Here's how feminism reduces abortions:

When women get a say in what kind of sex they have, and how often, and how many children they have, and just get more of a say generally, guess what happens:

Less Unwanted Pregnancies.

And guess what that means - less abortions

We have 8000 years that Christian sex ed is effective?

@Thucy: how many feminists do you know that are pro choice?

@valis: not Christian, specifically, but we have thousands upon thousands of years where sex education was not the means to limit unwanted pregnancy.

@TN

A lot, what's your point? As semck pointed out, feminism is a broad term and you can be pro-feminist but against abortion.

Labeling yourself a feminist is a huge spectrum now. You can be a feminist like Thucy said above, "When women get a say in what kind of sex they have, and how often, and how many children they have, and just get more of a say generally." Or you can be though crazy women who rip off their shirts and attack people they consider to be sexist.

While I agree with Thucy on the above, I do not with some of the craziness. Therefore, back to Thucy's original point, I do consider myself a feminist (not bra-burning, but equal rights. Including the right to be a housewife.) and I am for the legalization of all non-abortifacient birth control, and for sex education (though not necessarily the kind currently taught in public school... Because it is obviously working SO well...). I am especially for adoption, having adopted children in my family as well.

*though -> those

"This is fucking sick, I mean... those asshooles talking about baby body parts like commodities, justifying it because of laws..."

Don't be silly, JY. That human beings, aborted or not, are commodities is hardly a new feature of society.

As to the rest of you, I put this question: what would you do with the body parts once the abortion has been completed? There are numerous potential benefits for scientific testing, etc., so would it not be a good idea to sell them? It seems logical to me that you would want to recoup some of the costs associated with abortions (I don't know if Planned Parenthood charges for abortions or whatever, but I imagine it is at least subsidised) in a mutually beneficial trade.

I mean, it's not like they can make necklaces out of 'em.

That article gave me a concussion.

@Thucy,

"Here's how feminism reduces abortions:

"When women get a say in what kind of sex they have, and how often, and how many children they have, and just get more of a say generally, guess what happens:"

Thanks for the clarification. I support women having a say in what kind of sex they have and how often, as well as a say generally.

Listen and learn sem. Prophet Thucydides is just trying to help us benighted folk.

Oh THANK YOU THUCY!!! Jesus lives!

How do you guys over there think that this will impact on the presidential election?
What has Hilary got to say on the matter? How will this impact on the Hispanic vote?

It might interest you to know that coverage of this story is around zero in the UK. For example, it doesn't appear anywhere on the BBC news home page. I have to say that doesn't surprise me in the least.

I don't see it impacting the Presidential election at all if the CMP's videos continue to be approximately as they are right now. It might lead to the ending of public funds for Planned Parenthood, depending how many Democrats feel pressure from home to override a veto. That, too, would require more than has currently happened.

Thanks semck. I guess I hoped that you would say that the Hispanic vote could be a game changer and that this issue would prove crucial in its allocation. Maybe that idiot Trump has derailed this already (?)

On the subject at hand the videos are more than distasteful, they are obscene. If you watch the full length versions they only get more so. To give but one example:

The talk of varying the abortion technique employed to enhance the recovery of tissues in demand (aka more expensive) such as the liver was obscene. And all over a nice salad lunch - that bitch should be struck off.

Abortion word games come to an end:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/abortion-word-games-come-to-end-b99547010z1-319535031.html

^^^^ Once again, changing the technique of an abortion to collect more body parts is illegal

Hey Fiedler any time Man, love ya

This just in! White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest says these videos are fraudulent! His source? Why Planned Parenthood of course!

I never knew it was so easy to get the White House to say exactly what you want them to say... Maybe they can direct some new players to webDip if we ask nicely?

I think we need we webDip lobby.

Agreed. Any volunteers? I am sure zultar can afford someone to do that ;)

http://democracynow.org/stories/15400

The page you were looking for does not exist.

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15400

Oops.

Ironic, isn't it? The courts protect their favorites, not allowing the pro-life organization to release the names of anyone involved in their stings. But it is *totally* OK for the anti-life side to put out names. No hypocrisy here.

When you say "sting", you mean "entirely fabricated pack of lies", right? Because that's what this is, an entirely fabricated pack of lies.

Even in the edited video it's clear PP aren't selling body parts. Women choose to donate those, of their own volition sometimes to support medical research. Nobody forces them to, nobody pays them.

You may not agree with abortion, but clearly not everyone agrees.

@thorfi,

Whether PP is selling body parts illegally is not entirely clear from the videos so far released. There is some genuine evidence that they are, and some that they are not, so it is ambiguous.

However, the videos are not an "entirely fabricated pack of lies." PP did in fact say the things claimed, and many find those horrifying enough, irrespective of the technicalities with respect to the law.

Two points:
The executives at Planned Parenthood are a well paid bunch. Any income stream into the organisation serves to support their pay. Formally then, although the organisation is defined as not for profit, individuals do profit from this.
If the so called costs are a fixed amount, why do the negotiators talk of 'low balls' etc? Answer - they are negotiating to get their best price. They are even offering to 'improve' their product in order to get a better price. All sounds pretty commercial to me.

Hold your hats for the next instalments. Intact foetus'/babies command a premium price. Live births? Who then is the patient? One thing I am sure of is that Nelson or pretend it isn't happening tactics will be employed at that point, just as they were with those late abortions and murders in Philadelphia a couple of years back.

Didn't take too long: here it is:

http://liveactionnews.org/planned-parenthood-video-reveals-possibility-babies-born-alive-killed/

Sounds like Kermit Gosnell to me and he got convicted of murder. At the very least it is an obvious breaking of the Hippocratic Oath and those abortionists should as a minimum be struck off. An extract:

'' I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.''

Wait, isn't a paid adoption also "selling off baby parts for money?" Except it's a whole baby after it's born, right?

Paid adoption is a legal term because sell people is also called slavery. Technically the money is to pay "expenses" instead of buying a baby, because that's illegal.

Even with an over supply of babies in the US that could be adopted, there is still strong demand for foreign babies. That's because it's less likely that the parents will try to get the children back at a later date. Though it does happen when the babies weren't legally adoptable because the parents hadn't permitted it. But American rights trump foreign family rights.

Meanwhile Indiana investigations cleared Planned Parenthood:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/07/31/indiana-clears-planned-parenthood-of-wrongdoing/204705

''Wait, isn't a paid adoption also "selling off baby parts for money?" Except it's a whole baby after it's born, right? ''

Second/Third trimester abortions are definately ''whole babies''. I dont suppose that you will watch it but here is a link for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53tzMV9OmvY

Indeed, those are the dead babies that are sold by Planned Parenthood as their body parts are the most useful.

PS was it tough for you to use that 'baby' word? Are you sure that you didn't mean 'foetus' or 'product of conception'?