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If you ever need the link again, just remember to check Geofram's profile, that's what I did :)

lol

@ YJ: "To the left!"

Not to turn this thread into a genuine debate, but just for the record, Obama is NOT left wing. He's right wing, just nowhere near as right wing as Romney.

Almost all US Presidential elections are a contest between moderate right wing and extreme right wing.

Two parties
probably war
definitely war

Jamiet, as has been pointed out in other threads, that's a tedious point that depends on the context. In the US Obama is left wing, just as in Canada, the 48th parallel is south. It is reasonable to use US nomenclature in a discussion of US politics. It is not as though "left" and "right" have objective meanings independent of some milieu anyway.

what semck said.

But it's also a useful reminder of far out our politics really are to emphasize Mr. Obama's actual alignment as opposed to referring to him as some sort of leftist.

*shrug* I dunno I'm an American. He seems appropriately liberal to me in that context. I mean it's all like a slider, right? If you're on the outside in a country where your parties are situated left of both of ours, then you can say that. Hilter would say both American parties are leftists.

It's all relative. There is no absolute center from which we can refer from.

I thought Jill Stein was left wing. If Obama is the left she is Bernardine Dohrn

But you are gay AND a dirty foreigner Sic, so your opinion is obviously skewed.

Oh by the way *sarcasm flag on* (sometimes it gets lost in text)

Wait -- you only turned your sarcasm flag on AFTER that awful post about Sicarious? You intolerant cretin, YJ!

Aww man and here I thought I had found carte blanche to say whateverthefuck I wanted.

YJ I'm from ohio. gay is boring try rainbow pissing gender fucking pan queer superhero. I will throw glitter in your eyes!

semck, I would take the political relativism at least somewhat seriously if it wasn't used to defend a party, whose main line on foreign policy is spreading American values across the whole world and on the domestic front, its social values are shoved on the citizens instead of giving them the freedom to behave as they wish. I.e., a party that is anything but relativist.

I wonder why the pinko communist America hating Democrats never backed any foreign socialist governments during the Cold War. Guess the leftists hate each other's guts more than they hate the US.

dang uly... I don't think anybody's trying to downplay the right-shift of american politics. I just think we're saying when we say "left," this is what we mean. And no dirty foreigner is gonna tell us we're wrong :P

What does "right wing" and "left wing" even mean any more?

*sigh*

Its mostly just an absurd and abstract categorization to put broad political opinion into neat boxes fit for soundbytes. But in this country what I imagine most people think of the right as valuing tradition, nationalistic, pro-military, religious, pro life,. anti union, etc. and the left as more equality driven, anti war, environmentally conscious, for government assitance, I'm painting with real broad strokes here, and there are lots of exceptions but thats kindof the point isnt it? Breaking down over 300 million people into two groups? Laughable.

ulytau, yeah -- I wasn't defending any concept or anybody, much less political relativism or the Republican party. I was just defending the use of certain terms in conversation. It happens they're very reasonable ones in the context in which they were used.

Haha Sic, I would like to see rainbow pissing indeed.

somebody bust out zultars list i havent seen it in awhile

I'm sorry you don't understand, but given our past interactions, I suspect you don't actually care and are just looking to waste my time. This conversation is considered resolved.

Hi, my name is Vdip>Webdip. I am currently writing a symphony about the Congo, but my true hobby is to post threads that are self-referencing and for live games, go live live games go. My parents, TC and HC, do not approve of who I am because I try to change the world for the better and because I am liberal and educated (hence my 4.5 GPA and my symphony), but they love it when I drink unpretentious wine especially after I DDoS a new player on the site, who's bullshoi is he new. My friends and I like to get together on Fridays and have an org... organizational meet to play pacifist gunboat and to discuss the new pictures that PE has posted of us... taking shots while making threads about other threads including this one. Inevitably, one of us always gets so drunk that he would NMR or CD and post a cheating accusation about how gunboat is not real diplomacy.
If you have not realized it yet, I have been taking shots continuously due to my peak ghost-rating, and so if this does not make sense, feel free to create a google circle and throw epithets around.

I wish TC was here so I could see him cry.

I tried to bet him back in late 2010 that if Obama won he had to shut up for a whole month. He muted me rather than taking the bet.

one of the few things that keeps me coming back to this site is its longevity. "back in 2010" is a great thing to be able to say as a small internet community.

i mean like... the fucking pitirre awards of 2007? unforgettable

ayyyyyyy look what i just found! a thread of me predicting the PM feature in january 2008!

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=261229#261229