@ Krellin: "a shooting of a person that was commited by a (left leaning) lone-acting gunman"

Evidence that Jared Loughner was left wing or "left leaning" in his political views, please? According to what I've read about him on Wikipedia* and other sources he was a paranoid schizophrenic and conspiracy nut who was distrustful of government in general, and in particular he hated the idea of women holding political office or any form of power. I have seen nothing to suggest that his attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords was motivated by any kind of left-wing agenda.


*Yes I know Wikipedia has its limitations but it's a useful starting point.

wikipedia....sigh....I have no response to that.

@ Jamie - and yet if someone posts that Jared was a right-winger, you will not confront them? Go away until you have some integrity...That being said, having looked over numerous articles from main-stream news organizations, I see no right wing agenda at all, and of anything that I can find, it would seem more left than right...even if only by an iota. An iota left of center is left-leaning, by definition, would you not agree?

But yes...a mental whackjob first and foremost, and distinctly *not* a conservative/right-winger, would you agree? And yet earlier in this thread when an individual attempted to tie Gifford's assassination attempt to right wing politics, you are silent. So go away, until you have integrity, I say again...

I just gave Obi a +1 one...I saw an Obi post that only display 4 lines of text. Amazing..

What has Nugent even said that has been that controversial? As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) he's a loudmouth idiot who loves supporting Americans' right to bear arms.

@GF....go the fuck away if you are not going to have even a hint of intellectual integrity. Agree with Nugent all you want, but even fucking Nugent himself would admit he is controversial and he would be proud of it. What the fuck is wrong with you GF...good lord, if he isn't cnotroversial, then he would be *main stream* and boring and no body woudl give a fuck about him. It is specifically *because* he is controversial that he is a topic of discussion, that his views get air play, etc.

Go the fuck away, you mental midget.

I will restate my sincere question. What has he said that has been *that* controversial?

GF....Here is your assignment:

1. Look up the word "controvery" and/or "controversial"
2. Google Ted Nugent and spend about 3 hours reading the links

Go the fuck away until you have completed your assignment.

Fuck off, krellin. For all you know, I'm prepping a defense of the man. I'm not setting some sort of rhetorical trap.

“If Barack Obama becomes the next president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.” - Ted Nugent, April 2012

Putin:

I agree that the 1st amendment hasn't upheld some political speech as it should, so that's a side issue and not really relevant. It also protects all kinds of other speech, even violent speech, as long as that speech isn't a "call to arms" type incitement of violence. And that is exactly as it should be.

Yes, I will defend TN's right to say things you would find violent and dehumanizing. I defend the KKK's right so say their shit too. That's the price you pay for free speech, that EVERYBODY gets it. I'll pay that price any day and every day.

NO GF, you are being an intellectually dishonest jackass. To pretend you don't know what controversial things Nugent has said....*especially* as some of them have been mentioned in this thread....just makes you another jackass fucktard.

Go away, bitch.

So back to you again, will you maintain your position that Ted Nugent should be in jail for the comments he's made? Are you really saying that laws should be passed so that these types of statements are punishable by fines or jail time?

I wonder how outraged Putin the Rapist was when the political left in this country was literally calling for the lynching of George Zimmerman.

Putin doesn't have a shred of integrity - Putin the Rapist, who ascribes all forms of ill to everyone he dislikes as long as he can find a single example of unsavory behavior, Putin the Rapist, who's selective indignation and selective reading of history makes the worst psychopath look like a saint, does not deserve real answers to his fake questions.

Go away Putin...

@ 2WL

"If Barack Obama becomes the next president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

Okay, the man isn't in jail, so Ted Nugent is a liar.

@ krellin

"To pretend you don't know what controversial things Nugent has said....*especially* as some of them have been mentioned in this thread."

krellin, I have more important things to do than pay attention to Ted Nugent or read the previous posts in this thread. Stop insulting me.

Gunfighter is such a stupid libtard.... hey that feels good to say. LIBTARD.

And if you aren't hanging on Ted Nugent's every last word, you are no true American. Why do you hate freedom libtard?

@GF -- if you have no knowledge of Nugent....then shut the fuck up and don't involve yourself in a conversation about a topic for which you have no knowledge. OR....use fucking google, you fucking dumbass. OR....read the thread, in which examples of the controversial things Nugent has said have already been provided. In ANY of the above examples of action...you are an asshole, GF. So go the fuck away.

Yeah, LIBTARD.

Actually, I think GF is a CONTARD. Narrow-minded, conspiracy-theory laden far right-winger.

"That's the price you pay for free speech, that EVERYBODY gets it. I'll pay that price any day and every day."

What "price" are you paying? Are you the one being targeted by violent and/or hate speech? Of course not. Are you the potential victim of political assassination, egged on by this kind of rhetoric? Of course not. You're not paying anything, nor do any of the free speech absolutists pay anything. They reap all the 'benefits' of being offensive boors without paying any of the costs. Just like the 2nd amendment absolutists reap all the benefits of being able to accumulate all the deadly toys they want while others pay the cost.

" It also protects all kinds of other speech"

It shouldn't. Other speech is worthless, actually harmful, and adds nothing to the public discourse. Only political speech should be protected. Uncivil speech makes no sense as a constitutional right.

"Are you really saying that laws should be passed so that these types of statements are punishable by fines or jail time?"

Yes. What will we lose by doing so? Nothing. More civility and fewer ogres spewing their garbage with impunity. A less toxic political atmosphere. I don't see the downside at all.

"so Ted Nugent is a liar."

He's also a coward. He pleased with the Secret Service that didn't mean anything he said when they came to visit him. He talks a big game but then whines when the tables are turned on him. He also had the audacity to complain about RATM making 'threats' against Bush. He's also a draft dodger. A chickenhawk coward if there ever was one.

So Putin -- if I tell you, "Putin....That fucking Obama should be killed for what he has done to this country"

Did I just incite you to violence? Are you that much of a sheep that me saying that is going to incite you to violence?

When are people like you going to accept that individuals are responsible for their actions. MY WORDS can *NOT* cause you to act, you fucking moron. YOU are responsible for YOUR ACTIONS, get it?

Otherwise...Hey Putin...go jump off a fucking cliff, douchebag.

"MY WORDS can *NOT* cause you to act"

Tell that to the advertising industry. Or the creators of political campaign ads.

"I wonder how outraged Putin the Rapist was when the political left in this country was literally calling for the lynching of George Zimmerman."

Very outraged, actually. But I note the irony of Zimmerman defenders complaining about vigilantism.

Ok, Putin, I know this shouldn't surprise me given your username but for someone so smart about a lot of things you seem to be strangely comfortable with authoritarian ideas.. There are limits to free speech, but widening those limits to "uncivil" speech is just giving carte blanche to a creepy police state.

You irony is not the issue, Putin...and I defy you to find a link to any thread in which you expressed outrage at the left/minority activists for calling for Zimmerman's lynching. Such professed outrage by you *does not exist*.

Putin - I have no doubt that people can be influence by advertising. That being said, your actions are still YOUR responsibility - do you deny that?

Otherwise, I would be bankrupt, because I see a lot of advertising that ***I IGNORE***.

I also play violent video games and have for the past 25+ years...and yet I have never shot a single person. Amazing, isn't it?

Take responsibility for YOUR OWN actions, Putin....you might find it quite liberating.

mendax - he is all for the thought-police authoritarian state. Most libtard are....until a Republican get's elected, and then they aren't.

It's called hypocrisy...and he/they excel at it.

"There are limits to free speech, but widening those limits to "uncivil" speech is just giving carte blanche to a creepy police state."

Hardly. Fines or short stints in jail for boorish behavior does not a police state make. Just like fines or short stints in jail for moving violations doesn't make people afraid of driving.

"It's called hypocrisy...and he/they excel at it."

Indeed. Krellin was at the forefront of the anti-PATRIOT Act and Camp X-Ray protests when Bush was in office.