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King Atom (100 D)
22 Sep 11 UTC
Well, I'm Leaving
Yes Yellowjacket, you can start jerking off now.
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Ges (292 D)
22 Sep 11 UTC
What opposing power do you most want to see in able hands?
Which country in Classic that you are not playing do you most hope is in the hands of someone with a reasonably good sense of the overall map dynamics, unit abilities and the way various provinces and powers relate to one another?
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Yeoman (100 D)
24 Sep 11 UTC
World domination
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=68524

Let's go people! Rewrite history with me!
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santosh (335 D)
23 Sep 11 UTC
gameID=68486
A pity it turned out as it did.

It was poised interestingly, although I suspect it was mostly "Let's kill the non-voting people". The I/R/T scramble was fun. Given Germany's latest push into Venice, I feel Russia would have come out on top of Turkey unless Germany built armies and sent them east (unlikely)
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papabearbrodie (338 D)
22 Sep 11 UTC
Game to Report
I am having troubles reporting certain problems with a game. how does one get a hold of a mod.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
23 Sep 11 UTC
Faster Than The Speed of Light.
Some breaking news yesterday from CERN that subatomic particles seem to have beaten the speed of light. Very exciting and, although CERN wants the results checked again before publishing, such an extraordinary claim that I thought I'd bring it to attention here on the forum.

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trip (696 D(B))
14 Aug 11 UTC
Winter Gunboat Tourney 2011
Info Center
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Ges (292 D)
23 Sep 11 UTC
Player probably needed in 3 hrs: 7 SC Austria, full press WTA, 17 buy-in
gameID=66749

A player is three hours away from CDing. The power is Austria with 7 SCs and 6 units, in a kingmaker/drawmaker position. Considerable growth potential and diplomatic opportunities.
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fabiobaq (444 D)
23 Sep 11 UTC
Portuguese-speaking player needed, Turkey in CD with 5 SCs Autumn 1903
gameID=67888
Não é preciso ser falante nativo, basta um domínio operacional básico, alguns jogadores estão inclusive participando para treinar o português como língua estrangeira.
Senha: falamos.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
23 Sep 11 UTC
Just for fun
Since I haven't seen a good world convoy lately.
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=63322
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
22 Sep 11 UTC
The Debate Thread
Rules inside
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Jessica (100 D)
18 Sep 11 UTC
Passworded games
Hi :-)

I am new here and would like to know how to join passworded games. Is there a trick of some kind?
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tricky (148 D)
22 Sep 11 UTC
New game
Five min turns, anon players and no messaging. It will be fun. Starts in 5 min.
gameID=68405
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fortknox (2059 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
I'd like to point something out...
Tettleston Chew claimed to mute me, as he's claimed to have muted many people... then replied to one of my threads he shouldn't have seen.
Can't even troll right, I swear!
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Froctal (607 D(B))
21 Sep 11 UTC
Donor Status
Question- I have a bronze donor symbol by my name. Is this fair within the game? Does it help my play, grant me "serious player" status so my word gets respected? Or make me a target instead?

I know that I look for that symbol in every game I am now entering. I treat others different when I see it. Is this part of the "spirit" of Diplomacy?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
13 Sep 11 UTC
How the world really works.
With the high concentration of idiots on this website who seem to have not the foggiest idea how the world really works the timeliness of this thread can't be denied.
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President Eden (2750 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
"This country sucks." -Abraham Lincoln, after killing Lee Harvey Oswald
Post your own amazing factual quotes here.
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Yeoman (100 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Let's fight for the world!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=68338

25 to join, anon players, chat allowed, lots of gun, I mean fun! :-)
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Low Pot, High GR, Fun Game.
I'm thinking a 20-50 D pot, with 7 reasonably high GR-rated players for a classic, full press, 36hr, password game.

I would like to see some old faces and welcome new ones too.
Anyone interested?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
how do i maek a thraed???
i kant work out how to maik a knew topik so peepz can talk an sh1t?
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JesusPetry (258 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Is this unique?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandeira_Estado_RioGrandedoSul_Brasil.svg
Or are any other self-referencing flags in the World?
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Puddle (413 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Donations
I want to make one, are donations still being taken? If so where do I go to do so?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Gunboat Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry-12
The 12th game in the series. Come join!

Details: 150 D buy-in, 25 hour, anon Classic WTA gunboat.
Link: gameID=68341
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fortknox (2059 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Most overrated President of all time...
Not giving it away here... read the first message (unless some tool responds first, in which case read my first reply).
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gongdol (100 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
how could be support in gunboat?
anyone knows?

http://95.211.128.12/webdiplomacy/board.php?gameID=67995
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DonXavier (1341 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Question about automatic disband for cd nations...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=66827

This last turn I expected cyrene and libyan sea to disband, according to the rules for automatic disband for cd nations.... Libyan sea, cyrene and marmarica are all 1 movement from egypts home supply centers... cyrene and libyan sea come before marmarica in the alphabet... is this a mistake or is there something i'm missing...?
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Conservative Man (100 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
What should I do next?
See inside. And please read all of it.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
20 Sep 11 UTC
Rule Change for the Forums
I have a suggestion. Why dont the Mods make a rule that bans obscene comments in the forums and bans anyone who makes one or at least fines them. THis will allow the people who want to use the forums for their intended, appropriate, use.
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fortknox (2059 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
yeah... TC needs his voice heard. That's just what this thread needs...
Other places I've played have 2 forums - one for the game and game related issues - with a certain level of expected etiquette - and an "Off Topic" anything-goes forum. You could keep the mute button (an excellent idea that I haven't seen elsewhere) and maybe add the threat of a ban for anybody continually posting too far off topic on the game-only forum.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
I think it's more a problem of memership rather than the actual structure of the forums...

Things were pretty good a couple years ago, it seems a relatively-recent phenomenon, all the fighting and flaming and trolling...

So I really think the focus needs to be on WHO is posting on these forums, rather than their structure.

Without naming names, I think *MOST*--and I capitalize and asterisk that so no one comes back and says "But someone might care for so-and-so's so-called nonsense, Obi!--of us on the forum could agree that there are two or three folks here who are, if not the "root" causes of the recent issues, at least major causes.

I'd propose a trial-by-peers and/or mods process for people deemed to deliberately spam the forum or attack others outside the bounds of reasonable debate--that is, attacking someone's position is fine, once you get into name-calling and slurs, you're beyound the bounds of reasonable debate--and those "convicted" would be suspended from the forums for a bit.

Not GAMES, mind you, just the forum, so it's not a ban (though it could be if they keep it up after 2 or 3 suspensions.)
Victorious (768 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
And how do you see that trial by peers happening?

Maybe a button on a profile, when pushed by at least 30 different users in a certain period atomaticaly put a ban on people?
And what if they create a new account?
ulytau (541 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
Just your regular moblynching witchhunt, nothing fancy.
Sicarius (673 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
fuck you
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Sep 11 UTC
Blow it out your ass
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Sep 11 UTC
I'll rip your head off and shit down your neck
ulytau (541 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
Been there, done that. Next.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Sep 11 UTC
Go on, suck it up; but hurry, I got nuts to bust
And butts to fuck and ups to shut and sluts to fuckin' uppercut
It's OF buttercup: go ahead, fuck with us
Without a doubt, a sure-fire way to get your mother fucked
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Sep 11 UTC
how bout them apples
ulytau (541 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Lyrics by someone who is roughly the same age as KA are invalid.
largeham (149 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10137120.jpg
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Sep 11 UTC
Earl Sweatshirt is rap's savior. I don't care how young he is, in fact the fact that he's around my age makes him even more legit.

Snoop was 18. The Tribe was 18. Whatever. 17 is the same thing.
ulytau (541 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
He was probably 15 when he wrote that. And rap doesn't need saviours, it's quite fine really.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
1. A trial by the mods, I guess, Victorius...the accuser and accusee make there cases, and then the mods vote or so...something like that.

2. WTF Thucy???

3. I'll freely admit it's not my thing, at all, whatsoever, it just isn't, sort of like cricket, no matter how hard I might try and understand or get into it, I just can't...

But after I had to analyze Nas' "Fried Chicken" as a POEM in African-American Lit...

Yeah--I have no faith in rap. Period.

I'm sorry, that just broke it for me.

Nas=17 pages of Obi rage on how much I hate hate hate hate hate that damn song on the grounds of it being "poetry," and maybe it's good as a song, I wouldn't know or care, but for songs, I care about lyrics first...

And that "poem" really just fucking broke rap for me, period.

Let it die, I say, or at least let it stay confined to the Music section and be happy to be called that by those who enjoy it, fine...

When we, as a culture, go from "Beauty is truth, truth Beauty" and "April is the cruelest month..." to "Ain't that some shit I'm a eat some shit until what I'm eating kills me And I choose to do that, why? 'Cause that's just what niggaz do"...

Poetry is thoroughly gang-raped.
>black rapper
>gang-rape

RACIST
Fasces349 (0 DX)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Which ammendment is free speech? Cause I plead that....
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Gang-rape has nothing to do with race and Mobile didn't refer to black rappers other than talk of how he had to analyze a particular piece of rap in an African American lit class.

So the question is, are you projecting your own racism?
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Obi, not mobile.
Nope, I'm trolling.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Eden, a real troll would have said this:

Its not racism when its true!
Good trolls are logically consistent... calling someone out on racism as a troll, then being racist? Not logically consistent -> not a good troll
Fasces349 (0 DX)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Actually I disagree, I make sure I am not logically consistent when I troll, however around 80% of the time I don't get caught, its kinda amusing.

However this site is significantly better at catching my inconsistencies then the other sites I troll. So congrats to Webdiplomacy.


Also I wasn't being racist up there...
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
21 Sep 11 UTC
This forum is private not public property.
The mods can do anything they want with it, but of course if what they want conflicts with the wishes of the non-mods who use the site it will soon be empty.

Therefore this forum is simply a functioning market.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
...I bash a rapper--and not even the rapper so much as the notion of calling his music, or any popular music, relaly, poetry--and that's RACIST?

...

Would it help if I went to the Whitey-White Side and said I'd say the same about Eminem's rap music, or, hell, to go whiter-than-Conan and into the Way Back Machine, Vanilla Ice's...

ANY RAP, really, ANY popular music =/= poetry as they are DIFFERENT MEDIUMS with DIFFERENT STANDARDS.

I said that Nas' piece MIGHT have been a good rap.

I DID say that.

But the standards for a 3-minute song and for poetry are different.

For popular music, you have background music and a performance aspect of dancing and singing and cinematography and the like built in.

THUS, the lyrics are GENERALLY not as dense as they might be in, say, something like "The Waste Land" or a Sylvia Plath poem.

THOSE pieces ONLY have the words to convey images, sounds, and other sensations and feelings, so the metaphors and similies and all the rest are denser, the whole piece is denser and more word-centric, whereas in a popular music piece, it's a blend of different aspects of art.

And HERE, I'm going to call in my biggest surprise witness ever...

LADY GAGA.

YES.

I am going to call in the person who's work I wrote one of my longest--seriously, that mess was a BEAST of a block essay, looking back!--and most scathing posts ever on as an EXEMPLAR of what I mean.

Now, when I did that post, and talked about "Bad Romance," I mentioned the cinematography as being GREAT, the angles and colors as being GREAT, the blocking and directing as being EXCITING...

And the music was shit, in my opinion, as is Lady Gaga's voice, but hey, that's just my opinion, you're free to have your own. ;)

But the point of all this--before I go on another Gaga-sized rant--is the lyrics and, indeed, the song, I felt, was weak...

But there were OTHER elements present to prop those up to an extent, and while I still consider the actual music and lyrics crap, I CAN see wehre someone might call the piece, as a whole, at least creative.

But again--the lyrics were NOT the full, 100% focus of the piece, so they not only could afford to be less dense than poetic verse, I'd say they HAD to be...denser lyrics would make it difficult to focus on that AND the richness of the performance aspect.

UNL0IKE POETRY.

THERE IT IS ALL LYRICAL, 100% WORD-BASED.

Homer or Dante or Shakespeare or Milton...
Tennyson or Keats or Shelley or Browning...
Lawrence or Eliot or Plath or Hardy...
Sonnet or Epic or Ode or Free Verse...

WHOEVER and WHATEVER it is...

ALL that counts in poetry, what receives 100% of the density of effort and the emphasis of the artist, are the WORDS and WORD STRUCTURE, ie, the TEXT.

The same is not and cannot be the same for a rap song or pop song or a song in a musical or, for that matter, a song in an opera--

Hence so much lyrical repetition in musicals and operas--not only are there other elements at work, and so the words aren't the only focus, it can be argued they're not even always the PRIMARY focus, so the repetition in arias and in musical numbers is a case of the lyrics complementing the richness and density MUSIC, not the other way around.

SO, I'd again say:

MAYBE as a rap Nas' work is good.
I don't know.
Rap isn't my genre any more than Country or Metal is.
But it does NOT work was poetry, as it is then being judged unfairly--

Without the jusic, without the singers, without the dancers, without the cinematography, without the staging and direction...

It'd be like trying to evaluate a movie as a radio program--

A vital part of the artistic quality of the piece
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
...IS MISSING!

Imagine trying to review 2001: A Space Odyssey, a HUGELY visual film, as a radio show, and THAT, in my view, is akin to reviewing a piece of popular music like Nas' raps as poetry.

So it is NOT based on Race, AT ALL, but on the features of the art itself and udner what category it may be fairly placed in and judged as.

You wouldn't judge 2001 the same as you would a radio show.

I don't jduge a rap song as I would a poem.
LordoftehNubz (100 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
Holy crap wordy Obi is wordy.
"Therefore this forum is simply a functioning market."

Yes, introducing forum bans will make this like the government, which we all know is bad.
FUCK YES TROLL SUCCESS

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Thucydides (864 D(B))
19 Sep 11 UTC
The Smoke-Filled Room
aka The Webdiplomacy Forum Palor, or LPTPW2. Cool people hang out in this thread.
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Agent K (0 DX)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Ghost July Game Uno
finished. comment at will. gameID=64209
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