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SYnapse (0 DX)
28 Feb 14 UTC
Some thoughts on my article
the-philosopher.co.uk/republicanism.htm

Comments please?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
27 Feb 14 UTC
The Live Game Promotion Problem
as per below

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Orka (785 D)
27 Feb 14 UTC
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Iron Maiden
Who else loves them?
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
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Who's up for a game of Backseat Driver Diplomacy?
See inside.
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kasimax (243 D)
27 Feb 14 UTC
new egypt in modern gunboat needed
unfortunately, we lost egypt in an ongoing modern gunboat game. two-day phases, buy-in 15.
gameID=132764
the position is far from perfect, but it can be game-changing!
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nfowler562 (100 D)
26 Feb 14 UTC
New
So I am newish; where do I go?

Curious about Gunboat but can't find rules or info on it.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
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Pseudoscience
An article on the left and pseudoscience. (Focusing on Whole Foods). Comments?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/23/whole-foods-america-s-temple-of-pseudoscience.html
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Feb 14 UTC
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It's (almost) my webDip Birthday!
In under 2 hours I'll be 6 years old! In lieu of presents, please contribute to the site, either with a donation, volunteering to help with a tournament/SoW, opening a Chase bank account, or just starting an interesting discussion on the Forum.

Thanks to everyone for making this my favorite site on the Internet for 6 years running!
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
27 Feb 14 UTC
This is nuts, glad i got ousted lolol
... ?gameID=136595 live now pffff
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Jacksonisboss (30 DX)
27 Feb 14 UTC
a new live game
join "another practice game live ppsc" . it is ppsc and it starting 2 minutes
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Jacksonisboss (30 DX)
27 Feb 14 UTC
join
join my game for new player/pros who like helping others. it is "another practice game live ppsc"(exactly that) btw starts in 15 minutes
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Lord Baldy (100 D)
26 Feb 14 UTC
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BIG FAT HAIRY BUMHOLES
Need I say more?...
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Lord Baldy (100 D)
26 Feb 14 UTC
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FLUFFY WHITE CLOUDS
Aren't they lovely?...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
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A Jewish State? Israel? YES. YES IT IS.
http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-demand-sparks-39-jewish-state-39-debate-192744221.html It's a Jewish State. As surely as Ireland's an Irish state and Iran's an Iranian state, Israel is a JEWISH state...THE Jewish state. Make the Palestinians recognize that, and in turn, make the Israelis stop the terrible, TERRIBLE expansion plan into the West Bank. As surely as there must be a Palestine, Israel MUST be THE Jewish state.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Obiwan. No one in this world is in the majority. To divide ourselves up into armed camps controlled by majorities united along ethnic and religious lines is a recipe for war and oppression.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
"It would have been gold except you had to look it up in Wikipedia."

Ah, well, at least I didn't have to consult Wikipedia for the important things...

Like, you know, the foundations of this Israeli/Palestinian conflict...

And the ideals of Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau and Voltaire...

And, of course, Shakespeare--oh, 50+ posts in, and not one Shakespeare mention?

Damn my being focused on the actual topic at hand!
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Obiwan, do you agree with the policies of the Saudi state? Do you agree with their explicit self-identification as a Muslim state? If you agree with one of these but not the other, you are a blind and inconsistent pawn.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
"To divide ourselves up into armed camps controlled by majorities united along ethnic and religious lines is a recipe for war and oppression."

AGAIN, I think you can have ethnic/national pride, build a state around that and NOT have it descend into bloody nationalistic ethnic cleansing...

Call me a dreamer, but I'd like to think we can evolve to that point.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
23 Feb 14 UTC
So guys, I call bullshit on this thread.

obi-dork has been hyperventilating non-stop for almost TWO WEEKS over his precious Team U.S.A. Men's Hockey as they dominated the meaningless games.

Canada then, essentially, RIPS their balls off and then Finland, a proud hockey nation, piles on.

obi-dork gets to watch his geriatric buddy, Selanne, retire with the Bronze at the expense of JONATHAN FUCKING QUICK, who gets F.A.

...and on THIS day he expects us to believe that he's SINCERE about this tripe?


Come on.....

Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
no one cares about hockey lol
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
"Obiwan, do you agree with the policies of the Saudi state? Do you agree with their explicit self-identification as a Muslim state?"

O.o

Explain to me why I need to take their barbaric laws towards women as part in parcel with their being a Muslim state?

AGAIN, why do I have to take the good AND bad...

Can't we just work to strip the bad from the good, keep the Jewish/Muslim/Irish/Kuridsh identities and strip away the bad things that come with that?

I DON'T think that Ireland's actions against the UK are an intrinsic indication an Irish state is a mean and violent one...it's an extrinsic reaction given what happened in that part of the world for hundreds of years.

Ditto Israels' overly-strong reaction to suspected terrorists right now.

Ireland's gotten better over the years...it's not the fearful mess it once was--

I don't live there so I can't say it's paradise, but it's not as bad as it WAS.

The same can happen in Israel.

And since women's liberation came in CHRISTIAN countries, it can eventually come to Saudi Arabia (preferably...oh, NOW would be good) and then it can be a Muslim country AND one that doesn't actively shit on women.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
23 Feb 14 UTC
Certainly not the Wiggers. They be all up wit dem hoops yo.
mapleleaf (0 DX)
23 Feb 14 UTC
#fuckcanada is trending on Twitter from you sucky babies, who don't care about hockey. lol.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Ethnic pride? Listen to yourself. What if I said I had pride in being white? You'd be rightly disgusted by that. It's one thing to be proud of who you are, it is quite another to write an exclusionary identity into your constitution.

I'm proud to be from Texas and of my Texan culture but I neither think that Texas' policies are moral or that Texas deserves any kind of special national or international treatment or priority. THAT is the kind of pride we should be evolving to. And not only that, part of what I am proud of are the contributions to that state and its culture from outside my own ethnic group: the Vietnamese shrimpers, the Palestinian businessmen, the black blues-singers, the the Latinos from all over Latin America, the Alabama-Coushatta. All of them bring something to my home that I am proud of, just as my own ancestors brought cool stuff like wheat and fiddles.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Can't we just work to strip the bad from the good, keep the Jewish/Muslim/Irish/Kuridsh identities and strip away the bad things that come with that?"

The way to do this is to separate these identities from the state and keep them personal. Do you seriously not believe in separation of church and state? And you claim to be from America?

semck83 (229 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
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Why can't we all be Thucy? If we were all exactly like Thucy, the world would FINALLY WORK, for crying out loud!
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
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Unity and cohesion is a function of exclusion on some basis, Thucy. The more exclusive a group, the usually more the members identify with one another. Being a member of a group means defining oneself as not being a member of other groups. Being Texan would have no meaning if everyone could be defined as Texan. Being Texan has meaning, however, because plenty of people aren't Texan.

The Israeli effort to narrow their identity is probably a function of how divided Israeli society has really become, and an effort to paper over internal differences between various groups within 'Jewish' Israel.

I've long believed that if the Palestinians really wanted to undermine Israel, all they'd have to do is sit back and leave Israel alone. Israel is so divided it would turn upon itself rather quickly.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Certainly not, I require regulation and oversight as much as anyone. I'm quite sure I would selectively break the law for my own gain if I thought I could get away with it, even if I would wish to be able to say this is not the case.

And rather than resorting to ad hominem, do you care to refute the content of my ideas? Do you also disagree with the concept of liberal secular democracy?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Yes exclusion is the basis of group identity, which is precisely why;

1) states should not be exclusionary, unless we are prepared to accept exclusionary (oppressive) policies, and

2) we should be focusing on group identities that will unite us, rather than divide. Call it idealism but humans in general have quite a bit to unite us, and quite a bit to collectively oppose ourselves against. This has increasingly been the zeitgeist over the centuries and I see no good reason to give up on it today when we are closer to it than ever.

Cicero could scarcely have imagined the progress we've made when he articulated a vision for universal humanity. And yet here we sit, with many a Locke and Kant notwithstanding.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
If exclusion is the basis of group identity, then there is no way to focus on group identities that solely unite. The only thing would really unite humans is if they were threatened by some kind of extra-terrestrial force. That way rallying around the human flag would provide humans with some kind of common bond and benefit of protection. However there is no extraterrestrial 'other' with which to unite humans. The largest grouping is therefore the nation-state. Nation-states are united by the 'othering' of other nation-states. America was united by the othering of Britain, and subsequently united after the civil war by the other-ing of Spain. India, which never existed as a territorial unit prior to British control, was unified in a similar way. The Pathans, Punjabis, Sindhis, and Balochis were similarly united by the other-ing of India. Russia was unified by the other-ing of Mongol khanates. Etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. The main reason why the EU is having trouble creating a pan-European identity is because there is no common enemy with which to unite Europe.
semck83 (229 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Thucy,

You want to impose your own cultural norms on everything in sight, about everything you care about, and then leave the rest of the small cultural details and traditions to traditional cultures. That's your idea of everybody getting along.

To answer your question,

" Can't we just work to strip the bad from the good, keep the Jewish/Muslim/Irish/Kuridsh identities and strip away the bad things that come with that?"

No, you can't, if the Muslim (for example) identities fundamentally require things about civil law. You're just redefining their identities after your own mold.

Of course, I'm an American and very proud of the American system that, to some degree (though not the degree often believed) requires just that. But I don't pretend that it's consistent with the ideals that some other cultures are based on, and that there isn't a substantial cultural change being asked when I say that somebody coming here has to accept it.

That is, that tolerance and multi-culturalism is itself a *cultural* norm, not some neutral backdrop; and so, to the extent all those Texan immigrants you celebrate are abiding by it, and to the extent they're from places where it doesn't exist, to that extent their culture is more Texan and less their old culture.

"Do you also disagree with the concept of liberal secular democracy?"

As you would probably define it, yes. It inevitably ends up radically privileging uniformity and (substantive) secularism, to the disadvantage of all other cultural values.

I'm all for tolerance, though, and -- as you might suppose from my answer -- there are some definitions of the term that I would be fine with.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
That wasn't Thucy's question.

If you're going to mock him at least have the decency to read what he's saying.
semck83 (229 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
What wasn't his question? I pasted Thucy's exact question.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
"" Can't we just work to strip the bad from the good, keep the Jewish/Muslim/Irish/Kuridsh identities and strip away the bad things that come with that?""

This was Obi's question, which Thucy was responding to. Do try and keep up.
semck83 (229 D(B))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Oh, my bad -- missing first quotation mark on Thucy's post, though I should have noticed the closing one. I don't often struggle through obi's posts, so I didn't notice.

Thanks for the correction.

My points would apply, closely enough anyway, to Thucy's answer to the question, so I'll leave it there for his remark.

Sorry for the misread, Thucy.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
23 Feb 14 UTC
Look this is simple, the Israeli govt DO NOT want to persecute and kill Palestinians unless they really have to ..... they just want their land to build more houses on.
Of course the land belongs to the Jews because they are 'the chosen ones'.
You can tell the Palestinians are not the chosen ones because nobody really gives a fuck what happens to them.
Just the same as Tibet ..... nice sympathetic words backed up with very little action, what was Obama going to do for the Palestinians, yeah that's right absolutely fuck all, and where he leads the EU and the UN have followed.
Rather than worry about going back to the 1967 borders why not go further back to when Baby Jesus ruled the world and he left it all in his Will to the Jews, then they could travel where they want to in the World and build as many houses as they want, let's be honest, who wouldn't want to be fucked over by 'a chosen one', it could be your only way to heaven.
I'm thinking of starting a website for Palestinian woman - www.getrapedbyaJewand haveashotatyourownBabyJesus.com
I am pretty sure there will be plenty of American arms companies willing to advertise on the site.
Nobody likes racism but the holocaust was over 70 years ago now, the Palestinians are being persecuted now as I write, every single day.
When do we finally say enough is enough, or maybe it will never be enough because Jewish people suffered a great loss in history the treatment of Palestine by the Israeli govt is completely justified.
This is not the only place in the world where people are being persecuted, it's just the one with the biggest US sponsorship deal.
Of course if you challenge him on anything Netanyahu starts threatening to nuke Iran because he is a complete and utter psychopath.
Don't hate the religion or the country, just the people and the politicians that support this perverse and brutal regime.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
Palestine gets billions in aid so if nobody cares about them why give the money?

NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
23 Feb 14 UTC
A picture please or the billions didn't happen......
Randomizer (722 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
While we are at it, lets condemn the Catholic church for controlling the Vatican City as their own little country complete with a military.

The Arab countries want a Palestinian state so they can kick them out of their countries. Jordan did back in the 1970s when the Palestinians tried to take over the UN's official Palestinian state (Jordan) according to the UN partition from it's king. Lebanon's still trying to regain control from the Palestinian's Hezbollah takeover.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
http://blogs.wsj.com/brussels/2013/12/11/auditors-deliver-mixed-reviews-on-eus-palestinian-funding/

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
Jordan and the Lebanese Maronites are Israel's two only friends in the Middle East, so what are you talking about?
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
23 Feb 14 UTC
The EU taxpayers need to understand why so much money is being given to Palestine, they need to question why do Palestinians need this money?
Just a subsidy to mitigate Israeli govt policy in Palestine but I suppose you need a certain amount of money to make up for your house being bulldozed, what fucking insane policy is that .... bulldozing peoples houses if they break a curfew !!
EU taxpayers should be asking why aren't Palestinians allowed to make their own money, the money aside is it not basic human rights these people crave. Is it not freedom from persecution they want ..... handouts just create a dependency culture.
Octavious (2701 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
#Thucy

"I'm quite sure I would selectively break the law for my own gain if I thought I could get away with it"

Would you really? You're not just saying that to boost your argument? I have no problem breaking a law if I believe it to be wrong, or if the circumstances mean that the spirit of the law is not being served by the law, but breaking a law purely for personal gain is something else entirely.
Draugnar (0 DX)
23 Feb 14 UTC
So, now we know Thucy will carjack you or rob your house or even murder you if he thinks that he won't get caught. Good to know.

Thucy, I love in Alaska. Please go there ...er... come here to commit your crimes and leave the rest if web dip alone.

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Orka (785 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Variants
How do we get variants on this site?
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krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Designer (Rich) Babies. Someone...
...won't be a ditch-digger.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-25/dad-may-join-two-moms-for-disease-free-designer-babies.html

Yes, the elite are already making their push for designer babies. I'll take my girl 5'7" with "c" cups, blonde (strawberry) and green eyes, please. And Wicked smart...
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
25 Feb 14 UTC
Guys - I Found Us a Life Hack
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/10658271/Automated-texts-to-your-girlfriend-Theres-an-app-for-that.html

Anyone that uses this shouldn't have a girlfriend, but at the same time, damn, that could be useful.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Son: "Dad, what's SILVER?"
Dad:..........
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Putin33 (111 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Timewarner - Comcast Merger
Will it go through and what does it mean for Net Neutrality, especially since the courts vacated FCC rules governing the internet?

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PiC (2166 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
join you have three builds as italy
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=136521&msgCountryID=0&rand=18504#chatboxanchor
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ILN (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Most peaceful philosophy
http://mises.ca/posts/blog/libertarianism-they-only-peaceful-philosophy/

Curious about what people will say on this...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Feb 14 UTC
The Good Old International "FUCK YOU!"...I mean, The Good Old Hocke Game...
...is the best game you can name, and the best game you can name, is a US-Gold Medal game! Anyone else pulling for Team USA to kick some Russian ass and win the Gold at Sochi? Any of our Canadian WebDippers proud of their awesome squad looking to defend their title? Any chance Putin wants to stand by Real Putin and that big, bad, high-powered Russian squad?
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ILN (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Dirty Internet tactics
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
24 Feb 14 UTC
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Obama's first good decision
Like a dead clock that's right two times a day, Obama made a good decision.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/us/politics/pentagon-plans-to-shrink-army-to-pre-world-war-ii-level.html?hp&_r=0
Congratulations Americans.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
The Liberal (AKA Anti-NRA/krellin) Gun Club
http://gma.yahoo.com/gun-club-liberals-un-nra-010923198.html
"She has no use, however, for the NRA's conservative political agenda... Its mission, she says, is to provide "a place for gun owners to talk to other owners about neat gun stuff, without having to hear how the president is a Muslim-usurper-socialist running a false-flag operation." Clearly, Ms. Hoeber's been reading our posts...clearly.
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
24 Feb 14 UTC
Shouldn't draw votes be anonymous?
I don't mind that cancel and pause votes are out in the open, but I'd expect draw votes to be anonymous. That's how it was when I played FtF and on the email judges. Any particular reason why they are not anonymous on this site?
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dyedinthewool (240 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
settings
Trying to join anon game not sure how to set settings for this or will it automatically hide my user name
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shield (3929 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Public Press Gunboat
More akin to real life gunboat where we can chat about anything except the game. Does anyone do this? I prefer gunboat because diplomacy just takes a lot of time that I'd rather spend doing other things in my life. However sometimes it would be nice to have the option of sending a public shout out on some topic.
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Jacksonisboss (30 DX)
24 Feb 14 UTC
new game
join my game of "practice not for points". it is for new players or pros who need practice. it is ppsc, clasic, and one day turns
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Lackbeard (55 D)
24 Feb 14 UTC
World missing Argentina
Just need someone to full Argentinas spot. gameID=134431

He was doing really well, on 11 SCs
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