The impact of one observer is the same as an infinite amount of observers.

Right. There is really only one number. Call it one or call it infinity; they are the same. And now you know why one is no small number.

Love to talk more about this in a week when I'm home. Later

Wait! Are you a pure solipsist or not? We can actually just settle this right now without having to hear your talk.

Solipsism and materialism are two sides of the same coin; I am both and neither. Fatalism and non-determinism, too, are functionally the same position. Same for subjective and objective. Only the merging of both sides shows the truth, each alone is couched in dogma.

OK, cool, it's just words.

*shakes head* Wow.

"Only the merging of both sides shows the truth, each alone is couched in dogma."

#fuckthucy

Pretty much every day on the train I see someone who, because of this whole "beard" fad, looks like Charles Manson. Do they look like that way because they know they look like Charles Manson, or do they look that way because they *don't* know they look like Charles Manson?

Thucydides, why do you talk that way?

I encourage you to actually engage with me one day rather than playing. I don't mind waiting, and I can play the long game if that's what you've decided to play. I assure you what you see me posting isn't off the cuff nonsense, but has a compelling truth behind it. It can be hard to get at, though, thanks to words being poor mock-ups of reality. But if I can get halfway to understanding these amazing things, you can too. You may one day be glad you tried.

Meantime, mock away. It's good to laugh.

@Thucy,

"There is really only one number. Call it one or call it infinity; they are the same. And now you know why one is no small number. "

I hope you enjoyed the $800,000.59 that I sent your orange picking charity!

"But in short right now, it is our consciousness of screaming animals that makes their screaming bloodcurdling, even as our own consciousness of our own suffering is what makes it a harm. The universe with no observer doesn't exist. An observer with no universe doesn't exist. The two depend inexorable on each other to have any meaning. It is precisely because of consciousness that it is not just rocks. No rock is just a rock as long as I or other beings live."

It's anthropocentric bullshit like this that makes me hate humans sometimes.

Hate destroys the vessel that contains it ..... you are literally killing yourself.

Consciousness is irrelevant to 'existence'. Consciousness is just something that deludes us into thinking everything is about us. Living beings are not rocks.

Perception is projection -
"Consciousness is just something that deludes us into thinking everything is about us"
I see the way you think through your own words.....
.......change 'us' to me and it makes your window on the world a little clearer.

You post to read your own writing, thinking yourself very witty. You muted Obi but you're very similar, you both just engage in monologues.

Cue cutesy response from Nigee, maybe even with wordplay.

You bore me.

:-) ...... It's not always just about you Putin, I bore a lot of people.
You are part of this me, me, me culture that pervades our society today.

Yeah, well, I'm disappointed I didn't get one of your unreadable pun-filled stream of consciousness blocks of text. Maybe next time you can provide me with the attention I require.

I can do that for you if you up your level of lunacy way beyond it's current level, I try and reserve a large proportion of my bile for fascists, liars, right-wing extremists and cretins. To really break successfully into any of those categories I feel you will have to have a sea change in your general attitude.

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said.

It's quite the opposite of anthropocentrism, Putin. Existence entails significance. From my inescapable perspective, the center of the universe is between my skull, as for you, and the astrophysicists tell us we are both right.

@semck:

I'm surprised to find a *mono*theist disagreeing with the quote of mine you posted.

I'm not sure why, Thucy. Monotheists don't have any trouble distinguishing one from two.

@Thucydides:

"Put briefly and finally since I have to go again for awhile"

Your practically plagiarizing Jesus now.

If there is only one God, then one is the only real number, the rest are fractions. If God is all encompassing, this number is also infinity.

@tendmote: I'm not sure what you mean, but one could do far worse than plagiarizing Jesus

"If there is only one God, then one is the only real number, the rest are fractions"

Um, no.

Dude, can you just start one thread for this stuff? You're putting it everywhere.

If I am, it's only because it goes everywhere. The "it" being everything itself.

Care to explain how, under monotheism, anything could be meaningfully differentiated, if they all have the one god in common?

All division among objects is arbitrary and undefined. If everything shares one cause, then there is only one effect.

What drug(s) are you on? Can I have some?