Grats FK!

Yeah, this... I added in some good bits to my quote file on my profile.

Thanks for the gratz, everyone. :-)

Yeah, thucy (damn autocorrect)

Abge, can those guidelines be made public?

I think being capable of making TC mute you should be a new requirement for becoming a mod.

Still doesn't answer the question properly: what's the difference between Admin and Mod?

Hear, hear. As a person who has broken rules without knowing he has broken them, (despite carefully reading the posted guidelines, and don't give me that rule 9 bullshit) and been harshly warned for his offenses, explicit public guidelines would be awesome for me as well.

That hear here was, of course, directed at smiley's comment.

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Certain guidelines, such as Force Pause, will be made public, but not the entire document.

@Gobb

Admins have a few more powers than mods. Admins have more experience than mods and are often called upon to assist with cases.

Abge: Why not?

Abge: what extra powers?

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Because it's an internal document and not all of it is relevant or appropriate for all Members to view.

@Gobb

We don't disclose Mod/Admin powers.

Besides those already disclosed, such as zombification of stabbers, and the responsibility of reviewing the american-idol style audition tapes.

Abge: Your statement doesn't really add any information. It can be assumed to be true from your previous statement, that you will not release part of it. But relevance shouldn't really be a criterion, (Why do you care if someone wants to waste their time reading it?) and I don't think it would be inappropriate for members to view it. Can you explain why it would be?

Well, we wouldn't want to reveal the details of the conspiracy, of course ;)

Smiley, we don't want to disclose, firstly because it details some of what we can do, which we keep hidden for obvious reasons. Second, because if people know exactly what guidelines we mods are following they can easily find ways to get around it or find loopholes, imho.

All you need to follow are the rules already posted. Our guidelines are intended to help us fairly enforce those rules as well as keep the site as fun as efficient as possible.

I think the guidlelines may actually contain clues to some of their investigative techniques that would give would be cheaters an undue advantage.

Transparency!

This is a private website, not some government ganecy. Do you demand that a privately held (not publicly held) company produce every single aspect of it's business to the public? If you do, you're an idiot because Draugnar PRoductions will *never* show you it's books, nor will Cincom or dozens of SMBs like the mom and pop restaurants and grocery stores. They don't have to and they won't.

They can't disclose the guidelines because the Book of Guidelines includes a guideline that forbids them from disclosing the guidelines. Our mods hands are tied.

I'm frankly surprised said Book of Guidelines does not include a guideline that demands the denial of its existence. Maybe it did and was changed post Babak-Sarg issues to contain unrest in the masses.

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Thucy really hit the nail on the head.

1) Reading the guide in full may reveal what tactics we use, which we do not want people to know.

2) This guide was written by me in my free time. I did not pay a lawyer to look it over. I don't want to deal with all the loopholes that I'm sure exist.

Black-box dealing!!!!!
Down with them mods!

Ah the smell of the massess foaming at the mouth over some new, lauded, imagined power that is out of their grasp..

How many of them would really want (know how? care?) to have to sort out all the cheating accusations, moderate the Babak/Sarg dispute, silence and ban players and deal with all the piles of shit thrown at the mods/admins?

Frankly, I think a funeral dirge is in better taste for you FK than congrats.. with many obituaries of thanks and pining over how much your former self will be missed.

How much of a raise did they give you?

There aren't really any secret powers at all, the mods just want you to use your mind to fill in the blanks and elevate them to super-human deity status. Obviously.

Abge: That makes sense. I suppose if the document is written in a "If you observe this, do this" form, that would make sense. But I was thinking it would be written in the form "If you come to this conclusion, do this." And I can't see how the latter would be a problem to make public.

Satosh is actually correct I believe in the guideline it says not to tell people it's contents. Lmao.

Wow its been a long time since I last looked on here - do rather miss this place.
Congratulations to all FK for surviving so long as an active mod, and good luck not going in sane. If I can ever get my head back on top of my degree I'll try and return, but mod/admin time just seems to eat away hours of your life!
ps: Merry Christmas :)

Figle the mod!!!!!!!!