if there is interest.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
30 Jun 14 UTC
gunboat games r us
Please join if you're hard enough ....

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Putin33 (111 D)
30 Jun 14 UTC
Did Cameron do this on purpose?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/28/cameron-eu-juncker-defeat-britain-exit

His foreign policy is a total shambles but maybe he did this on purpose to accelerate the Brexit. It takes great strategic planning to bungle something this badly.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
29 Jun 14 UTC
Could someone explain to me how to get the derivative of:
(3x^2+6x)/(2x^3+2)^5
So [(3x^2+6x)/(2x^3+2)^5]'=.....
I've missed quite some math classes lately and I need to know how to solve this type of thing (and other things but anyway) for a test tomorrow. I could probably figure it out myself eventually, but I just don't have the time and I have quite a bit more to go through.
Would someone be willing to show me the steps I should take?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Jun 14 UTC
Of Kurds and Caliphates
http://news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-calls-jordan-support-kurdish-autonomy-214846630.html The ISIS today declared itself to be an Islamic State...and we'll see how long that lasts, or where that goes...meanwhile, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyau called for support for the Jordanians (gee, I can't imagine why) and independence for Iraq's Kurds. Which is a more likely state to be recognized/come into being/"stick," a Kurdistan (if you will) or this ISIS caliphate? Thoughts?
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
27 Jun 14 UTC
Where the heck is Mad Marx
Mark has been gone for a while huh, anybody say why?
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lixu893 (0 DX)
30 Jun 14 UTC
Good article
Thank you for your blog.
http://www.centurycases.com/
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lixu893 (0 DX)
30 Jun 14 UTC
B.J. Upton powers Braves past Phillies 3-2
Gerald Laird had two hits with a double and RBI for the Braves, who won for the sixth time in seven games though ending their road trip 8-3. Atlanta avenged a three-game sweep by Philadelphia June 16-18 at Turner Field.
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ILN (100 D)
28 Jun 14 UTC
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Enraging....
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/#comments

Home of the brave my ass.
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ThatBuhlLarry (100 D)
29 Jun 14 UTC
For Advertising Games:
World Dip. -> One more player needed!!!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=143877
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
29 Jun 14 UTC
Question for the mods:
I note we have some newish stats, like reliability rating. Ilove the idea of this. Is there some way we can set up games with a minimum reliability rating threshhold for participants? That would be a really nice way to filter out the people who join live games and then immediately quit the moment the game does not work out for them.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
28 Jun 14 UTC
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One great reason to drive a Mercedes...
Roadside service for life... Just saved me a headache and a bill. Had a blowout, made a phone call, 30 minutes later, they are changing my tire and setting up an appointment for tomorrow morning to get the blown one replaced.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Jun 14 UTC
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SRG inspired by Chaqa's...
Simple rules. Each home SC (yours or opponents) gets one build. One build for every three non home SCs. So only 26 total units at most and everyone will want enemy home SCs more than the others. Interested?
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fulhamish (4134 D)
27 Jun 14 UTC
UK population growth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27972335
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jkk0001 (40 DX)
27 Jun 14 UTC
Longest Game?
Whats the longest game you guys have been in? I'm in a live gunboat right now thats in 1919...
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
12 Jun 14 UTC
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Mafia III.V: The Second Coming
Soon.
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Putin33 (111 D)
28 Jun 14 UTC
The results are invalid: My opponent is an android
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/27/frank-lucas_n_5537217.html

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Kallen (1157 D)
27 Jun 14 UTC
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What does FIFA 2014 have to do with the WebDip Mods?
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/world-cup-memes-2014-3.jpg


^this
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torra6 (130 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
Fast game
If anyone wants to play a fast game join here now! We will play fast. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=143845
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ERAUfan97 (549 D)
27 Jun 14 UTC
Ann Coulter
what a whack job http://www.eonline.com/news/554865/ann-coulter-slams-world-cup-fans-growing-interest-in-soccer-is-a-sign-of-the-nation-s-moral-decay
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ssorenn (0 DX)
27 Jun 14 UTC
who wants to game?
WTA,ANON,24 hour phases, and FULL PRESS

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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
27 Jun 14 UTC
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On nationalism and immigration
Seems legit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4
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Kallen (1157 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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Coastal Movement
Normally, when two units make a move to each other's territories, it causes a bounce (Rhur moves to Munich while Munich moves to Rhur). However, would coasts be treated as different territories for fleets? For example, could a fleet in Spain (nc) move to MAO while another fleet in MAO moved to Spain (sc)? Same with Bulgarian coasts and Constantinople. Thanks in advance!
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
25 May 14 UTC
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Elliot Rodger shoots a whole bunch of students.
Thank God they were all americans. 6 of them died. Hee hee. U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
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OutsideSmoker27 (204 D)
30 May 14 UTC
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"How seriously do we take climate change? How seriously do we take disarmament? How seriously do we take domestic poverty, as well as external poverty and violence? How seriously do we take international law? Do we use our clout with our allies to push them to behave more morally as well, or do we push them to be more favorable to US business interests? Do we take the will of the people seriously, or do we let our government get run by an oligarchy?"

Mixed in among this interesting list of (sometimes ostensible) goods is a point that is far more interesting than any question on this list: the fact that people from different parts of the ideological spectrum have some hilarious divergent views about the United States.

People on the left can't stand America because they think it's one of the few advanced countries that hasn't embraced pacification and moderation as a #1 goal and aim. There's certainly a substantial portion of the population that DOES make this a #1 goal, but there's likewise a substantial portion that appreciates ruggedness and hard edges in people. (For our Canadian friends: think stereotypical Alberta farmers; I know they're rare and embarrassing, but yes, they do exist and yes, they do live in your country. For people in the UK: think the DUP in Northern Ireland; yes, they're off in their own province and not running the show in London, but they're a useful analogy.) People on the left tend to blame these sorts of people for what ails America.

People on the (American) right can't stand America because it has embraced en masse the goal of pacification and mildness in place of the true #1 goal of people: self-reliance and self-sufficiency. They wish American culture wholeheartedly and full-throatedly embraced the rugged individual, and they think that at some point in the past, just such a society existed in the States. (Some of them also believe in a mythical era in which the government was quasi-anarchic and wish we could return to it.) They like rough edges and they think that compassion, especially state-sponsored compassion, has too much of a ring of softness to it. They tend to blame people who promote that sort of thing for all that ails America.

(I'll just mention in passing that people on the left also like to dump on the States for being an outsizedly religious country, while people on the right like to dump on it for being an outrageously godless one.)

These are caricatures, I admit, but I nevertheless find the disparity of perspectives on what is exactly the same country fascinating. I also find the disparity of viewpoints on the #1 appropriate goal(s) of society fascinating.

As for mapleleaf: Voltaire? Really?
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
30 May 14 UTC
I know it's been well covered in this forum but dontcha think in the 'Land of the Free' everyone over the age of 16 should be issued with a gun, then think how little violence there would be if everyone had a gun, the USA would be the safest country in the whole world.
Because when you actually measure your freedom by the ability and democratic right you have to legally own a firearm you are so fucked up most educated people have given up hope with you.
I apologize to decent-minded educated Americans who have to suffer these morons but if you truly believe it's a good idea to have a constitutional right to own and carry a firearm then you truly are a moron.
Grow up USA, change the constitution. It's a historical document (like the Bible) that needs to be given a 21st Century context.
Capitalist philosophy says 'change or die', I cannot think of a more fitting phrase for the firearms issue in the US.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
I would say many on the left do not in fact blame our farmers or rugged individualists or what have you so much as we blame the economic elites that have hijacked democracy.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
30 May 14 UTC
Things could be much worse or course, especially if you are a young girl, you could live in Niger
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27619295
Most of the things we discuss here have a wider context. In Niger families sell their daughters, sometimes as young as 9, to the highest bidder. There poor men having sex with kids is paedophilia, rich men having sex with kids is called 'courting'.
Some say money is the root of all evil ...... it does its best in Niger.
Is there anyone on this website who can share with me the fascination of having sex with a young child because the logic completely escapes me. What is it that makes some men or some cultures want to do this? Does anyone here get this?
OutsideSmoker27 (204 D)
30 May 14 UTC
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@Thucy
"the economic elites that have hijacked democracy."
Because there was a time when economic elites in fact DIDN'T have considerably more sway over political matters than the economic masses?? The fleeting Jacksonian period, perhaps? Or perhaps you're referring to that mythical time when everyone in America was in fact equal in terms of economic power, social standing, and political influence? Or maybe you just didn't mean "hijacked."

@Nigee
"I apologize to decent-minded educated Americans who have to suffer these morons but if you truly believe it's a good idea to have a constitutional right to own and carry a firearm then you truly are a moron."
Move here and join the fight, perhaps? I frankly don't understand the vitriol poured out against the 2nd amendment, unless perhaps as overcompensation for the excessively boisterous and vociferous defenders of it that we have in this country. I could certainly back the statement that there are morons who defend the 2nd amendment, but to declare that there are no defenders of the 2nd amendment who aren't morons says, I think, more about the one making the declaration than about any actual state of affairs.
Slyguy270 (527 D)
30 May 14 UTC
"What is it that makes some men or some cultures want to do this? Does anyone here get this?"

Let's not go down that path. We can all agree paedophilia is wrong without trying to put ourselves in that mindset...

I do believe Sigmund Freud was on to something when he said humans are essentially irrational creatures. Sure seems like it sometimes...
Slyguy270 (527 D)
30 May 14 UTC
Slow down, OutsideSmoker! I can only +1 so fast!
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
30 May 14 UTC
"but to declare that there are no defenders of the 2nd amendment who aren't morons"

@Outside - can you name any?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
@OutsideSmoker

Frankly, who gives a shit if the people were ever in control? They aren't and they should be - that's all you need to know.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
And so, if you want to know how I meant hijacked, I meant hijacked from our legitimate position.

Or do you openly admit that you reject democracy or at least do not pursue it, and instead embrace our oligarchy?

Sobering.
@Thucy
"And so, if you want to know how I meant hijacked, I meant hijacked from our legitimate position."
Gotcha.

"Or do you openly admit that you reject democracy or at least do not pursue it, and instead embrace our oligarchy?"
This is kind of a non sequitur, eh? I'm with Churchill on this (and not just because I mostly use that opening when I play England): democracy is the worst form of government except for all the rest. More than that, I accept oligarchy as fact, indeed as permanent fact. Wholesale equality just isn't in the cards -- ever. We can sometimes approach various kinds of equality that can be mostly widespread, and I'm all in favor of that, since it tends to be safer, but I think it's naive to believe that oligarchy can be done away with. It's pretty much a permanent part of the human condition.

But this is not to say that we should *embrace* oligarchy. I certainly don't. Or that we should treat democracy as some sort of unimportant or misguided goal. I certainly don't think it is. But what the people need, **most fundamentally**, is not control over political decision-making: what the people need are rights and freedoms -- freedom to speak, freedom to learn (especially to learn to read), freedom to write, freedom to work, freedom to worship. It *happens* that this is more likely to obtain when the political system is more democratic than when it is less so. But democracy is a good choice much more for *practical* reasons than for *moral* ones.

(I personally think the *ideal* form of government would be a benevolent dictatorship or a truly enlightened despotism, where political equality would be gone but civil-societal rights would still be maintained. But of course I would certainly never advocate for installing such a government, not one run by people anyway. The "benevolent" and "truly enlightened" parts are antithetical to sinful human nature and would disappear fast.)
^Add "freedom to grow in all ways" to that list up there.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
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"More than that, I accept oligarchy as fact, indeed as permanent fact."

Well, then that's what's wrong with you. I for one am not content to let the most greedy and cutthroat among us dictate the structure of our culture and society, and I daresay most people would agree with me on that count.

Your oversight is that you can have all your freedoms, but in an oligarchy, the way these freedoms are used is to control the masses, à la Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451.

Being "free" is worthless if you are pressured through non-violent means into squandering it on TV dinners and Netflix.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
^^ My thoughts exactly. I see no reason to accept oligarchy as a fact of life which cannot be mitigated. This idea smoker is presenting: that the freedoms we desire can somehow be achieved without control over our own government has never been realized. We are allowed only those rights and freedoms which we demand - end of story. Nobody is going to give us anything.

I do NOT accept that somebody else can make better decisions for me than I can.

I do NOT accept that any subset of humanity can make better decisions than who whole of humanity can.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
What blows my mind is that some right-wing people, and not all mind you, defend oligarchy and the constitution simultaneously. No reading of that document after the year, say, 1820, could be interpreted as anything but democratic.

Before you fucking say "republic not democracy" go fuck yourself, you know what I mean. Representative democracy.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
@YJ

OustideSmoker is falling victim to the naturalistic fallacy - it has always been this way, therefore we must accept that it must be this way. He falls short of embracing it totally and saying "this is the best of all possible worlds".. but he goes most of the way there.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
I also don't understand how smoker can, in the same paragraph, state that the best government would be an enlightened despotism and simultaneously acknowledge that the concept is just a pipe dream.

Dude, Jesus isn't gonna be king.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
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honestly, i didnt used to feel this way, but i think it's high time we trust the general public to self-govern. what passes for self-government today is actually the source of much of the misinformation and poor decision making, and not to mention the de facto disenfranchisement of regular people who are currently not represented even in our sham democracy
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
Really, there was a time when you thought the general public wasn't fit?

I mean, there are a lot of idiots and a lot of idealogues, but when you educate people and force them to talk things out, groups as a whole tend to come to reasonable solutions.

The only way to foster this is to get people to open their minds and not just watch what's on their news network of choice. How this could be realized is beyond me. The larger the group the more complacent its members tend to be.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
I don't know, I mean, I've been pretty alienated from what I perceived as the public solution a lot of times, for instance, the general public is xenophobic and would restrict immigration, no matter what the current legal regime is, in American history the public has always been in favor of less immigration.

I think what is missing is that we don't have a global democracy, we just have these petty kingdoms.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
Oh, sorry, you are talking about true democracy, where every issue is settled by its own individual universal vote? Yeah, I don't think that's really a great idea. Maybe it is. Representative systems have their advantages I think. I'm open to it though.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
no, that's not what i mean. I don't think direct democracy works. But the representatives in a representative democracy should be accountable to what people actually want. If they aren't, as is the case today, they just go into the pocket of lobbyists - i.e. the economic elite.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
Ahh yeah but its a convolved problem, and I only know how to offer "broad stroke" solutions like, "educate yourself!" and "Get involved!"
OutsideSmoker27 (204 D)
30 May 14 UTC
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"OustideSmoker is falling victim to the naturalistic fallacy - it has always been this way, therefore we must accept that it must be this way." (Thucy)
"This idea smoker is presenting: that the freedoms we desire can somehow be achieved without control over our own government has never been realized. We are allowed only those rights and freedoms which we demand - end of story. Nobody is going to give us anything." (Yellowjacket)
Note to self: never assume that people will actually read what you wrote. Did nobody notice the whole "[rights and freedoms are] more likely to obtain when the political system is more democratic than when it is less so" or maybe read about that "the 'benevolent' and 'truly enlightened' parts [of dictatorship] are antithetical to sinful human nature and would disappear fast" or perhaps "democracy is a good choice" or maybe "democracy is the worst form of government EXCEPT FOR ALL THE REST"???? I fail to see how, by realistically acknowledging the permanence of (some degree of) oligarchy, I thereby find its permanence to be normative. You HAVE to read that into what I wrote.

I will say (and this will be the only thing some people read and will ignore everything, but so be it) that democracy is not inherently better as a system of government than anything else. It's a means to achieve an end, and it's *only* valuable because it's the best means available to achieve that end -- i.e. the preservation of people's rights and freedoms. The problem with oligarchy and monarchy isn't the system itself, it's the fact that people have to run it and will always--without exception--screw it up horribly. They're potentially great in theory, but they can never be expected to produce the desired result, nor would I ever want to live in one. This is, I think everyone would agree, a sufficient reason to avoid them. But I will say again: the problem lies in the nature of human beings, not in the nature of the system of government.

"Dude, Jesus isn't gonna be king."
Well, actually He is (and since He doesn't have the same sin problems the rest of us have, this is precisely why it's the ideal government), but we don't see Him in that position now (cf. Hebrews 2:8-9), and until that changes we have to deal with putting normal humans in power (which is precisely why it's a pipe dream for now).
I see now that I'm at least 6 posts behind the times........
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
I read what you wrote. But if you are a fatalist about oligarchy and assume no effort to dislodge or dismantle it will be successful, you are part of the problem. It is you yourself who allow it to perpetuate itself. Whether you defend it in principle or not, you defend it in practice.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
Thank you, smoker, for you eloquent summation of why religion maintains is rightful lock on the title "opiate of the masses."

We should just have a despotic theocracy until Jesus comes back - that's as enlightened as it gets until the man makes it back, right? I mean trust me people, he's TOTALLY coming... any day now...
Slyguy270 (527 D)
30 May 14 UTC
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An actual Christian Theocracy would be the ideal form of government IMO, but I'd never advocate for it because humans could never make it work. It would end up getting screwed up somehow by greedy people who would twist Christian theology to fit their own agendas.

That's my problem whenever I start to consider which type of government is best. I think any form of human society will always be horribly flawed unless their citizens are largely moral individuals. Since most people are incredibly selfish and will only be moral when it benefits them to do so, I don't think a utopian society will ever be possible unless a higher authority is present. Who else would be more qualified to lead than God himself anyway?
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
P.S. and by "moral" he means "Christian."

Haven't I already given you a logical bitchslap for your idiotic claiming of the superiority of Christian morals? Don't bring your failure of an argument back here as if you didn't get owned last time.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 14 UTC
God already leads us. Welcome to Earth.

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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Jun 14 UTC
The Favorite Author Tournament: THE FINAL FOUR!
OK, sorry for the delay...and the continued delay--we'll start Midnight tonight. ORWELL! DICKENS! POE! TOLKIEN! Who will advance?

And a bonus question, just for schnicks and giggles--what's the first book you read after high school (or, if it was a while ago, the earliest book you can remember reading after high school?) Just curious to see what we get.
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