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ghug (5068 D(B))
06 Mar 13 UTC
Fog On The Barrow Downs EoG
gameID=107743

Thanks for setting it up Tom, and well played all of you (except Dharm, I guess). I'll write something up later.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
04 Mar 13 UTC
Rules of life?
Does anyone has some sort of rules they live by, like the Ten Commandments? Semper Fidelis? Carpe Diem? Anything you live by?

An important one for me would be: Sometimes you're wrong.
I'm thinking of making a list for myself so I know what I want if it ever gets to a rash decision of big importance or something...
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Octavious (2701 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
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Tis true, Steephie. When you look at the world and what it's become we have Timur and his generation to thank for it.
SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
05 Mar 13 UTC
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- Moderation in all things, including moderation.
- Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
- Humans hardly ever learn from the experience of others. They learn - when they do, which isn't often - on their own, the hard way.
- You can go wrong by being too sceptical as readily as by being too trusting.
- Always cut the cards.
- You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
- Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again.

-- Robert A. Heinlein.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
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Carpe Diem is overrated, by the way.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
it is
FlemGem (1297 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
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The challenge that Timur's generation ran into was that they were rebelling against the rules. That's just the flip side of the coin of being a rule-following generation. Whether you're following rules or rebelling against them, your life is still all about the rules.

That said, here are FlemGem's Gems of Wisdom That Are Not Rules (ha ha):
- Find your identity in something outside the world of rules.
- You don't have to do anything you want to.
- You can't have intimacy without commitment.
- Love recklessly. It's the only way to love.
- You'll get hurt in life, but don't let fear of pain hold you back. Pain sucks, but it's also a universal language that opens doors of understanding that otherwise would always stay locked.
- Holding a grudge is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.
- Your Ghost Rating is not an accurate measure of your value as a person.
Timur (673 D(B))
05 Mar 13 UTC
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"Holding a grudge is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die."
Thank you, FG. Will keep that one with me.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
05 Mar 13 UTC
Put some clean knickers on and shave your legs in case you get run over
Octavious (2701 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
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I always had you down as more of a waxer...
Octavious (2701 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
Don't gloat over the death of politicians, no matter how deeply you disagree with them.

RIP Hugo Chavez
semck83 (229 D(B))
05 Mar 13 UTC
"Never ascribe to an opponent motives meaner than your own."

J. M. Barrie
Thucydides (864 D(B))
06 Mar 13 UTC
@Timur

Yes it's a Socrates quote. And I agree with him. Less is more when it comes to possessions.
+1 FlemGem & StA. The poison quote is beautiful.

- Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
(I think the original said ignorance, but I like stupidity better)
Octavious (2701 D)
06 Mar 13 UTC
@ Thucy

Often true and yet, as one finds when one possesses a car with a flat tyre and the replacement is one of those crappy thin tyre things, less is even more often less.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Mar 13 UTC
@Thucy - Socrates never owned a fine sports car, luxury sedan, serious off-roading SUV, or even a house. I wouldn't put too much stock in his views on posessions.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Mar 13 UTC
I think posession doesn't hurt, but not being happy with what you have does...
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Mar 13 UTC
When I had a Jeep, I was perfectly happy with the Jeep. When I had a small condo, I was perfectly happy with the small combo. The problem is when you become complacent in your happiness. One can be happy, but desire to work to get more. But if one becomes content and no longer desires more, then one stops trying to better oneself.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Mar 13 UTC
condo not combo. Wow, odd autocorrect.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Mar 13 UTC
Yeah, I agree being ambitious is good (that's what you're saying right?) but still, I don't think it matters that much as long as you're happy with it...
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Mar 13 UTC
"Greed is good." - Gordon Gekko
FlemGem (1297 D)
06 Mar 13 UTC
@ Draug - I used to be happy with the small combo, but now I Biggie Size everything.
shaker (65 D)
06 Mar 13 UTC
YOLO
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Mar 13 UTC
LALD
Thucydides (864 D(B))
07 Mar 13 UTC
The example falls flat Octavious because you wouldn't have needed all that stuff if you hadn't had a car to begin with.

I can understand your fear of complacency, but we should strive always to feel contentedness toward possessions unless our physical needs are unmet. The drive to do more and be better should be directed toward ethics and relationships, not toward the amassment of goods.

Or that's my life-rule anyway. I am a hypocrite like every other human ever to live, and have been known to covet useless things like a mp3 adapter for my car.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
07 Mar 13 UTC
Oh and by the way, psychological inquiry backs me up - the use of resources to buy permanent possessions brings no lasting happiness, precisely because humans naturally get accustomed to their circumstances.

What does bring lasting happiness in terms of bang for your buck is the purchase of items to preserve your quality of life (like healthcare) or the quality of your experiences and relationships (like buying someone a drink or going on a road trip).

Many people think of these as a waste since they are not a permanent possession, but the reverse is actually true. Often we are driven to purchase the permanent or public items however because of an innate drive to conspicuous consumption. Our instinct is to seek prestige even if our wish is to seek happiness. Prestige incidentally does not bring happiness but people go their whole lives thinking it will.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Mar 13 UTC
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Quoting myself from another thread, figured it fits here:

"Just because I turn dreams into plans doesn't mean I'm not dreaming"
Octavious (2701 D)
07 Mar 13 UTC
@ Thucy

The trouble with that sort of psychological inquiry is that it's bollocks. Consider a cheap,small, grey terraced house in the rough parts of the city with poor sound insulation and drafty windows. Consider an expensive house near the sea in a small village with a couple of good pubs. The possesion of the more expensive house will give you huge benefits every single day. All else being equal it will very much bring lasting happiness.

Also, consider the possession of a reliable car with having to use an unreliable bus service. Or good shoes compared to cheap shoes that never fit quite the way they should. Or a wide variety of fresh food compared to whatever happens to be on offer in the supermarket.

You have no appreciation of this very basic concept because you are, have always been, and always will be a posh boy.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
Environment is important, yes. I don't mean to suggest I'm a Buddhist. Living near an irregular source of noise for instance (like a traffic light) will increase long term stress. You never get used to it.

Some things are worth buying because they are higher quality, but the list is simply a lot shorter than we tell ourselves. Crappy $5 cotton t-shirts may not be as glamorous as a fitted high thread-count $30 one, but they last just about as long and get the job done. Same with toilet paper. You don't *really* need that fancy 3-ply shit or whatever lol.

Fresh food has to do with health. As does the environment. But those are limited things. People spend a lot of money on a lot of other things that they don't need.

Haha I'm a posh boy now? Okay. Thanks for telling me.

My parents were well-off when I was little but I don't have shit now. Which is fine. I don't want their lifestyle nor do I want the lifestyle I had growing up.

I really thought that it was common sense that possessions only weigh you down, and that money can't really buy happiness. I guess not for you it isn't.

Anyway I looked at OP again and realized he was going a bit more for latin slogans. My Latin slogan: FLVTVAT NEC MERGITVR
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
Also I like how you just dismiss piles of scientific studies and psychology. That shit isn't really in dispute.

It's also not exactly controversial... those studies are conducted with the intent of helping people to be happier. You kind of sound like an asshole.

Here is an excerpt from an excellent primer on the subject of positive psychology, "The Happiness Hypothesis" by Jonathan Haidt

"MISGUIDED PURSUITS

An axiom of economics is that people pursue their interests more or less rationally, and that’s what makes markets work – Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” of self-interest. But in the 1980s, a few economists began studying psychology and messing up the prevailing models. Leading the way was the Cornell economist Robert Frank, whose 1987 book “Passions Within Reason” analyzed some of the things people do that just don’t fit into economics models of pure self-interest – such as tipping in restaurants far from home, seeking costly revenge, and staying loyal to friends and spouses when better opportunities come along. Frank argued that these behaviors make sense only as products moral emotions (such as love, shame, vengeance, or guilt), and these moral emotions make sense only as products of evolution. Evolution seems to have made us “strategically irrational” at times for our own good; for example, a person who gets angry when cheated, and who will pursue vengeance regardless of the cost, earns a reputation that discourages would-be cheaters. A person who pursued vengeance only when the benefits outweighed the costs could be cheated with impunity in many situations.

In his more recent book “Luxury Fever,” Frank used the same approach to understand another kind of irrationality: the vigor with which people pursue many goals that work against their own happiness. Frank begins with the question of why, as nations rise in wealth, their citizens become no happier, and he considers the possibility that once basic needs are met, money simply cannot buy additional happiness. After a careful review of the evidence, however, Frank concludes that those who think money can’t buy happiness just don’t know where to shop. Some purchases are much less subject to the adaptation principle. Frank wants to know why people are so devoted to spending money on luxuries and other goods, to which they adapt completely, rather than on things that would make them lastingly happier. For example, people would be happier and healthier if they took more time off and “spent” it with their family and friends, yet America has long been heading in the opposite direction. People would be happier if they reduced their commuting time, even if it meant living in smaller houses, yet American trends are toward ever larger houses and ever longer commutes. People would be happier and healthier if they took longer vacations even if that meant earning less, yet vacation times are shrinking in the United States, and in Europe as well. People would be happier, and in the long run wealthier, if they bought basic, functional appliances, automobiles, and wristwatches, and invested the money they saved for future consumption; yet, Americans in particular spend almost everything they have – and sometimes more – on goods for present consumption, often paying a large premium for designer names and superfluous features.

Frank’s explanation is simple: Conspicuous and inconspicuous consumption follow different psychological rules. Conspicuous consumption refers to things that are visible to others and that are taken as markers of a person’s relative success. These goods are subject to a kind of arms race, where their value comes not so much from their objective properties as from the statement they make about the owner. When everyone wore Timex watches, the first person in the office to buy a Rolex stood out. When everyone moved up to Rolex, it took a $20,000 Patek Philip to achieve high status, and a Rolex no longer gave as much satisfaction. Conspicuous consumption is a zero-sum game: Each person’s move up devalues the possessions of others. Furthermore, it’s difficult to persuade an entire group or subculture to ratchet down, even though everyone would be better off, on average, if they all went back to simple watches. Inconspicuous consumption, on the other hand, refers to goods and activities that are valued for themselves, that are usually consumed more privately, and that are not bought for the purpose of achieving status. Because Americans, at least, gain no prestige from taking the longest vacations or having the shortest commutes, these inconspicuous consumables are not subject to an arms race.

Just try this thought experiment. Which job would you rather have: one in which you earned $90,000 a year and your coworkers earned on average $70,000, or one in which you earned $100,000 but your coworkers earned on average $150,000? Many people choose the first job, thereby revealing that relative position is worth at least $10,000 to them. Now try this one: Would you rather work for a company that gave you two weeks of vacation a year, but other employees were given, on average, only one; or would you prefer a company that gave you four weeks of vacation a year, but other employees were given, on average, six? The great majority of people choose the longer absolute time. Time off is inconspicuous consumption, although people can easily turn a vacation into conspicuous consumption by spending vast amounts of money to impress others instead of using the time to rejuvenate themselves.

Frank’s conclusions are bolstered by recent research on the benefits of “doing versus having.” The psychologists Leaf van Boven and Tom Gilovich asked people to think back to a time when they spent more than a hundred dollars with the intention of increasing their happiness and enjoyment. One group of subjects was asked to pick an experience or activity they had paid for. After describing their purchases, subjects were asked to fill out a questionnaire. Those who described buying an experience (such as a ski trip, a concert, or a great meal) were happier when thinking about their purchase, and thought that their money was better spent, than those who described buying a material object (such as clothing, jewelry, or electronics). After conducting several variations of this experiment with similar findings each time, Van Boven and Gilovich concluded that experiences give more happiness in part because they have greater social value: Most activities that cost more than a hundred dollars are things we do with *with* other people, but expensive material possessions are often purchased in part to *impress* other people. Activities connect us to others; objects separate us."
Ah, and it was such a nice thread.

'Gentlemen, please. You can't fight here, this is the War Room!'

krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
We've got a mine shaft gap!

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EmperorMaximus (551 D)
05 Mar 13 UTC
Game. Join. Play. Win.
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2 Day Phase
WTA
147 Bet
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ghug (5068 D(B))
08 Mar 13 UTC
THREAD THREADING THREAD
This thread was designed for the purpose of threading threads. Please use this thread to thread threads, preferably with thread.

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
The Earth-Worship Religion of
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/the_religion_of_global_warming.html
* "Man-made global warming is an earth-worshiping religion....to be accepted on faith, as opposed to hard evidence. "
Discuss NOT global warming, but the "religious" aspects of the belief:
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
06 Mar 13 UTC
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Rand Paul fillibustering Brennon
Rand Paul, angry at the Administration using Drone strikes to kill American citizens, has began a bi-partisan filibuster against Nominee Brennon. He is supported by Democrat Ron Wyden, as well as Rubio, Cornyn, Lee, and a few others.
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blankflag (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
did obama really set a trial for osamas son in law in the states
how did this happen? this is the only reasonable thing i think his administration has done in recent memory. will this be a public hearing? everything i am sure will be classified - they cant let people know the truth about any of this al qaeda stuff. but just bringing him into the country is something. did this guy have absolutely no knowledge of the organization? how could obama do this?
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Mar 13 UTC
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Point Tax
It seems to me there is a great disparity in the number of pints people have, with some having earned thousands, and other often stuck below 100. It is time to implement a Point Tax, perhaps monthly, to supplement to lower-tiered players who can not/will not earn and save points. Who's in???
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
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North Korea threatens with nuclear war!
I have never been so not-scared in my life! :D
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blankflag (0 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
absurd amounts of sugar in a venti
so new york will make it illegal to put more than 3 teaspoons of sugar in a venti. so you sugar addicted assholes have to start carrying around packets of sugar. but i guess this probably doesnt apply to self-serve sugar - so maybe starbucks is still ok.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
08 Mar 13 UTC
A game of mine was drawn less than five minutes ago
Says it finished at 6pm on Saturday. That's odd.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Mar 13 UTC
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Absurd Amount so fSugar in Cottom Candy!
I'm appalled to discover that not only were Cottom Candy hawkers selling me 100% spun sugar at the opera I attended in New York, but stores <gasp!!!> actually sell home-cotton candy makers!! The travesty...Federal Legislation *must* ensue...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
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JMO INDIFFERENCE THREAD
This thread is to express a heaping amount of "Eh..." about the player known as jmo. Please use this thread to shrug your shoulders and sigh awkwardly at the mention of his name.
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Napoleon1 (100 D)
08 Mar 13 UTC
HELP ABBY STUDY FOR LATIN!
Anyone? :P
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
08 Mar 13 UTC
Korean War II
North Korea shattered the peace pacts! Looks like Kim Jong Il is not only eating himself into a heart attack but smoking himself into a coma. Good luck, North Korea! The world will remember you as the horrendous crapshoot you were.
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dubmdell (556 D)
24 Feb 13 UTC
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A Promise for Greece
The Today's Homeric Reading thread includes this hymn today that has an amazing promise for Greece. (This is an occasional special posting so if your mind is completely closed to the bard's corpus, just mute this thread.)
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
18 Feb 13 UTC
EOG: Around the World GB Tourney Game 5
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dubmdell (556 D)
04 Mar 13 UTC
EOG: Around the World Map Gunboart Tournament Game 11
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
07 Mar 13 UTC
JMO COMPLAINT THREAD
This thread is to complain about the player known as jmo. Please use this thread to slander his name.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
08 Mar 13 UTC
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JMO PRAISE THREAD
This thread is to praise the player known as jmo. Please use this thread to sanctify his name.
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
07 Mar 13 UTC
Advice to a new online player
Hey--

Although I'm no stranger to board games, or negotiating games (there's a Game of Thrones boardgame that--at least when I play it--includes a Diplomacy-style negotiating phase) I am new to Diplomacy. Needless to say, I'm new to this site as well. As a 30-something high-school history teacher familiar with strategy/negotiation, what is the best advice a long-time player can offer me?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Mar 13 UTC
According to a Recent Poll...
The huge majority of Americans oppose being killed by a drone strike.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Mar 13 UTC
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Coolest Place on Earth
Post the coolest, prettiest, most beautiful - whatever your preference - place you've ever been. Attach a picture and browse a bit..
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SYnapse (0 DX)
04 Mar 13 UTC
WWII Variant
My variant is almost ready for release for vdip.
http://lab.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=87
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Mar 13 UTC
This is what happens when you cross Catholicism with Poverty
Best and worst 15 minutes of my life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
07 Mar 13 UTC
COMMON SAYING??
Is ignoring behaviour the same as condoning behaviour?
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jiaflu (443 D)
07 Mar 13 UTC
Allan Calhamer Dies at 81; Invented Diplomacy Game
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/us/allan-calhamer-inventor-diplomacy-board-game-dies-at-81.html?pagewanted=all&hpw&_r=0
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JackBot (0 DX)
01 Mar 13 UTC
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Can't leave game
Hi,

This and 11 other accounts I control were created to fill slots in a large game with some friends. We wanted to play the 17 player map with less than 17 people (we are aware of balance issues with this), and our schedules are varied which disallows us from having shorter turns.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
06 Mar 13 UTC
Post your muted list
Because having a muted list is like peace on earth
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VirtualBob (209 D)
06 Mar 13 UTC
Contacting a Mod
What is the protocol for contacting a mod?
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