Lando,when a religion displays comtemptible characteristics, then it is worthy of hate.

Ask the women in Saudia Arabia that are demanding the simple right to drive a vehicle.
Ask the girls that get stoned to death for having sex.
Ask the ...how many peole have now been beheaded in Iraq?...Ask the ghosts of the beheaded how hey feel about Islam.

And then I dare you to find some ZIslamic spokeperson in the mainstream press and ask them how they feel about radical Islam.

The person here that is MOST comtempible is the pussified Liberal morons like you that sit idly by, giving a pass to a "religion" that excuses the abuse of women, and feel "convert or die" is a justifiable doctrine.

Fuck off, seriously.

The issue is that you fail to see evil when it is right before you eyes, because you are a pussified Libtard so hell-bent on not offending anyone...oh....but wait....you **thrive** on offending people....which makes my disgust for you all the more raging, because where you claim to be so fucking open minded and accepting of different ideas, in truth, you are the one that is hated-filled.

The difference between me and you is I hate the ACTIONS that people do, and the attributed philosophy that drives those actions. The attributed philosophy that THEY proclaim as they wield their knives and bombs, and the philosophy which is shared by a billion other SILENT souls who don't actually speak out against them.

You, on the other hand, hate people that point out obvious evil.

You are a pathetic human, and it sadden me that I have to share the same air as you.

Christians, on the other hand, would *never* condone such violence. I mean, ignoring sectarian violence in northern India (because they're mostly Muslim anyway so its probably their fault), Kony and the Lord's Resistance Army (but that's Africa so its mostly voodoo shit anyway), Catholic/Protestant clashes and terrorism in the UK (but thats, like, just soccer hooligans so it also doesn't count, Anders Breivik's massacre in Norway (but that was a gun rights issue not a religious issue), and the current CAR civil war (again, Africa, doesn't count). Also, doctors who provide abortions like George Tiller deserve to be killed anyway so that's all good.

But I forget sometimes that krellin is an expert on Muslim culture.

Islam is not a race.

So 2WL - you deny that Muslims in the Middle east deny basic rights to their women such as driving, and that in some Islamic countries it is perfectly aceptable to kill your daughters if you think they have commited certain sins?

Are you THAT fucking ignorant?

By your head-in-the-sand attitude, you would have been perfectly happy to keep slavery in place.

You have ZERO moral ground to stand on, moron.

It's hillarious watching morons like 2WL try to equate non-religious afiliate actions with religion in a vain attempt to defend the evil we see increasingly around us every day.

Truly pathetic.

And the difference between the violence commited by so-called christians is that the Christian community generally speak out AGAINST the actions of those few, as opposed to sitting silent as the Islamic community does.

Moron.

As for your Catholic / Protestant war in the UK - it's over, moron. Why? Because, partly with the help of Christians in the US involving themselves in the conflict, a resolution was found. God what a mind-numbed moron you are.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/political-cartoon/cartoon-shows-the-exact-problem-the-west-has-when-it-comes-to-fighting-radical-islamists

Posted only for the cartoon

Lando,

You have been silenced for 2 days for attacking other members in the forum: "Fucking disgusting hate-mongering American scum, as well as not following a simple request from me to email the mods/admins if there are site issues. I've seen people been silencing for much longer by you on Vdip. Before your comment, the discussion was civil. We do not need you to start incendiary comments just because you want to see drama on the forum. Thanks.

Krellin, please tone it down. We don't need to resort to that sort of language and ad hominems.

Please keep the discussion civil.

back to the old school ..... happy days !!

Sorry.

@Damian

Thank you for weighing in. Truly this is a difficult issue to tackle.

Unfortunately your statements seem pretty clearly to conflate violence (which is sometimes perpetrated by religious fundamentalists) with religious fundamentalists themselves.

While I understand that you are not an essentially hostile person, and that your mistake is an honest one, it is unfortunately a very racist mistake to make. Please consider expanding your thinking upon this issue.

krellin: "Ask the women in Saudia Arabia that are demanding the simple right to drive a vehicle." Wahhabis and Salafis (which are the major religious bases of Saudi Arabia) are highly critiqued by Muslims worldwide, and they together make up less than 10% of the Muslim population.
"Ask the girls that get stoned to death for having sex." Premarital sex is discouraged by Christianity as well, and not every Muslim is going to kill their daughter for that.
"Ask the ghosts of the beheaded how hey feel about Islam." Since most are Muslim (just like most victims of Muslim terrorism in the first place), they're probably fine with the religion. What they aren't fine with is terrorism making their religion look worse than it actually is.
"and feel "convert or die" is a justifiable doctrine." The National Liberation Front of Tripura is categorized by the Indian government as a Christian terrorist organization. In 2001, they forced 5000 people to convert to Christianity, and when 20 Hindus resisted, they were killed. Using a sweeping generalization similar to the one you used, Christians feel that join or die is a justifiable doctrine. Having grown up around both (Christian family and Muslim friends), I know that that is not true for either religion.
"which is shared by a billion other SILENT souls who don't actually speak out against them." I'd like to see your evidence for it because I know for sure that it's wrong. Terrorism is held by the vast majority of Muslims to be a violation of their religion because killing and bringing harm to the innocent is murder. Imams have criticized it, (Muslim/Middle-Eastern) government workers (and opposition workers, such as the Free Syrian Army) have criticized it, and Muslims civilians worldwide have criticized it. There is no silence. Just because you don't pay attention to them, doesn't mean they aren't crying out against terrorism.
"try to equate non-religious afiliate [sic] actions with religion" The LRA, which 2WL mentioned, isn't "non-religious" They are, in fact, a Christian fundamentalist group with a drive that is very religious.
"And the difference between the violence commited by so-called christians is that the Christian community generally speak out AGAINST the actions of those few, as opposed to sitting silent as the Islamic community does." See above responses in this post.

@ Al "Thank you for weighing in. Truly this is a difficult issue to tackle.

Unfortunately your statements seem pretty clearly to conflate violence (which is sometimes perpetrated by religious fundamentalists) with religious fundamentalists themselves.

While I understand that you are not an essentially hostile person, and that your mistake is an honest one, it is unfortunately a very racist mistake to make. Please consider expanding your thinking upon this issue."

Hello Al,
You are correct. I am conflating fundamentalism, with violence inspired by fundamentalism. Before I address that, I would like to address your comment on racism. Racism is an interesting term online, since a large number of individuals use it to describe things that fundamentally do no match the definition of the word. In this case, my previous posts suggest I believe religious fundamentalism is a problem. You may note that I do not specifically target islamic religious fundamentalists. Unless you wish to make the claim that fundamentalists of all religions are the same race. (Which would, ironically, be a racist claim), then it should become clear that I am not discriminating against, nor advocating hate against a particular race.

To return to the original point, it may be that not all fundamentalists are involved in aggressive and violent actions, however the very definition of a fundamentalist suggest that (whether they be a religious, or political fundamentalist), that they are unwilling to consider alternative beliefs. This is an intellectually indefensible position and in my opinion the cause of a large portion of the suffering in the world.

However, as you correctly point out, fundamentalism is not, fundamentally violent.
Thus to rephrase and expand my point of view, I condemn those who wish to turn their intolerance for others into violence, be it political or physical. Furthermore I condemn the tendency for individuals to respond to the initial violence by advocating violence against other peoples who share a common perspective with those responsible for the violence.

Does that adequately clear up my position for you Al?

@damian

It does, Sir, and more. You have spoken like a gentleman. I have no objections or disagreement with anything you've said here.

I find it deliciously ironic noting who the people are here who now suddenly think it's acceptable to blame all Muslims for the actions of some Muslims (and for not speaking out against these actions) when they have been so stridently critical of such an approach when it comes to Christianity (and conservatives).

Fascinating.

Putin -- You misunderstand me, or perhaps I haven't been complete in my explanation.

1. I do not "blame" all of Islam for the action of a radical few.
2. I DO blame all of Islam - and in particular the leadership of Islam, such as the leaders of Islamic community organziations - for being largely silent on the matter of Islamic violence in the world.
3. I do not "blame" **ANY** organization, generally speaking, for the choosen actions of a few.
4. I DO expect **ANY** organization to speak out against the actions of a few who commit evil IN THE NAME OF that organization.

You may pervert this concept as you wish -- I'm certain you will, and will twist words and selectively ignore facts in your attempt to do so....in which case I will predictably sigh and laugh at you and hang my head in sorrow - because I know you are more intelligent than this.

Where's krellin, what have you done with him?

Krellin, go down to your local mosque and ask the imam if he condones beheadings. Forget about rooting your phone and figure out how to root the ignorance from your brain before you generalize an entire faith based on the actions of a few.

Muslims might not all be extremists, but it's almost a sure thing that a religious extremist is a Muslim.

Agreed^

@Chaqa - tell that to Dr. George Tiller.

Well one counter-example is hardly an end-all. I didn't say all, I said most, it's an extreme imbalance. Here's 3000 counter-examples to your one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

So the KKK and the WBC aren't religious extremists?

....and your point? Most people, of ALL religions, rightfully speak loudly and openly AGAINST the KKK and WBC. Where is the Muslim community speaking out against radical Islam?

(For the record, I don't blame you for your perverse protection of murderers...you are the victim of insane Liberal "I can't judge anyone" bullshit multi-culturalism...)

Nor is the Army of God?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_%28United_States%29

@krellin

"Where is the Muslim community speaking out against radical Islam?"

If you don't know where they are then it's not because they don't exist, it is because you're not looking. I think you know very well that many Muslims speak out about this though. You're just deliberately feigning ignorance on this matter so you can hold on to the bigoted notion that even moderate Muslims can't really be good people.

If you care to inform yourself though... here are just a few of many examples that you can quite easily find on the web.

http://www.freemuslims.org/issues/terrorism.php
http://muslimsagainstterror.com/
http://www.m-a-t.org/
http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/
http://www.religionnews.com/2013/04/19/muslim-leaders-we-stand-against-terrorism/

^ thank you Oscar.

Indeed, muslim leadership from both schools of thought have denounced the violence of ISIS, and others. There are certainly still strides to be made in terms of human rights, but that goes for all countries of the world.

Please respect Muslims. Seriously, world peace is tenable: http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/1/7/3/227173_v1.jpg

Please respect Muslims, because if you don't they'll cut your head off.