@Draug - You are correct that the term "minor" was not used by YB with regards to modifications. Also, you are correct that modifications can mean major changes. In this case, however, I believe that the term "modifications" carried with it the connotation that it was minor, which is how the term is almost always used. This is all moot, however, after Krellin stated

Actually - and more to the point - I didn't offer to modify anything, I simply rejected the offer out of hand as childish and stupid.

Therefore, we are back at the beginning. A challenge was given and rejected outright. Therefore, Krellin cannon be declared the winner by default.

Intellectual Integrity: Seeks open discussion on subjects, even from those who oppose him, and a free, continuous manner.

Intellectual Dishonesty and Fear/Oppression: Seek the illusion of discussion, but only for a limited time, and in a limited and controlled manner, after which any dissent is eliminated.

krellin: Seeks intellectual integrity from all, even as he practices it.

YJ and minions: Seeks oppression of dissent and the end of debate.

It suggest it also ties in quite nicely with the states political persuasions of each...

Anyways, I'll extend the offer to you too, krellin. If you can find just one of your OWN discussions on a topic of relevance where you take up a contrary opinion for a length of time without berating or insulting your opponent, we can start with a clean slate, and try to have regular forum discussions again.

If you can't find one, why on earth would I want to engage with you civilly, since to me that basically proves you are unable to do so?

If you're unwilling to look for one, well that's that, I guess. I'd have no reason to keep talking with you about anything, anymore then, since we'd have no common ground at all except mutual dislike.


I'm 100% serious, and I'm able to forge ahead when I decide it's time.

Can we shift the discussion to why in God's sweet name Draugnar and semck actually defend this dude?

What do they see in him?

I think what's so frustrating about krellin's refusal to engage in the challenge is that it was so final...

I was prepared to accept the winner and leave it at that even if had been krellin. But instead we continue on in this insufferable farce

I'm going to try to go about this in a different manner.

@Krellin - I believe that you feel like many people here, myself included, are picking on you. That may be wrong, but it is what I think. I cannot speak for others, but after looking back on several threads, I have found that I am completely opposed to you on many different topics. I have offered up my opinion in opposition to you on several different topics. But, it always goes the same way.

You offer up your opinion.
I offer up mine.
You belittle me and my opinion.
I retaliate.
You belittle more, add insults, and declare yourself the winner.

This happens over and over again. I believe that if you were to keep the belittling to a minimum, actually listen to your opponents, and offer up counter proposals instead of insults, none of this would have gotten to this point.

Now, you can completely ignore what I have to say, or you can take a good long look in a mirror and make a change for the better. I, too, am willing to debate you about many different topics, but not under the current status quo. That is all.

YJ - you blithering idiot, the DOMA discussion just the other day, and then even within this thread and CF and Draug and I discussed a topic. they are everywhere. If you actually did something OTHER than throw insults and then run off to hide you woudl know this. You are so pathetic...but there's your answer, fool.

And I know you will go to the DOMA discussion and complain because of my use of the insult "bigot"...what you will fail to do is read the entire thread, in which I specificallly explain how and why I was using it, not as an insult, but as an object lesson, as a parallel tie in as my argument for polygamist marriage was constructed to be exactly the same argument *and tactics* of the homosexual marriage supporters.

But you won't read far enough either here or there to get that point...because you have *zero* integrity, and even when you read something, you will deny it if it goes against your preconceived beliefs. You, YJ, have demonstrated yourself to be immune from facts...it's tragic, really.

@jimgov -- You, as with YJ, can read facts, and then go on about your opinion despite that fact that they are contrary to the facts *just* presented to you.

I insult you because you are amongst the many who will never allow their opinion to be changed by facts. I think it's a tragic way to go through life, and worthy of insults.

That being said...please don't play the pity card and pretend that you, as well, do not dish out the insults. I admit I insult you...you and your cohorts love to lament and whine and complain about insults even as you do the same. Again...another example of your complete lack of intellectual integrity.

Absolutely 100% agree thucy, jim.

It's not fear of debate that keeps me from taking krellin seriously, it's the knowledge that it's just going to end the same way every time.

krellin, all insults and bullshit aside, I used to think you were funny and I liked you, but then I made the mistake of disagreeing with you on some political topic, and it all went to hell after that.

What I don't understand is that you often do make clever arguments (I previously called them "lures"), but it's like you don't even care what the opposition says after that point, it's just time to start the evil.

A little ode I wrote for my friend YJ (I know this has upset him a lot)
It's entitled 'Jilted YJ'

I've been getting on with a boy, his name is Krellin
But last night he said to me, when we were on the PC
(This is what he said)
He said listen YJ, I love you but there's this bloke I fancy
I don't want to two time you, so it's the end for you and me
Who's this bloke I asked him, Draaaaaaugnar he replied
Not THAT puff, I said dismayed
Yes but he's no puff he cried
(He's more of a man than you'll ever be)
Here we go, two three four
I was so upset that I cried, all the way to the chip shop
When I came out there was Draugnar, standing at the bus stop
(And guess who was with him? Yeah, Krellin, and they were both laughing at me)
Oh, he is cruel and heartless to pack me for Draugnar
Just cos he's better looking than me, Just cos he's cool and trendy
But I know he's a moron, Draugnar is a moron Draugnar is a moron, Draugnar is a moron
Here we go, two three four
Oh he's a slag and he's a creep
He's a tart, he's very cheap
He is a slut, he thinks he's tough
He is a bitch, he is a puff
Yeah yeah, it's not fair Yeah yeah, it's not fair
(I'm so upset)
I'm so upset, I'm so upset, yeah yeah
(I ought to smash his face in.)
(Yeah, but he's bigger than me. In't he?)
(I know, I'll get my mate BoSox to hit him. He'd flatten him)
(Yeah but BoSox’s a mate of Draugnar's in'e?)
(Oh well, I don't care)
I don't care I don't care
Cause he's a slag and he's a creep he's a tart, he's very cheap he is a slut, he thinks he's tough....

@Copyright NigeeBaby Inc. 2013

Thucy, you're such a good little lapdog the way you keep fighting YJ's fights for him, and keep repeating ad nauseum the same tired, broken arguments that have already been demonstrated to be faulty in the logic and pathetic in their intent.

But keep it up, little doggy...or do you prefer be called a sheep??? Anyway...keep it up...you're a good little mindless minion. Your dedication to the losing cause is as impressive as it is pathetic.

@Krellin - "I insult you because you are amongst the many who will never allow their opinion to be changed by facts. I think it's a tragic way to go through life, and worthy of insults." THAT is the problem. You feel that it is your right to insult people who disagree with you. It is NOT your right.

@Nigee - That is really creepy. Disturbing, actually.

Nigee that is hilarious. +1

@jimgov - acutally, I do have the right to insult you. I don't think I have to apply for a permit or anything to do so.

And...once again...please don't play the little "whoa-is-me" pity card about insult. You are quite capable and guilty of throwing insults, you blithering idiot.

It's that -- your complete lack of integrity - that really makes me scratch my head. The notion that you and your silly little band of fools like to complain about the behavior you partake in that really makes me wonder.

If you don't like insults, *don't insult people yourself*.

I don't care if you insult me. Feel free.

I also wonder why you don't publicly cry out against the behavior of your heroes, both here and in the real world, where insults are the norm.

Why, jimgov, do you not beg YJ and friends to stop with the insults?

Answer: Because you have *NO integrity*. You are not opposed to insults; you are only opposed to insults against you and your fellow sheep.

That is why you are a loser. That is why you are an intellectual midget, because you apparently can't see the fallacy of your own arguments. You fail to see your own blatant hypocrisy...and that is why I mock you and insult you.

Your whole dialogue in this thread in support of YJ is a massive demonstration of that hypocrisy. YJ himself *openly admits* within this thread that he:
1. Does not engage in conversation with me
2. Only addresses me in threads to insult me

He has confessed this...and yet here you are, bitching about people insulting other people, while supporting a fool who calls for debate even as he admits he won't debate, and only will throw insults. Are you truly too stupid to see the irony and hypocrisy in both your behavior and YJ? Tell you what...admit here and now that you are wrong, at least in the instance of this thread, and I won't insult your intellectual capacity any further.

Just once, jimbo, admit here and now that you are wrong, and in the admission, explain how and what you were wrong about....let's see if you have enough integrity to do so.

Dude, the DOMA thread?!? Really? That's a perfect example of what I'm talking about!

You made a clever argument regarding polyamory, and I could concede that your use of the word "bigot" was tied into the point you were trying to prove - if you hadn't said it more than 10 times. You weren't trying to prove a point anymore, you were just enjoying calling somebody a bigot.


In addition, throughout that post, you also made the following accusations at least once each at various points (I make no claims re: their truth, only that the statements were made):

hyprocrite
absurd
ignorant
stupid
illiterate
moronic
narrow minded
selfish


And this is your example of a discussion where you were well-behaved and non-abusive? Why on earth would anybody want to talk with you?

and note, the above was BEFORE I showed up to piss in your coffee.

@Krellin - I hereby admit that I was wrong. I thought you had a shred of dignity and could be counted on to discuss matters without going to the lowest common denominator. My bad. And, just so that we are all in agreement here, it was ME who first asked you the question that started this whole shit storm. Not YJ. So I will ask it again.

Do you believe that the President was born in the United States?

Have a nice day.

lol I read it again nigee, that is really, really, quite good.

YJ - Thank you for demonstrating to me your inability and unwilingness to read. I have explained those isults BOTH here and within the thread. *ALL* of those insults are the insults used *by* the gay-rights/gay-marriage movement against anyone who opposes them. I explained this within the DOMA thread...and those I was unsing them against admitted that they both saw and understood the use of my adopted strategy once I explained it.

Thank you, once again YJ, for demonstrating either:
1, You lack of reading comprehension
2. Your lack of integrity

Once again, in this round of debate - YOU LOSE.

*shrug*

That's it then. You have nothing to offer me. I'll not mute you, but you and I are done.

Take care of yourself... winner.

-YJ

Guys...........was it really necessary to debate like this? No real arguments were conveyed, only swears, insults and recriminations.

@krellin: Great,

Done??? lol Uhhh...since you only interaction with me was:
1. Insult me
2. run off like a bitch and create "hey krellin" threads

I don't see as to how this represents a significant loss in my life.

*I WIN*

@krellin: you won through insults.....run a legitimate debate where you debate an idea, not the other person's flaws.

@YJ: same to you as well

This is ridiculous beyond belief

I think YJ is too stupid for that, others think krellin is too stupid for that, etc.
Not gonna work with these 2 together...

Ridiculous? Certainly....but that is what YJ designed this thread to be, is it not?

I won't apologize for anything I did in this thread...a child (YJ) who admits he refuses to engage in discussion creates a thread demanding debate. lol Please...such foolishness is only worthy of mockery and derision, which I gave to him in spades.

The difference - I acknowledge this for what it is...another YJ troll thread, and I treated it as such. YJ pretends it was somehow legitimate, even as he, himself, admits that he is incapable of following the dictates of his own suggestion, in that he refuses to engage in dialogue with me...thus making his suggestion of debate rather fascicle.

boom.

making his suggestion a farce, that is...