@Putin33 It's not that something you believe is controversial, it's that *everything* you believe is controversial, and set in stone.

Stop playing the man instead of the ball, tendmote. If you are interested in improving the tonality of discourse here, you're not helping. You don't know everything I believe.

The story linking the Soviets to the Polish POWs reads the same way if not more so, TMOW.

@Putin33 Yes, I'm resorting to ad-hominem, but, I can't think of an opinion you've expressed that isn't shocking. The man in this case matters because you've got far, far more endurance than I (or most people) do when it comes to not giving any ground, and continuing the attack. Not sure that anyone learns anything though. If I had to bet, I would bet you will not definitively lose this argument. Have fun!

I didn't initiate this "attack". Not sure you're interested in learning anything. You seem much more interested in ensuring everyone adheres to your interpretation of what constitutes acceptable opinions.

"Stop playing the man instead of the ball, tendmote. If you are interested in improving the tonality of discourse here, you're not helping. You don't know everything I believe."

Take whatever the conventional view on something is, invert it...poof. Your opinion, Putin...

On everything from art (your stance on Shakespeare, on Orwell, arguing the Crickets are vastly superior/more important than the Beatles, etc.) to your politics (just to get my "cleanse" again, to use your term, you advocate/like Stalin, Putin, the Kim Dynasty in North Korea, Assad, internationally-recognized terrorist groups...I like Israel, but that's ONE controversial power, you love a bunch and blast nations that others here would like to boot) and so on and so on.

I could say the sky is blue, and you'd explain it's all a Western capitalist ploy, and that it's really red.

You're not exactly hard to peg, Putin. Neither am I, but at least I'm open about it.

Quit pretending you're a mystery...you're the Leftist krellin of the site.

(And you improve the tonality of discourse so much...why, every thread you comment on, the tone is just so light and happy and doesn't ever devolve into you smugly taking the opposite stance on everything...again, pot calling the kettle black, but at least this pot knows he's...erm, well, very, very pale, actually, but the metaphor stands.)

"Politics is unfair. Nazi Germany had the leverage. The Jews should have accepted the deal the Nazis were offering them."

1. If the Israelis start throwing Palestinians into ovens and gas chambers, I'll join you against them, Jamiet.

2. The Jews never threatened to "exterminate every German to the last one" either, Jamiet...nor did they not only commit terrorist actions, but openly declare that every German was a target, and that it was God's will to kill all Germans...

See, that kind of language...that it's part of a higher plan to kill a set group...

See, that KIND of sounds like Hamas saying Allah wants the world to exterminate the Jews...kinda why I don't sympathize with them, shockingly enough...

Oh, and another thing? Nazi Germany? Never offered the Jews a STATE.

It's one thing to take a bad deal when that deal is less land than you've wanted for 67 years of a losing war, it's another when the deal is "Get in the gas chamber or I shoot you in the head."

Any Israeli making THAT deal to the Gazans should be shot in the head themselves.

"Politics is unfair. Nazi Germany had the leverage. The Jews should have accepted the deal the Nazis were offering them."

What an absolute piece of shit

"So quite frankly I'm a bit fed up with people simultaneously bemoaning the horrors of the Hitlerite regime while condemning their opponents."

Aaaaaaaannnddd you don't see the SLIGHTEST bit of irony in your condemning opponents in a self-righteous fashion, Putin?

Oh. Right. Of course not.

Here's a little trivia there were 4 leaders if ww2 that were handicapped

In ww2 sorry.

"What an absolute piece of shit"

To be fair, in context, Santa, that's Jamiet trying to use my argument--that after 67 years of fighting a losing war (one they could've avoided if they'd just gone with the 1947 partition plan)--the Palestinians aren't in the position to negotiate for a much better land deal, and that while Israeli offers are markedly skewered in Israel's favor, they have the leverage, Palestinians (not having such a huge economy or army) will never have that leverage, and so fair or no, some land is better than no land and constant wars and deaths.

As I say above...if the "deal" was "Get into the oven or we'll shoot," then I'd condemn the Israelis as well.

Did this discussion just proved, yet again, Godwin's Law? And it's only the 3rd page...

THELEGION: really? beside FDR, who were the other 3?

hitler had only one ball

Joseph stahlin hitler and believe it or not churchill was considered handicapped

or so the story goes

Hitler had a bad arm he also of course had one ball and he had bad eye sight because of the crack eye drops his doctor made for his arm.Stahlin had his hand crushed by his father tractor as a kid and churchill had a speech impediment and a lisp so technically he was handicapped.

So that dough-head Mussolini was the only non-handicapped one? Hard to believe.

Of course, a sligth speech impediment isn't exactly a handicap. It didn't stop him from making those speeches.

That and didn't he get in a car wreck too? I remember at a point he did walk with a cane but I'm not sure if it was before or after.

That's correct. I always assumed it was due to his age and aching joints or something.
Anyone know anything about this?

No no no the reason why mussolini was so bad was because he was trying to recovering from his hang over when they conquered albania and etheopia he wasn't handicapping he just needed to go to a AA meeting.

Mussolini needed a lot of things. Man, he gave dictators a bad name...

Well I said I wasn't sure for the car wreck I just remembered he was in one and I remembered he had a cane at a point.

H.h LOL

" Did this discussion just proved, yet again, Godwin's Law? And it's only the 3rd page..."

I'm pretty sure tht discussions that start out about the holocaust can't be evidence of Godwin's law.

"hitler had only one ball"

And Goering had two, but were very small,
Himmler's somewhat similar,
But poor Goebbels, he had none at all.

His mom chopped it off when he was three
And threw it to the deep blue see
And the fishes had their wishes
And had it with their evening tea.

See or sea?

Obiwan is the Thought Police. You must agree with him or he will harass you until the end of time.

Putin, you're taking all this rather personally. Relax, dude, it's just the internet.