@ssorenn- That may be some of the reason why my RR is bad. I tend to NMR in protest quite often. I dont know, I just feel like it wastes everyother players time which is 5 players. I don't mind a CD in press games because you can negotiate alliances against the benefitting nation but in regular low bid GB games you cant do that.

Then don't play those. Solved.

Thank you all for coming out, Any further questions, please refer to my PM......goodnight

If you feel a game is compromised beyond repair, put up a Cancel vote. Then keep playing.

If you solo while having a Cancel vote up, it's their own damn fault.

I leave my votes up for 2 or 3 years. At that point, if I'm ahead, I play on.

So when someone is wasting time you NMR in protest which wastes more time?

RRs are active now. I can't wait for the RR game join filter going to go active.

entering all holds is as simple as a single click of a button

"I tend to NMR in protest quite often."

In protest of what? Other people NMRing?

"I tend to NMR in protest quite often."

And this is why we made RR.

see I have never thought of simply entering all holds. It just never occurred to me.

normally because when this situation occurs I am too pissed to think of much else except how pissed I am.

"I tend to cut off my nose to spite my face quite often."
-CommanderByron

"When I am pissed, nobody else matters.
-Commander Byron

"I appreciate all of these misquotes" - CommanderByron

@the forum at large:

my thoughts on CDs and how to handle them based on who is CDing:

IF I AM CDing: it's a life emergency that far outweighs a game. If it's just a temporary thing, then I'll pause the game or find a sub. I have two CDs from such emergencies.

IF SOMEONE ELSE CDs AND...

--im going to benefit: I take the solo if I can. NMR's and CD's happen. You gotta take a solo any way you can get it. I treat every game like it's part of a tournament. I don't play this game to feel good. I play to win. If I played this game to feel good, then I would quit every time I got stabbed. There's no dishonor in soling when an opportunity presents itself. It's Diplomacy. We lie, cheat and steal in this game and THAT is no less dishonoring than soloing when a CD occurs. Each person sets their standards at different levels. Some have no problem doing far less "moral" things. For example: if you give me your password and we ever play in a game together, I have no problem logging into your username and reading your press. Some may not go that far, but it's no different than listening into someone else's conversation.

--if someone else will benefit and possibly solo: then I call for a draw. I DO NOT CANCEL. I want the CD to be a permanent part of someone's record. I draw because I will probably lose otherwise. If the person that benefits the most won't draw, then I pitch a fit, I band with the rest of the board, I fight back, I whine, kick, scream and bemoan the unfairness of the situation. I DO NOT QUIT. I use whatever means I have available to tip the game in my favor.

FYI: CDs are a part of the persons record even if the game is canceled.

Well, then doubly so when I draw :)

I figured that was the case, but better to be sure.

I took Tru Ninja to mean that he wants the actual *defeat* logged on the irresponsible players permanent record too. Of course, the drawback is that your win % would go down slightly with an extra draw on your own permanent record.

/Oh yeah, well don't get so distressed.

Tru_ninny, I don't play to feel good (that's what self-gratification is for), but I do play to have fun. And I can have fun even when stabbed. Which is good since my back seems to draw flames like moths to a dagger.

Note to self: zaneparks takes stabs well.

Note to self, never ask Tru Ninja to sit my account...

Wow, we crossposted a 'note to self'??

As it was prophesized.

+1 zanny

Don't get me wrong, I have fun playing the game. It's just that the game may not be fun in the moment. Hence my call that I don't play to feel good. The end result of any game is that it was fun.

@TMoW: I have sat accounts before. I try to let people know if they haven't changed their password since my sitting (ask Thucy on that one).

I wouldn't say *well*, abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz, but I do stop crying after a day or two.

zaneparks, you're alright.

I completely agree with CB. Everyone joined the game expecting a fair fight, and if that's not the case in 1901 people should be willing to cancel. I recently benefitted from a CD in a live game, but I don't remember anyone wanting to cancel and I ended up drawing anyway. If everyone wants to play, by all means let them play. But if someone has a problem with the balance of power, the concern should be addressed.

So everyone gang up against those who benefit from the CD and force them to Draw.