I didn't think we were supposed to use means of communication outside of the website.

I think its a really douchey move and definitely should be against some sort of rule. Thats just me though. Personally, I wouldn't invite someone who did that to another diplomacy game I was hosting.

@Tantris, I know several mods have participated in google+ hangout games. So I'm nearly positive it's allowed as long as it's a full press game. Communicating in a restricted press or anon game outside the in game messaging is considered cheating though.

Just keep in mind a screenshot can easily be modified/fabricated, so it's not really conclusive proof of conspiring to stab (or whatever the person is trying to expose). Also, as a player, I expect conspirations to be occurring behind my back, those screenshots don't really change my perspective.

Also, it's just as likely the person who sent you it is in league with the person they screenshot, and they're trying to make you move in a certain way to counter the expected stab, only get pummeled by the both of them.

While all thats true, why not just tell them the same thing without screen shots? I just feels that thats outside of the purpose of the game, there should be no way to /prove/ that someone said something. And getting someone to purposefully fabricate a screen shot is just... excessive. Just play the game.

we need a new G+ game, one hasnt been played in ages.

G+?

The google alternative to facebook.

That was me, and i yelled at President Eden. :-)

I stick with my opinion that it *should* be illegal even though abgemacht ruled that it wasn't.

Though if you ask me, copy-pasting's perfectly fine.

I think Tasnica and Nerevatus had good contributions to that thread.

I think that as long as the people involved in the game all know that communication is being done outside of the website messaging, it is fine.

I don't care what people do. If people screenshot what I say and send it to someone else, I am confident that I can use my diplomacy skills to negate its effect. Especially, since I would bet that most people who would send screenshots are not all that great at diploming otherwise.

I'm pretty sure we decided it wasn't a big enough problem to worry about yet.

Technological literacy/skill doesn't correlate positively or negatively with diplomatic skill.

War Legend, if you want to always be sure this is an illegal practice in your games, generate them through the forum and list the specific criterion that no screenshots be used, diplomatically or otherwise. The mods will honor that.

Incidentally, redhouse's thread led to the creation of my second favorite meme: http://i.imgur.com/GoXFa.jpg

We had a long debate about this, and most of us came to the conclusion that, while a dickish move, it isn't against any rules.

Yeah, this isn't cool, unless you're in a game where this sort of behavior is allowed. Traditional games were played face to face, yet you don't hear a lot of old stories where players would tape record each other and then dox each other. I'm surprised that it's not immediately apparent that this isn't against the spirit of the game. It's amateurish anyway. If you really want to cheat to that degree you're better off just straight up multi-playing.

Not only did we decide it wasn't against the rules, the mpds said because it could be faked it should be viewed with the same suspect as a copy and paste of the text.

We being through community. I'm not a mod obviously.

Yeah Draugnar, but it's also not against the rules for me to have sex with your mother and then email you pictures of it. It's more of a respect thing. Nailing people's mothers is equally amateurish behavior.

I dont understand why so many people are against screenshots... They can be faked too, just like copy and paste..

Also, how does it have anything to do with respect?

Al, read the rule book. Underhandedness is encouraged.

I agree with Abge.

I can fake both of them equally effectively within a general range of about 60 seconds of receiving the original.

@Al - you fucking pervert. You want to dig up my departed mom's corpse? Fuck you!

But more to through point, reread my post fucktard. I didn't say anything one way or another as to it's appropriateness or dickishness. Had you asked with a modicum of decorum I would have said I would never do it and think it is a crap thing to do. Bit insead you post your bullshit about my deceased mother. Fuckwit!!!!

It's amateurish though. If it isn't apparent to you why, you're playing at a different level than people who understand why it's amateurish. I'm not going to go point for point with people about this - it's okay for us to disagree. But if you're not capable of puzzling this out on your own as to why it's potentially disruptive than you're not ready for certain types of matches, specifically matches where this sort of behavior is not allowed. Making rules isn't about stipulating 900 about different things like:

-thou shalt not post press screenshots
-thou shalt not mail people photographs of screenshots
-thou shalt not post videos of photographs of screenshots

By the time that you establish five to ten rules the rest of them should be common sense. While this is not an adult game, it is played by adults and so young people should try to understand that we don't have time to babysit you.

I recognize that a lot of the people reading this thread are a bit younger and I think the disconnect is that you guys think that this sort of behavior is new and innovative. It's not. Trust me. People have thought of this before. You're not the screen-shot posting ninja that you think you are. If you have to resort to this sort of behavior to win then you're not better than a multi-player. If you're putting this sort of option on the table, then mutli-playing is on the table as well.

There are different levels of diplomacy play as well as different styles. In England, for example it's pretty common place to try to get people drunk during half-time at live matches. In the US this is discouraged.

I would argue that at it's purest form, cheap shots detract from game play, rather than add to it, unless what you're attempting is truly truly innovative. The problem is though that this game has been around for decades and so you're probably not as innovative as you think you are.

It's kind of like the kid that pulls the fire alarm at a science fiction convention. Yes they think they are pimp and hilarious and smooth, even though everyone much older thinks they are stupid. I remember being fifteen and thinking this is hilarious. But it's only hilarious the first couple of times that you see this. Someone tries this every year. When you're in your twenties, etc., it just becomes one more nuisance. Remember that you're not the screen-shot ninja that you think you are.

Sure now you speak civilly. But no apology about desecrating my deceased mother's corpse. No surprise there. Shiteating fucktard!

Who was that directed to Al?
I dont use screenshots, there is no reason to, as far as i can tell. But, There doesnt seem to be a reason why this should be looked down upon, its just like copying and pasting...