Bo I haven't studied the reasons why this happened so I am genuinely interested, you either know and can't be arsed to say or don't know and are just being a dick.
If you are not interested don't criticise me for being genuinely interested.
What about the pogroms, what was all that about?
People who have nothing positive to contribute why not just butt out and give the educated a chance, not everyone on this site knows the history of the Jewish religion and I am not embarrassed to admit that.
What I am searching for are reasons why maybe Israel is the way it is today, and is there a right-wing tendency that has caused issues for Jewish people through history.
Please don't turn this into some boring, predictable anti-semite rant, who learns anything from that?

oh wow, Nigee...

I love these types of aruments: "I'm not saying Jews are the root of all evil, but..."
They're usually a favourite by staunch anti-Obama types in the US, but I guess you can be an antisemite and It works too!

Sure Nigee. You're right, those are reasonable questions that show you're "genuinely interested" in learning. I'll answer them for you.

"Why did Hitler pick on Jews in particular, what is it about the Jewish religion that would make people hate them that much (ignore current situation, focus on historical Jewish behaviour)?"

1.) Hitler 'picked on' (a historically accurate word, people get picked on all the time, let's not overstate what Hitler did here, it clearly wasn't that big of a deal) Jews because he was a white supremacist Aryan bastard that deserves nothing more but the worst afterlife scenario ever envisioned by any religion in world history.

2.) Personally, I don't know what it is about the Jewish religion that made Hitler hate it so much. Rumor has it that when he was 5, he was playing on the playground and a Jew accidentally blew air on him, so he hated them from then on.

3.) By "historical Jewish behavio(u)r," I assume you mean things like being uber-rich all the time, so much so that you should hate Jewish people for no other reason. I mean dude, Sheldon Adelson. Fucker. But if that's not enough, Jews historically have giant noses, and it seems like they're so terrible that they can't stop breeding people with curly hair. What the fuck, you know?

To answer your other question:

"I have no idea but is there something peculiar to Judaism that would upset normal non-Jewish people?"

Well, Nigee, there are a few things, actually. First of all, the religion starts with the letter "J" which is the letter of the devil, whose name is Jatan. That's why everyone hates Jainists too. Secondly, and more importantly, there's this rumor that Jewish people feast on Christian baby blood, and that over Pesach, which is one of their holidays during which the worship the devil Jatan, the only thing they're allowed to eat is this weird bread stuff that's soaked in the blood of a pure Christian virgin. Pretty sick stuff.

I hope that entertains all your "genuine" interest on the matter, Nigee.

Hey, blood-matzo balls are amazing, I have them every Seder. Don't knock it till you've tried it :-D

Pure Christian virgin blood soup is my favorite. I have so many cousins too from my dad's side, so it's never hard to find all the right ingredients.

Bo you seemed to pick up every point I raised apart from the bit you chose to ignore "Please don't turn this into some boring, predictable anti-semite rant, who learns anything from that?"
So I have learnt nothing from you and I guess that is because you have no knowledge or historical context, that is ok you're a good living in the USA so I can understand why you may be a little ignorant of such matters, but i would think we would have someone on the forum who has some historical knowledge that can put the current situation into some context, you don't have to get upset when someone mentions Hitler, don't forget the USA were happy to sit by and watch as millions of Jews were being exterminated, they saw no reason to rush in and stop Hitler.
It was the Brits and their allies who took on the fight against the fascists and your neighbours the Canadians ..... that is something I can be proud of and all Canadians also. And the Aussies, and the Kiwis, etc, etc
..... please don't try and re-write history to suit your own prejudices, it makes you sound like an ignorant young kid.

@Nigee: what do you expect people to answer to that? It's nonsensical.

What did the blacks do to make whites sell them into slavery and ship them?

What did the woman do to make the pervy guy rape her?

Okay seriously Nigee your latest post sounds exactly like krellin. That's not even a joke.

How does that make you feel?

Bo - perception is projection my friend, if you have nothing sensible to contribute just troll, that shouldn't be too difficult for you should it

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TMOW - are you saying that the persecution of Jews throughout history is somehow the same as the suppression and enforced slavery of Africans?
I'm not a historical scholar of note but if I were a betting man I would say that the stories are slightly different. Being English I know a little more about one subject but not so much about the other ..... don't criticise me for asking, I am trying to make sense to towards woes by looking at it from a historical context because I am struggling to understand what is happening at the moment, why is Israel so ultra-violent?

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Bo - you're on tilt now I can get no sense from you

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@Nigee: as somebody reasonably knowledgable on both, I can tell you the motivations of the oppressors have little to do with the 'character' of the victims.

As for current motivations of Israel, that's something different altogether.

Obi's post above is a good starting point for modern Zionism (historical Zionism is something slightly different, but it's close). Then combine that fervent belief that Israel *must* keep existing, with a fervent belief that the world is still out to get the jews at every turn (especially the Palestinians), then you quickly see why Israel sees as 'defence' what most people see as 'destruction'. Offence is the best defence, so to say.

Frankly, I would encourage anybody anywhere to visit Palestine so that you can see first hand what it actually means. Hebron. The A/B/C zones. The checkpoints. It's quite beyond belief really. Jaffa was chilling too.

And I think a great deal of armchair generals would think differently about the conflict if they'd see it with their own eyes.

Zionism is a meaningless term. Nobody is a Zionist anymore. That ship sailed a long time ago. Describing oneself as a Zionist has about as much meaning as describing oneself as a Vortrekker.

I think you are right, if fair minded taxpaying Americans took a visit maybe that annual $3bn dollar arms handout to the Israelis would be stopped

So are mods allowed to tell people to go fuck and kill themselves?

Nice.

I'll remember this next time I get one of those warnings.

"Then combine that fervent belief that Israel *must* keep existing, with a fervent belief that the world is still out to get the jews at every turn (especially the Palestinians), then you quickly see why Israel sees as 'defence' what most people see as 'destruction'."

1. Well, yes, it's a state...and I think it should keep existing. It ceasing to exist, realistically speaking, would probably result in millions of deaths, one way or another.

2. "Still" out to get the Jews? It's not paranoia when it's true...I cited the news out of France and Germany, TheMinisterOfWar...

Jews fled burning synagogues and burned shops to come to Israel--Israel, in the middle of a war, was still more safe for them than France and Germany.

Millions listen to angry, angry speakers deliver impassioned speeches about how they want the extermination of the Jews...

And this is in Gaza and Iran now, but we all know how that went when that kind of hate speech WAS coming from Germany and Vichy France.

Simply put, not only does Antisemitism still exist (case in point: Nigee) but it still has a genocidal hue, and it's not paranoia when it's really being threatened and has already happened to you so many times before.

"I think a great deal of armchair generals would think differently about the conflict if they'd see it with their own eyes."

I doubt it, on my end, precisely because of the aforementioned genocidal rhetoric coming from Hamas and other elements in Gaza.

And since I've already condemned Israel in the West Bank, I have no need to change my stance there, either...but when it comes to masses with weapons saying they want to exterminate all the Jews--I'm sorry, TheMinisterOfWar, but that's PRECISELY one of the reasons I want and think Jews need Israel...

Because nobody's wiping out thousands or millions of us again so long as the IDF stands, and it's one of the most powerful militaries in the world.

We don't screw around when someone makes that kind of threat.

I'll take emotionally manipulative defenses of aggression for 1000 Alex.

"Zionism is a meaningless term."

Putin--just tell us the sky is red instead of blue already.

Really, you're just contradicting to contradict at this point...just go all the way.

Shakespeare sucks, the Beatles suck, Anti-Flag is better than the Rolling Stones, Conquest is Peace and doesn't require bloodshed...

Just piss on our heads and tell us it's raining while you're at it.

"I'll take emotionally manipulative defenses of aggression for 1000 Alex."

You don't get to talk about "emotionally manipulative defenses of aggression" when you employ your own emotionally-manipulative arguments to justify threats of genocide and terrorism...without justifying your love of dictators that gas people and a guy who throws gays in jail and suppresses speech in Russia.

Cute.

If I said bombing schools was cool so long as you're Israel, you'd be singing my praises.

"You don't get to talk about "emotionally manipulative defenses of aggression" when you employ your own emotionally-manipulative arguments to justify threats of genocide and terrorism...without justifying your love of dictators that gas people and a guy who throws gays in jail and suppresses speech in Russia."

That was just word salad.

"If I said bombing schools was cool so long as you're Israel, you'd be singing my praises."

If I said threatening genocide, admitting to human shields and breaking ceasefires was cool so long as you're Hamas, you'd be singing mine.

No I would never sing your praises.

I'd be genuinely worried if you did.

Me too.