but there are a lot of defaults in games on Oli's site ... I love vdip too, and am there often, but also there is not much talk or "diploming" in a lot of games, which is unfortunate
As for the forums here, when I first joined I just wanted to play diplomacy, period, nothing else. I am 43 and played for many years face to face. I was put off for a week or two by a couple of things in the forum. However, I "learned to love the bomb" and now chuckle regularly at the discourse here, learn a thing or two and agree with Hellalt that it is mainly sarcastic fun, which is good by me
As for playing, I agree that being able to see who has made moves or not is a big difference from a face to face game, but hey, I have gotten used to it