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blankflag (0 DX)
03 Apr 13 UTC
this websites conspiracy
what are the chances that many of the users are actually multis or associated with the people running it for astroturfing purposes?
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josunice (3702 D(S))
04 Apr 13 UTC
A Call for Blind Diplomacy Voting (only see your own votes)
Diplomacy should be carried out through your moves, and if press is allowed, through your press, but not through voting signals. Some conspiracy theorists believe their are hidden meanings in unusual votes -- in my experience it is b/c of us cell phone players with fat fingers... Gunboat should not have this communication tool, and in press you can reveal or lie about your votes all you like...
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mcbigski (4183 D)
04 Apr 13 UTC
New game, need to replace England for spring 01 banned multi
Talcum Powder reloaded. Game 114136
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
03 Apr 13 UTC
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3/4/2013 downtime explanation thread
Apologies for the downtime, an explanation & details are in this thread.
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Tasnica (3366 D)
11 Mar 13 UTC
EoG: Around the World Gunboat Tournament, Game 8
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sirKristof (15 DX)
03 Apr 13 UTC
why the pause?
Why did the game pause? I never voted, I dont think everyone has noticed as they have all readied up, but not voted unpause :(

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=113973#gamePanel
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dubmdell (556 D)
13 Mar 13 UTC
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An actual philosophy variant
Choose a philosophical school of thought. If the philosopher fundamentally changed during his writing career, you must also choose which text(s) you will be following. Then, you must hold to that philosophy in all discussions and movements. Why not PP, 5 D, 50hr phases, WTA, orders must be announced. If someone can demonstrate how a proposed action goes against your philosophy, you may not take that action and must do something else. Critiques?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
13 Mar 13 UTC
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If there is a disagreement regarding if a move violates a philosophy, how is it resolved?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
13 Mar 13 UTC
^That
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Mar 13 UTC
Yeah, majority rules? Or do we have a discussion about whether it truly violates (ala Congressional hearing)? If the later, you may wantt o go for the full 240 hour (10 day) phase.
dubmdell (556 D)
13 Mar 13 UTC
I'd be fine with either option, Draug. Hell, I'd even be fine with an eighth player as the ultimate judge of any disagreement that may arise. If this is something players want to try, state which options you're comfortable with (majority rules, extended debate, eighth player as judge) and we will go from there.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Mar 13 UTC
IF you go "congressional style" you should make it full press for side deals. :-) They would still have to get the approval of the other players, but you could sork on them behind the scenes/out of session.
SYnapse (0 DX)
13 Mar 13 UTC
I'll play with John Stuart Mill's utilitarianism. But surely Nietzsche is going to win?
dubmdell (556 D)
13 Mar 13 UTC
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No, this isn't about making deals to pass contrary moves to the philosophy you're supposed to be abiding by. It should be public press. (and non-anon, while we're at it.)

SYnapse, you raise a point I wasn't wholly clear on. Someone could choose (I suppose) the philosophy of Paul of Tarsus/ Jesus Christ, and when someone says that wars and battle are against the philosophy, one could cite Pope Urban II's interpretation, which would then become the big debate, can X player claiming to be a student of JC/ Paul fit his/her actions into the philosophy? I think Draug may be onto something with the 10 day phases and prolonged debates.

Clearly, someone would have a much harder time arguing a case for Ghandi to ever invade another country, so the philosophy would have to be more well chosen than that. Hume, Rand, Mill, Locke, Aristotle, Epicurus, Hegel, Voltaire, Goethe, Whitman, Leibniz, etc. are all fair game being classic(wc?) philosophers and would probably be more workable choices than religious philosophers, but I rule nobody out.
I'll play
dubmdell (556 D)
13 Mar 13 UTC
Okay, I've been thinking about it for about, oh, say, the last ten minutes, and I have a more rigorous proposal to make on how this will be managed.

10 day phases (hear me out)
The first two days will be for diplomacy and making deals, determining what moves you'd like to make. At the end of those two days, you need to have submitted for formal review a set of moves. For examples:
F Lon-ENG
F Edi-NTH
A Yor-Wal

There will then be UP TO five days for line-item discussion of any possibly controversial moves. Players are encouraged to submit a brief (or lengthy) explanation of any potentially contrary movement when they submit orders to possibly save time. When players determine that both sides have sufficiently made their case and neither is yielding (or at the end of day seven, so three days left on the clock), then the judge (eighth player - not Thucy) will look at both sides and rule one way or the other.

The last three days are for the judge to consider any cases that have taken up all five days discussion days and for players to scrabble to find a move that they can make in place of any movement that was denied.

Critiques? Suggestions? I'd like to find the best possible rules to play under for this idea before we start and fill in every possible loophole so that the game can go smoothly. Constructive criticisms welcome.

A few final notes before I post this reply.
1) If there is no need to call the judge, s/he won't be called.
1b) If there's no need for discussion, phases can process sooner (since the end-of- day-two order submission is essentially a "readying" action anyway and won't change unless an order is denied).
1c) Players are expected to be honorable and make moves that make sense and /not/ base their moves, as much as possible, on other orders already submitted for consideration. (But it's PP, so, you know, it'll happen, but try not to let it.)

2) Ad Hominem attacks are extremely discouraged.

3) Instead of allowing a move change in the final three days, it could be that any move the judge rules against is just changed to a "hold," so that you have consequences for trying to go against your philosophy. This is an idea as an alternative to what I said above.

4) You're expected to run the country like the philosopher/philosophy you submit to, not talk like them. Just to be clear. Your ideology and actions must coincide, but your words not necessarily.

5) If you want to play this variant, please use common sense and don't try to ruin everyone else's fun just because you can. Again, you're not trying to be the philosophy, just order your troops like your philosophy. See #4.

TL;DR
Two day phases with readies expected ASAP unless an order is called into question. If an order is called into question, up to 5 days of debate, with a final 3 days on the clock to give the judge (8th player) time to review moves and rule one way or the other based on the arguments offered on both sides. Some clarifications or alternatives presented in the numbered notes above.
semck83 (229 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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I won't play, but I'd volunteer to judge. That sounds like a riot.

(There may be better-qualified judges, though. I'm just saying if you end up needing me).
Holy shit. I thought I was a pretty hard-core, long-breath kind of Diplomacy player. But I definitely don't have the patience for a game of these epic proportions.
SYnapse (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
3 judges might be better
dubmdell (556 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
SYnapse, you're new here, so I'll let the comment slide, but check out this thread threadID=881856 for why we would only have one judge.
SYnapse (0 DX)
21 Mar 13 UTC
Bump for this game
SYnapse (0 DX)
21 Mar 13 UTC
I'll play with John Stuart Mill's "utilitarianism". It should be 10 day phases btw
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Mar 13 UTC
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Ahh utilitarianism is my home base man.

Kant would lose hard. A lot of ethicists would lose real hard.

I would like to be play as Laozi and exemplify wu-wei.
Your Humble Narrator (1922 D)
22 Mar 13 UTC
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I will be Sartre, and I will refuse to be limited by any misguided conjectures concerning my "essence."
SYnapse (0 DX)
22 Mar 13 UTC
1. Synapse - JS Mill - "Utilitaranism"
2. YHN - Jean Paul Satre - ?
3. dubmbell - ?
4. Socrates - ?
5. Thucy? - ?
6. ?
7. ?

Judge - semck?

Please state your chosen philosopher and reference text (this may be a paper or book)
I'd be willing to join as Aquinas, using his collected works as a reference. Would that be acceptable?
BaronVonBlitzentoden (103 D)
22 Mar 13 UTC
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Working from his idea of "Just War."
BaronVonBlitzentoden (103 D)
22 Mar 13 UTC
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That, or I'd be glad to join as Hobbes for some sweet, sweet bellum omnia contra omnes, using Leviathan as my reference.
SYnapse (0 DX)
22 Mar 13 UTC
You can use the Summa Theologica or Leviathan, up to you
Excellent. Leviathan, then.
SYnapse (0 DX)
22 Mar 13 UTC
"If the philosopher fundamentally changed during his writing career, you must also choose which text(s) you will be following."

I guess that means you could be Aquinas's combined works. :)
SYnapse (0 DX)
22 Mar 13 UTC
1. SYnapse - John Stuart Mill "Utilitarianism"
2. BaronVonBlitzentoden - Thomas Hobbes "Leviathan"
3. Socrates Dissatisfied -
4. Your Humble Narrator - Jean-Paul Sartre ""
5. Thucydides - Laozi ""
6.
7.

Judge -
Machiavelli - The Prince
Iceray0 (266 D(B))
22 Mar 13 UTC
Hitler.
No, but seriously. William Godwin. Alternatively Carl von Clausewitz would be a good one.
SYnapse (0 DX)
22 Mar 13 UTC
You could play Hitler's "Mein Kampf" but I don't recommend it, particularly if you're anyone other than Germany..

I'll put you down for Clausewitz's "On War" or Godwin's "Enquiry Concerning Political Justice"?

Please make sure you have time for a lengthy game too, if you're going to sign up
Iceray0 (266 D(B))
22 Mar 13 UTC
William Godwin would just be a giant douche to play as. He's the founder of philosophical anarchism and his primary objective would be to destroy large empires. Sorry Russia, you've got to go first.
Carl von Clausewitz would be really interesting to see. His primary belief is that war is just a continuation of social polices. If you disagree with me, I will force you to see it my way.
I am aware that these are oversimplifications of these two philosophers and that they are focused on one of the points that the men brought up.
I assume dubmdell is still going to play as this was his idea and that semck83 is still fine to be the judge if required?

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Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Apr 13 UTC
The April Fools banner ads are still partially there...
They image tag is still there and clickable, but the images themselves are displaying as broken. I think something got left turned on accidentally.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
02 Apr 13 UTC
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A request for advice
From your old pal, YJ
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
28 Mar 13 UTC
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Hey krellin
A final "Man Up:" This post is of grave importance to the health and happiness of the entire forum. I suggest everybody read it.
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ReBrock (189 D)
03 Apr 13 UTC
please unpause
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Maniac (184 D(B))
02 Apr 13 UTC
The Cupertino Effect
Seen this so many times on here, glad it has an actual name. Am I the last one to know?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
03 Apr 13 UTC
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Unintended side effect: Resetting +1 on threads/posts
I just noticed that all +1s for threads/posts have been reset. Thankfully, our personal likes/liked remained, and hopefully, the +1 still works.
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Hooverhurdle (0 D)
03 Apr 13 UTC
Pause
Why is one of my games paused and the others aren't? I would like to see the other games unpaused so they can get moving again if you can. thanks.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
02 Apr 13 UTC
Send All Upause reqests to [email protected]
Do NOT make a new thread for every game, the unpause feature has been fixed so you can vote unpause on your own as well.
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Captain Canuck (178 D)
03 Apr 13 UTC
Unpause this game as well please.
gameID=112046#game

Thanks.
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Unpause
Can you unpause a game please
gameID=112307
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
02 Apr 13 UTC
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Server upgrade
Thanks for everyone's patience during the server upgrade, for some reason it took them three hours, so it took much longer than I expected. I've added time to all games, if anyone spots anything out of place let me know.
On the bright side once this has settled down the server should have more capacity..
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Unpause
I need a game unpaused:
gameID=112307
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NoPantsJim (100 D)
02 Apr 13 UTC
How does one leave a game?
I have no intentions of leaving any games I'm in, but I invited a friend to join the site and he joined a bunch of games, then decided he just didn't understand the game. Rather than stick around and ruin things for everyone, I've convinced him to just leave but I don't see that option anywhere. Help?
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lkruijsw (100 D)
31 Mar 13 UTC
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New Zine Diplom.org
There is a new issue: http://diplom.org/Zine/

You are always invited to come with own submissions.
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lukebohannon20 (100 D)
02 Apr 13 UTC
Crashed Game
can crashed games be restarted?
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Unpause
Can you unpause marchev47?
gameID=112298
Thanks in advance!
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Why does anyone play live gunboat games?
Don't get me wrong, they're fun enjoyable things to do, even though I'm not too good in them myself, but, NMRs and CDs are rampant, and you get opportunistic wankers that refuse to draw/cancel even though everyone else has their draw/cancel votes up and game ettiqute demands that they do so, so I ask, why does anyone play them?
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
02 Apr 13 UTC
Repeat Messages?
Did the new updates come with a feature for preventing posting the same messages you already did? I posted the link to the email the mods about unpausing games, but I ended up having to add something to the beginning of the post, to get around a message that told me to make repeat messages.
Doesn't matter that much, but it seems like it could be annoying at times
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
02 Apr 13 UTC
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The Multi's of Kestas
All Hail Kestas.

http://imgur.com/Jz0jhnO
This is definitely one of the highlights for me as a player and a mod. :)
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FlemGem (1297 D)
02 Apr 13 UTC
Napoleon or Wellington
Who was the better general? Discuss.......
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
01 Apr 13 UTC
Can someone explain the draw of the Gunboat?
To me, the entire thrill of this game is in the formation of alliances and the negotiations between players. With that being said, I absolutely don't understand the draw of the Gunboat games--it takes out the best part. If I'm looking for pure strategy, I'll take games like Axis and Allies (despite the "luck factor" or even chess). What am I missing about Gunboat games?
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ReBrock (189 D)
02 Apr 13 UTC
Unpause game
Please unpause the following games:
gameID=113248
and
gameID=113072
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dyager_nh (619 D)
02 Apr 13 UTC
Need Games Unpaused
When an Admin gets a chance, there are two games I am involved in which need to be unpaused
114126
113429
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