dubmdell, I just said the OT doesn't count because ab told me not to.

19.03.2012 -- Today we all found out that SantaClausowitz is a fake jew.

Jew*

Or we found out that listening to a priest or watching history channel is a terrible substitute for actually knowing something about judaism.

Judaism*

Open your copy of the Torah, if you even own one, go to any book within, and find Yahweh. Fool.

Tanakh rather. Though I own a separate edition that is just the Torah.

Oh I'm a fool? Perhaps you know that the name isn't pronounced and the last person who knew how to pronounce the name died 2000 years ago. Perhaps you know that we don't even know if the name follows the letters or is something completely different. Yahweh is a creation by non-jews attempting to put a material name to god in a religion that currently, if it ever did, have one. Frankly I think the guy who puffs out his chest and says that Oosah defeated Etay in a Fife-Ay friendly match last month is the fool.

Oh. Sorry MM. I see now the tone that should have been read in and the order of logical thought. My apologies for the error.

and lest the ignorance of Geo hijack this thread. Agbe, if you think she is on her way in the first place, why jump in. Shouldn't this be something a person has to decide by themselves?

Yahweh is the best chance of pronouncing the name we have. If you did not instinctively know what Abge was referring to, you're a bad Jew. And if you did but still asked, you're an ashhole, which is pretty much the same thing.
Why is it that the least Jewish Jews in the world are always the fools that pretend to get the most offended?
/hijack

'Yahweh is the best chance of pronouncing the name we have."

Oh really, Geofram is creating religious doctrine now, incredible. Go around and test that theory with all the jews you know so much better than me. Please go talk to a rabbi about :Yahweh."

"If you did not instinctively know what Abge was referring to, you're a bad Jew."

i was obviously making a point, I find it obnoxious when Christians/Athiests use the name Jehovah or Yahweh. In English it is "The Jewish God" or "God." In Hebrew its Adonai, or Elohim, or any other number of names, not "Yahweh."

Frankly I resent that a mod is questioning my jewishness and somehow throwing past arguments into the mix where they were completely irrelevant. How did a low class guy like you get to be a mod in the first place.

I should also say i find it obnoxious when jews use it too, the current use as a teaching tool for the ignorant accepted of course.

1. It's Yahweh...from one Jew to another, SC--and even an Orthodox rabbi will recognize an atheistic Jew as a Jew, just so long as my X chromosome came from a Jewish lady, again, it's an ethno-religious group--and so, please

2. Stop being pretentious about it and banging on about

3. Myths about that last person saying it aloud to die; whether part of Scripture or legend or not, it's Yahweh, everyone calls him Yahweh or God or even

4. G-d, for those no wishing to give the name and hide behind the veil of superstition about saying/writing the name, like you, so give it a rest, and finally

5. I find it somewhat Ironic YOU QUESTION *MY* "JEWISHNESS...

You have the audacity to do that to me...

But someone questions you, and suddenly, wow! that's out of bounds?



Quit quibbling over the minutia like a putz and suck up your hypocrisy...

They're all made up rules of living, in the end, so, really, does it MATTER if I call God God or Yahweh or Allah or Patrick Stewart (I think that's the closest interpretation, personally...)

Frankly, you're just pissed that I get to have bacon for breakfast.

Bonus 6.

The REASON some Jews stopped using the name wasn't because it was incorrect...

It was because they felt the name you gave sounded more universal, ie, "God" from Elohim...

So, really, like most other things in Jewish life...

Changing the name was really just a marketing decision--and aren't we good at THAT!

(Get cranky all you want about the humor if you want...personally, one of the best things in Jewish culture, one of the things about it I treasure the most:

The fact we're a bunch that can take and make a goddamned joke...you start treating this stuff too seriously, and look what happens--see: practically all the Middle East and THEIR humor/sexually-repressed states to see just how fun life can get when you get overly uptight and get ready to have serious fights--and even kill--over something so silly as which VERSION of "God's name" is correct.)

And +1 to Geofram's last statement...LOL

Obi, you have no idea what you are talking about. When I get a real jew on here, not a cultural california jew who has no jewish education we'll talk.

"2. Stop being pretentious about it and banging on about"

Sure, I'll stop if you agree to not be pretentious about being called a cultural california jew with no jewish education, which is basically what a MOD called me a second ago off of the most ridiculous pretenses imaginable, and he continues with the farce.

"3. Myths about that last person saying it aloud to die; whether part of Scripture or legend or not, it's Yahweh, everyone calls him Yahweh or God or even"

Who was that last person Rab Obi? Why did I say 2000 years ago. Fill in the det's oh Gaon of Los Angeles!

"4. G-d, for those no wishing to give the name and hide behind the veil of superstition about saying/writing the name, like you, so give it a rest, and finally"

Says the guy who just wrote G-D on the internet forum. If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know that even if we wanted to pronounce it, and the letters spelled something that we can earthly understand, which many jewish scholars deny, we don't know the vowels so, in fact, we do not know.

"5. I find it somewhat Ironic YOU QUESTION *MY* "JEWISHNESS..."

Yes and after this post I do it even more.

"But someone questions you, and suddenly, wow! that's out of bounds?"

Someone who obviously has no idea about a core concept in Judaism, but has seen a couple baptist preachers yell yahweh a couple times saying I'm not jewish?

"Quit quibbling over the minutia like a putz and suck up your hypocrisy..."

Oh he throws in one of the two words of yiddush he knows to give it a air of authority.

Whatever anyone's spiritual leanings may be, the best way to deal with a brand new atheist is to encourage them to accept the idea that existence is meaningless... but it's MEANINGLESS that it's meaningless, and that's awesome. If they've already got a good moral compass and are ready to live life without an invisible father figure there to punish them, they're all set to walk on their own. They don't even have to change much, if any, of what they were doing before.

"When I get a real jew on here, not a cultural california jew who has no jewish education we'll talk."

You get your yarmulke in a twist over someone else questioning your Jewishness...

And, again--your response is to question someone else's?

It's not becoming of a nice Jewish boy to be a hypocrite, SC...

And frankly, I don't think I have to show my Jew-card, as it were, to you.

But tell you what, I'll Ask the Audience, so to speak:

WEBDIP:

DO YOU THINK I, OBIWANOBIWAN, COUNT AS A JEW, ETHNICALLY AND CULTURALLY, OR IS SC RIGHT AND I JUST DON'T CUT THE MUSTARD?

"Says the guy who just wrote G-D"

...To show how silly I thought it was, but we've already established you're not very good at picking up on irony, so, whatever...yawn...

"Someone who obviously has no idea about a core concept in Judaism, but has seen a couple baptist preachers yell yahweh a couple times saying I'm not jewish?"

1. How DARE you insinuate I'd ever be so banal or bored as to want to watch a Baptist preacher...as if I wanted to lobotomize myself in such a fashion...

2. I'm sorry you I don't meet your standards of my understanding "the core concepts" of Judaism--so if we were Christians and not Jews, and I were a Protestant and you were Catholic, would you be on a kick about how I missed the point there, too? Different strokes for different folks, SC...

I know religion generally has a flexibility problem, but hey--too damn bad.

3. I didn't say you weren't Jewish, I said it was ironic that someone so concerned and sensitive about his Judaic side that he must loudly proclaim from the pulpit only to overcompensate for an over-circumcised--

But I digress.

Point is, I don't AT AL question your Jewishness...why do you bother questioning my form of appreciating my own Jewish ethnic and cultural background...

Are you that dogmatic, or just that closed-minded and infantile that it needs to fit your mode of understanding, exactly, or it doesn't count?

"Oh he throws in one of the two words of yiddush he knows to give it a air of authority."

1. I need an air of authority to point out what a complete tight-wadded prick you're being, and in a sarcastic fashion at that?

2. I'll leave it there, before I get to my more colorful Yiddish...

Which you'd probably criticize for not being more demonstratively "Jewish enough"...

Which you'd then criticize for not being Hebrew and so not "Jewish enough"...

Which I'd then give in a transliterated, updated-Hebrew version, which you'd criticize for not being the original, Ancient Hebrew of our ancestors and so, lo and behold, STILL not "Jewish enough."

Because...

Wait.

Remind me.



What Burning Bush appointed YOU the Head Rabbi of All Thing Judaic in the Promised Land of WebDiplomacy, again?

>>mfw Jew battle

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Oh, by the way--

What does my Jewishness-level-thing have to do with abgemacht's post?

Or the whole Yahweh-Elohim-God thing...

How does that relate, SC?

It's not about finding a new faith or questioning it...

Did you just want to show off your "learned" Jewish skills to pointlessly troll this thread?

OH!

You DID?

My mistake--by all means, please, continue (now where did I put that copy of "Fiddler on the Roof" so I can listen to it after saying The Bread Prayer before eating a bagel with some gafilta fish and matzoh I got a good deal on thanks to my business-savvy side which I paid for with the money I made by being a great Jewish lawyer, doctor, businessman, AND entertainer all at once in New York City while rooting for the Mets with Billy Crystal, just to use up as many Jewish cliches as I can to show, hey! I can pointlessly reference things about Jewish culture and pop culture and stereotypes, too!)

LOL at Eden's post...

As long as we're entertaining you, Eden, CLEARLY, we must BOTH be good Jews, eh, eh, eh?

:p

inb4 Jew is the new Aryan

+1 ulytau LOL...ah, the fun we have on this site... ;)

My Jewish level is over 5000!

Hashem told me the whole bacon restriction is outdated. Rejoice with improved hamburgers! Join the 21st century.

Also, Obi and SC, correct me if I'm wrong but both of you play WebDip over Shabbat? That would make you both awful fucking Jews...

I actually tried to get someone to join this site that had serious religious issue with lying. I tried to explain to him that you don't have to lie, but then he said, "when you win, did you lie to win?" and I had to say yes. I suppose I could have tried gunboat, but that's not true Diplomacy.

"...but that's not true Diplomacy."

OH HELL NO.

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