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brainbomb (290 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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There will be no indictment
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_581f8ff5e4b0aac62485196a
Let that sink in. Checkmate
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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
09 Nov 16 UTC
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To Americans
Learn from this mistake. When given a chance to elect someone like Bernie again, do it. Don't go for the person that's a part of the establishment. It could've been Bernie getting ready for his victory speech now. You threw that chance away when you LET the establishment decide Bernie wouldn't win. Learn from this mistake so that you don't make it again. Better luck next time.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
08 Nov 16 UTC
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Election Central
Post political predictions, petitions, and prayers here and only here for the next 48 hours.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
08 Nov 16 UTC
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ADVERTISE YOUR VICTORY PARTIES HERE
Advertise your victory parties here and only here.
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TrPrado (461 D)
08 Nov 16 UTC
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TrPrado Victory Party
That's right, we're looking ahead to 2048, when I've won that presidential election.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
08 Nov 16 UTC
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Philadelphia Eagles Victory Party
Error: 404 - wins not found
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Nov 16 UTC
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I'm at Carnage!
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JECE (1248 D)
05 Nov 16 UTC
RIP phpDiplomacy
It looks like phpdiplomay.net stopped working recently.

Have we forever lost our old URL?
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
08 Nov 16 UTC
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Bernie Sanders Victory Party
POTUS bros. He can still win this!
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sleepsinallday (130 D)
05 Nov 16 UTC
Polarization Self-Assessment Thread
Politics has changed A LOT in the past ten years ago. In this thread, I'd like to encourage you all to think about your past political views and how greatly you've polarized over time. What issues do you care about today vs then? Why? Any original ideas or do you rely on the media for cues? Interested to hear some real self-assessment here! :)
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brainbomb (290 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
absolutely, I went to catholic school for 12 years. that being said, who gives a fuck.
JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
@brainbomb

give me 24 hours.
Yoyoyozo (65 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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Pro Choice
Pro free trade
Anti protectionism
Pro climate change legislation
Pro education
Somewhat of a Keynesian pro- capitalism
Pro social safety net
Ogion (3882 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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I have to confess bewilderment at anyone who professes to support conservativism out of fiscal concerns. Apparently it has escaped someone's notice that Republicans invariably blow up the deficit and often the economy and Democrats improve the fisc reliably. Tax cuts for the rich, combined with expenditures on expensive toys for the military makes one fiscally irresponsible. Democrats may spend on social investment, but they support tax increases to pay for it. economic growth, employment and even the stock market seemingly always fair better under Democrats, in part because they don't by supply side economics, which are comprehensively discredited by now.

I am motivated by compassion and a sense of justice. This makes me a strong environmentalist as well as a social liberal, and view social justice as the main purpose of political activities. I am also an atheist and scientist, so the notions of treating gays or women unjustly on that basis is not something I have much patience with. If religious people want to do whatever, that's fine by me, but inflicting suffering on others based on it is not. So, racism, sexism, homophobia are strongly opposed. I also don't think it's anyone's business whether women have abortions or not, but if you don't like that, then advocate for widespread and free birth control.

I am also heavily data driven, so I find the paranoia and panic over "national security" ridiculous. More Americans are killed by falling televisions than by terrorists. Frankly, terrorism is a non-issue in my book, and if we were concerned, we should be focusing on right wing Christian terrorism which is more prevalent than Islamist terrorism in any event. Of course, cops kill and terrorize far more people each year than both put together. We are NOT under threat of invasion, which means our military is bloated beyond all reason. We don't need to have a military that's bigger than all others combined times three or whatever it is now. A reduction would be useful.

I also think that international cooperation and international law are critical to alleviating suffering worldwide. This, paradoxically, makes me occassionally hawkish. Economically, I think free markets have been shown to be a usefulif crude tool and invariably fail if left unregulated. (Calling off the referees makes for a dirty sport.)

Also, I'm strongly in support of science and the arts, there's a great deal good that comes from it, and capitalism isn't going to get the job done.

Mostly, I believe bo-sox is right. This is a terrible idea.
JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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@Ogion

"and Democrats improve the fisc reliably."

um... no. Let's go after LBJ for a landmark, Carter was bad for the debt: he helped stop inflation though, but debt is a no. Clinton never had a surplus. by TODAY'S budgetary standards, he increased the deficit. we didn't count social security and other public funds then, which he took MILLIONS from. Obama? don't even kid. not been good for the debt. -not defending Bush, but Obama has been poor.

"Tax cuts for the rich"

Those are assholes. "Tax cuts for ALL" is mainstream Republican though

"combined with expenditures on expensive toys for the military makes one fiscally irresponsible."

actually, the "toys" have been developed under Obama a LOT. Talk about drones? SA missile tech? missile defense tech? Obama. I'm fine with it, but let's get our facts straight. Bush wanted a bigger military, Obama's still putting out the money.

"economic growth, employment and even the stock market seemingly always fair better under Democrats"

ummm.... ok. Democrats get elected in recovery eras historically, but i've still yet to see proof that recovery wouldn't occur without them.

"in part because they don't by supply side economics, which are comprehensively discredited by now."

actually, the mathematical analysis of the supply side of the market is accepted by many liberals. It's not practical, but the math has helped a lot. Besides, it's not like Keynes was any better than Hayek.

"Frankly, terrorism is a non-issue in my book, and if we were concerned, we should be focusing on right wing Christian terrorism which is more prevalent than Islamist terrorism in any event."

numbers. NOW. and yes i know the uganda conflicts, but compare that to ISIS. you lose.

"Of course, cops kill and terrorize far more people each year than both put together."

nope. nope. ISIS. done. you are bad. you are wrong.

"we are NOT under threat of invasion, which means our military is bloated beyond all reason."

non-sequitur. we support all of western europe through our military and they accept it with open arms. Why didn't Obama in 2008 with BOTH houses of congress make SERIOUS cuts??? b/c they understand that the military is one of the greatest social programs. So much of the military is comprised of the lower class, 80% of marine entries have an addiction of some kind.

"I also think that international cooperation and international law are critical to alleviating suffering worldwide."

agreed. and has Obama been successful? no. simply no.

"and capitalism isn't going to get the job done."

240 years of a single written constitution. we're getting the job done, and we're getting better everyday.
JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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oh wait, Ogion muted me.

hahaha that silly liberal fruitcake
"Clinton never had a surplus. by TODAY'S budgetary standards, he increased the deficit"

Lmao, wtf?

It's hard to take you seriously when you literally deny stats which can be easily googled up. And no, these stats aren't from 'liberal media brainwashing websites', I'm talking about govt data, independent data
peterlund (1310 D(G))
06 Nov 16 UTC
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Great write-up Ogion! I could not have said most of the things i a better way. There is some hope for America after all :)

"I have to confess bewilderment at anyone who professes to support conservativism out of fiscal concerns. Apparently it has escaped someone's notice that Republicans invariably blow up the deficit and often the economy and Democrats improve the fisc reliably. Tax cuts for the rich, combined with expenditures on expensive toys for the military makes one fiscally irresponsible. Democrats may spend on social investment, but they support tax increases to pay for it. economic growth, employment and even the stock market seemingly always fair better under Democrats, in part because they don't by supply side economics, which are comprehensively discredited by now."

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"I am motivated by compassion and a sense of justice. This makes me a strong environmentalist as well as a social liberal, and view social justice as the main purpose of political activities. I am also an atheist and scientist, so the notions of treating gays or women unjustly on that basis is not something I have much patience with. If religious people want to do whatever, that's fine by me, but inflicting suffering on others based on it is not. So, racism, sexism, homophobia are strongly opposed. I also don't think it's anyone's business whether women have abortions or not, but if you don't like that, then advocate for widespread and free birth control."

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"I am also heavily data driven, so I find the paranoia and panic over "national security" ridiculous. More Americans are killed by falling televisions than by terrorists. Frankly, terrorism is a non-issue in my book, and if we were concerned, we should be focusing on right wing Christian terrorism which is more prevalent than Islamist terrorism in any event. Of course, cops kill and terrorize far more people each year than both put together."

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"We are NOT under threat of invasion, which means our military is bloated beyond all reason. We don't need to have a military that's bigger than all others combined times three or whatever it is now. A reduction would be useful."

On this issue I have another way of thinking. Security is global and security is a common problem which all democratic countries need to solve together.

The things that need to be defended are not territory or national powers. The thing that need to be defended is yours and mine personal freedoms, civil rights, our right to express ourselves freely and be part of the decision processes locally, regionally, nationally and globally. It is our democratic systems that allows us take part in those processes. This is what we need to defend and that is a global problem for all of us.

The threat to all this is in general the undemocratic regimes that reign in many small and big countries. Those leaders do not have the best of their citizens in mind when ruling, but instead they mostly think about enriching themselves by adding money to their overseas Swiss, Panama or Dubai bank accounts. In order to continue enriching themselves and also to stay out of prison, they cling on to power using any means they feel is needed to do so: invent a terrorist threat, start a coup, invent a foreign power threat, boost nationalistic or religious feelings and even in extreme cases conduct a genocide on their own citizen or start a war and occupy a neighboring country.

For us it is crucial to counter the threats that these undemocratic regimes pose and the best tool for this is the NATO alliance. The last 5 years Russia has continued to increase their military spendings building up their capabilities (as part of a nationalistic agenda). We need to not counter this so Russia continues to find military aggression futile leading nowhere. This is required to maintain world peace and to protect our freedoms where we live anywhere on the planet.

"I also think that international cooperation and international law are critical to alleviating suffering worldwide. This, paradoxically, makes me occassionally hawkish. Economically, I think free markets have been shown to be a usefulif crude tool and invariably fail if left unregulated. (Calling off the referees makes for a dirty sport.)"

Yes the market economy is the best tool for improving conditions in the developing world. African countries that have a well functioning justice system combined with market economy are the African countries that are most well off. Those who have embarked on any kind of socialist route are not well off at all.

"Also, I'm strongly in support of science and the arts, there's a great deal good that comes from it, and capitalism isn't going to get the job done."

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"Mostly, I believe bo-sox is right. This is a terrible idea."

I did not feel like I had the energy to write anything up on this subject, but great that you did most of the writing for me. I basically just needed to agree. :)
teacon7 (306 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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@Ogion
...I believe you mentioned "right wing christian terrorism"? Can you give some examples of this, at home or abroad?
peterlund (1310 D(G))
06 Nov 16 UTC
One "not" too many there. It should have been "We need to COUNTER this"
@Ogion I can see why people support abortion:

-women would have unsafe abortions if abortion was banned (this I agree with, which is why I support sex education, contraceptive use (with the exception of those that lead to the termination of the zygote), government support for single mothers and teenage mothers, etc etc.)

But the point about the woman's reproductive autonomy is something I find very questionable. When we're artificially drawing a line between 'right to human life' and 'no right to human life', it's pretty questionable. We are artificially defining a time of development at which life begins. If you asked yourself honestly whether you thought having abortions are a good thing, I'm pretty sure that a very small minority would agree that it is a good thing, and that most would agree that abortions are undesirable.

Again, I raise the point that a more advanced society in the future may see abortions the same way as we see undesirable social practices in the past in history, such as perhaps female infanticide (which may or may not have been justifiable from a practical point of view but is certainly viewed morally wrong in a modern day context).
peterlund (1310 D(G))
06 Nov 16 UTC
"Very left wing economically; fairly centrist socially."

You forgot "Narrow-minded nationalism" !
leon1122 (190 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
Gen. Lee, "At 18 I voted Rep bc my Mom did for social issues. Then I went to college....Now I continue to vote Rep based on fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility. However give me a third party that has the same economic principles and drops all the social issues and that's my preferred candidate."

College indoctrinated you on the "right" way to think about social issues.


In regards to abortion, I am pro-abortion, though not because I'm pro-choice or anything like that. Abortions mean fewer births, which reduces the strain on our resources and prevents children from being born into a miserable world that their parents can't afford (and taxpayers have to pay for) and improves the standard of living for everyone else. Abortion is a good way of voluntary population control. Quite frankly, I would support having a 3-child policy.
Durga (3609 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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leon1122 and Hellenic Riot appear to be at opposite ends but are actually the same.
@leon1122 the US fertility rate is 1.87 births per woman [2016 estimate; CIA World Factbook]

Replacement fertility rate for the US is 2.1 [Govt bureau]
Fertility rate has been hovering at about 2.0 birth per woman for the last 20 years, and had larger fluctuations before that
Yoyoyozo (65 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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"I am pro-abortion, though not because I believe women deserve rights or anything like that"
-leon1122
Reasons why women choose to have abortions include:
-Interference with work, school, other responsibilities
-Not being able to afford a child
-Did not want to be a single parent
-Relationship problems
-Parents want them to have an abortion
-Preventing others from knowing that they had sex or became pregnant
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3243347]
(Note that I am not arguing for or against abortion based on these facts; I am just pointing them out)
Octavious (2701 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
Hmm, monitoring the change in your own political views over a decade is quite tricky. Looking at former political quizzes suggests that not a lot has changed in the past five, but some issues that didn't really exist before have certainly come to prominence...

Regular bin collection is something I'm deeply in favour of. Recycling I generally see as a positive, but every effort should be made to make it as intuitive and simple as possible.

Highway maintenance is a core issue. Potholes are a disgrace, and silly little patches on a road that clearly needs resurfacing is a false economy.

The shocking discrimination against people with long legs on buses still continues and must be stopped.

Also slightly terrified by HRs state provided hooker idea. Can you imagine what you'd end up with after the state has had its way? Hi viz body condoms for advanced health and safety, the inability to discriminate against the ugly ones, and reams of paperwork to fill in. Nothing like completing a DP1069 Double Penetration Hazard Risk Assessment form to put you in the mood. Damn you and your crazed Leftist thinking!
principians (881 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
Previously, I was not such a fan of marijuana legalization. Now, I think it really needs to be legalized
Ogion (3882 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
@Teacon

Well, there's Oklahoma City, the #2 all time terrorist attack of course, plus a lot of smaller ones.

This list doesn't include, for example, the murder of the two Iowa policemen (somehow a black guy kills some cops and it is on the new for days and people blame #blacklivesmatter, an expressly nonviolent protest movement. A right wing white guy does the same thing acting out an expressly violent alt-right ideology: crickets. That tells you a lot), the Charleston church shootings, the recent burning of black churches last year, the attempted bombing of the MLK parade in Spokane. Those are just the ones off the top of my head not mentioned below.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men
Ogion (3882 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
@tropical

Actually, even talking about "life" is pretty artificial. A cancer cells has life, too. Are we banning chemotherapy? In fact, the argument about autonomy is pretty key. No where else in our law can you compel someone to take actions to save someone else's life at risk to their own. Only women are subject to this.

This business of getting all worked up about abortifacient contraception is pure nonsense. There is precisely zero scientific basis for that, because we're talking about a clump of cells, not all that different from our cancer cell. At most, you might have an argument after substantial development of the brain. Before that there really is no credible argument
Ogion (3882 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
Actually, peterlund, back at you. What you describe about the rationale for a robust military are for those exact purposes. That's why I was pitching a reduction, followed by the need for international order. Clearly, there are times when military action is needed to stop major violations of international law. Also pushing back against regimes like Putin's is pretty important to keeping the peace through deterrence.
JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
@Tropical

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-837799
JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

this has better details
JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
@Tropical

"Clinton never had a surplus. by TODAY'S budgetary standards, he increased the deficit"

Lmao, wtf?

"It's hard to take you seriously when you literally deny stats which can be easily googled up. And no, these stats aren't from 'liberal media brainwashing websites', I'm talking about govt data, independent data"
JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
this is what i'm responding to
I don't know if I would qualify as polarizing. I have gone from an Democratic leaning independent to a Republican leaning independent. Now I am more of an anti-incumbent leaning independent (except for the presidential race. I think both candidates are terrible and will vote for neither.)

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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
28 Oct 16 UTC
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Im bored, and I havn't played in ages 2.0
I'd like to set up a round of games to stretch some old diplomacy muscles.
not fussed about pot size but im looking to start a round of games with 6 others.
Games will be 24-36 hours, gunboat, SoS, hidden draws
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LordPulpo (165 D)
08 Nov 16 UTC
Game starting without a full roster?
If a game hasn't been filled with players by the time it is scheduled to start, what happens? Does the game terminate or start anyway?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Nov 16 UTC
Best line of today.
... See inside
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Duhbill (105 D)
07 Nov 16 UTC
Live Game Discussion
Why is it that all (or most rather) live games are gunboat these days? I miss playing a fast game where people actually communicate and work together like how most of the games on here are played. Any idea why? D:
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President Eden (2750 D)
05 Nov 16 UTC
Come Make Diplomacy Great Again with me!
gameID=185056

Competitive buy-in, sum of squares scoring cuz we play to WIN and win BIGLY here. Identities and draw votes public, no private positions allowed here. All are welcome if you can nimbly navigate the points wall. Make great deals, have fun, WIN, make Diplomacy great again!!
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
07 Nov 16 UTC
New High Quality Game
I made this incredibly high quality game with high quality settings for high quality players, but none of them want to join for some reason.

So the password is fuckghug, go ahead and join if you want to: gameID=185256
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Yoyoyozo (65 D)
07 Nov 16 UTC
PJ Gunboat (the return - yet again) Results and Discussion
So 3 of the games are already finished. Someone wanted me to dig up the original thread but it's locked. Long live the thread.
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Red-Lion (382 D)
05 Nov 16 UTC
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Post here if you're a member of
the triple digit, mile-high RR club! 100% Reliability rating here!

Just noticed that blackmongoose was also checking in at 100%. Good man!
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Fluminator (1500 D)
02 Nov 16 UTC
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Post in this thread and positivity
Lately I feel I've been too cynical and negative so I need to change that.
Post something, a person or thing and I'll find something positive about it.
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Magnus Chase (94 DX)
06 Nov 16 UTC
Sorry Moderators
I have to go because I didn't plan my timing well:
Sorry for interrupting the live game and going CD:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=185188
Good luck to all still playing.
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ND (879 D)
05 Nov 16 UTC
Democratic Elector refuses to back Clinton
A Democratic Elector in the Electoral College refuses to vote for Clinton. This means that Clinton now needs 271 electoral votes to win!
http://www.ksla.com/story/33631175/the-latest-wa-democratic-elector-wont-vote-for-clinton
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stranger (525 D)
05 Nov 16 UTC
players wanted for a good old game of dip
Hello y'all I'd like to play a good game, wasn't really active on this site for a few years now but I played the game f2f a few times this summer and would love to get into the online variant of it a bit more again.

Anyone keen?
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Pompeii (638 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
Crimes Against Borders
gameID=182808 looking back at this old game and just noticing how absolutely atrocious the borders were at several points during the game. Any of you have any games where the border gore makes you cringe?
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Durga (3609 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
Social media is hard
Look at this cool new page that I'm sure the mod team just simply forgot to promote!! I'm sure they'd tell you to go like it if they remembered:

https://www.facebook.com/WebDiplomacy-615134375314283/
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JamesYanik (548 D)
06 Nov 16 UTC
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Question about site mechanics
if you mute somebody, and they create a thread, do you still see the thread, or do you have to mute that in-turn too?

just a quick question - nothing big. or polarizing. post answer inside along with non-polarizing details
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
02 Nov 16 UTC
Can't tell if this is right or left wing...
Universal basic income championed by the right in Canada?

Am i correct in assuming that this seems odd?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Nov 16 UTC
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Inner city violence
Reddit AMA about reducing violence: https://m.reddit.com/r/science/comments/5b35qu/science_ama_series_im_charlie_ransford_director/
Any thoughts?
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brainbomb (290 D)
02 Nov 16 UTC
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Vote Arbys - we have the meats
.
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Ezio (2181 D)
03 Nov 16 UTC
Viable Strategies for Austria
Whenever I play Austria I feel like I'm strategically forced to attack Turkey. I think that if Turkey isn't killed in the early game, he is basically forced based to go through Austria if he wants to reach the rest of the world. I know that this can't be the case, but I don't see the other strategies.
I would love to learn of some other options for Austria so I don't do the same thing every time I get it.
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brainbomb (290 D)
03 Nov 16 UTC
Takes bow
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=184989&msgCountryID=0
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