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How do I contact a mod to report a player?
How do I contact a mod to report a player?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
20 Sep 11 UTC
The Bohemian Crusher
see inside...
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Ges (292 D)
21 Sep 11 UTC
20 hr Classic WTA Gunboat, 10 ante
gameID=68328

Everything's better with marshmallows . . .
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
20 Sep 11 UTC
If you're an idiot, or want to say something idiotic, post here
I have nothing to do for the next six hours, and I'd prefer not to just randomly flame people. *Targeted* snark is much more fun than yo momma jokes
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
Troy Anthony Davis
Is the Georgia Parole board bloodthirsty? It seems there is plenty of doubt here.
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Putin33 (111 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
Al Jazeera changes content on command from US Intelligence
Knew it!

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Fasces349 (0 DX)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Education and Ethics
See inside:
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
13-Center Europe Needed for World Game...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=64970

2nd-Biggest power, and he just left...
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Mack Eye (119 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
10 day/phase game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=68300
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
20 Sep 11 UTC
GARY JOHNSON FOR PRESIDENT!
I was just reading about the republican presidential nominees and I came to a conclusion on who I thought would be best.

Here is why:
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King Atom (100 D)
18 Sep 11 UTC
Good Music
Does anyone listen to truly good music anymore? Kids these days don't even know what music means. It's like the 90's were the Days The Music Died...
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Eggzavier (444 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
Oh thank god.
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Favio (385 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
CDs
Is it bad if, when I come to a situation where there are multiple CDs, I have the urge to draw rather than cancel, just to give those pricks a lesson in not joining a game if they know they aren't going to play or aren't able to play? I pride myself on not CDing anymore, because I had to learn my lesson the hard way. Why can't they?
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Ges (292 D)
20 Sep 11 UTC
20 Hr WTA Gunboat 30 ante
gameID=68274

All non-CDers welcome!
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WardenDresden (239 D(B))
20 Sep 11 UTC
Spam messages sent to (not your name) (your last name)
I just got 275 spam messages within the last day all for one Judy (my last name). As far as I know, there is no such person, and no one goes by that name; my last name is pretty unique. Does anyone else get spam mail hauntingly close to reality though?
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
19 Sep 11 UTC
Oops
Sorry people in my good player game. i ment to bet 5 D and bet ten. we shall carry on, but alas, i needed those points
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King Atom (100 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Brazil Needed!
Need a Brazil...
gameID=65533
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
19 Sep 11 UTC
King Atom Banned?
I looked at my friend King Atom's Profile and it said he was banned for multi accounting. Does anyone know anything and are the Mods at liberty to release info, such as which accounts was he.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Sep 11 UTC
You can eliminate unwanted threads
If you don't like a thread you can eliminate from your page view by muting the author of the thread. All of the threads authored by that ID will permanently vanish from your forum view.
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airborne (154 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Your favourite fantasy universes?
Just bought Dragon Age The Calling by Daivid Gaider, I'm just wondering what fantasy/sci-fi universe you consider the "best?"
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airborne (154 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
My personally favourite is the Harry Dresden series, Non-Prequel Star Wars, and Dragon Age
Ges (292 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
I love Westeros for fantasy universes, and Middle-Earth still grabs me. I'm partial to the Trekverse among SF universes.
☺ (1304 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Dragon age has a pretty wonderful universe. Other notable ones would be Firefly, Star Trek, and Baldur's Gate.
EmperorMaximus (551 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Middle Earth, very comprehensive and Italy. Tolkien didn't just write stories within Middle Earth, he described the history of the land and it's various people throughout the ages.
EmperorMaximus (551 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Don't know how Interesting turned into Italy...
King Atom (100 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Well, I've written a book of my own that I would love to have lived in...hopefully I will be able to share it with you all when I am done.
Apart from that, I would definitely choose to be a soldier in Gondor's army. How glorious that would be!
damian (675 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
While it is sci-fi, I find the general feeling of it is more fantasy than science fiction particularly once you get to seventh pass.

Pern.

I love Pern.
Riphen (198 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Dont know if it has to be books...but my vote goes to the Halo Universe.
Cynical Naif (142 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Westeros/Essos and Middle Earth are epic in a way that most others cannot match. If you're looking for world's that aren't cast on quite the same grand scale but are fairly unique and beautiful in their own ways, I suggest Discworld/Ankh-Morpork (Terry Pratchett) and The Land (from Stephen R. Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever).

Also impressive in its own way is the multiverse of Michael Moorcock's eternal champions. I think he may have pioneered the trick of characters from different parallel world's meeting each other repeatedly, but with different timelines, so that the first meeting for one is the second meeting for the other, and vice versa.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Sep 11 UTC
I don't remember the name, but wherever Paksinarion by Elizabeth Moon was from.
Riphen (198 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Oh and Narnia...
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
19 Sep 11 UTC
Dune, gotta put it up there. Though honestly my favorites are probably the expanded Star Wars universe, Ender's Universe(Orson Scott Card), and a couple of the ones by LE Modessitt Jr. Namely, the spellsong cycle, and his Imager series.
I'm also a big Dresden fan. You can't dislike the good Doctor Who. And then finally, I agree with Halo being pretty good, the books are solid too.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Sep 11 UTC
Was going to say Dune, but then realized this was about Fantasy...
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
19 Sep 11 UTC
SciFi is the same as fantasy, the difference is aliens=elves/dwarves and so on,
Technology=science
They really are the same genre, and anyone who can make a case that they aren't has my congratulations.
Cynical Naif (142 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Sci-fi author David Brin good enough for you?

http://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/1107069-the-difference-between-science-fiction-and-fantasy
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
19 Sep 11 UTC
See, that only uses a part of fantasy as a difference to science fiction. Not all fantasy revolves around systems in which magic is selective in nature. I've read plenty of short stories in which every character is magical in some way. I still think the only vital difference at its core between fantasy and SciFi is the mechanism of the story, whether that be some mystic power, or a new AI gone rampant.
"The implicit assumption in most fantasy is that the form of governnce that ruled most human societies since the discovery of grain must always govern us. And when a fellow like Tim Powers resists that assumption, he is writing science fiction, whether or not there are pirates, or wizards or demons. " -David Brin
This is where he loses me. Of course, this would depend on your definition of the genres, so, given his definition he's right; I just don't subscribe to it.
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
19 Sep 11 UTC
Take Star Wars for example, is that Fantasy, or SciFi? You have magical wizards(Jedi&Sith) And technological advances such as light speed, blasters, and toilets. Then you've got government, Empire and Republic initially, and it expands to more than that in the EU. IMHO, it's a blending of both, but once again it really depends on your definitions of the genres.


Sorry for the double post.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Faerun (Forgotten Realms) & Krynn (Dragonlance). The Redwall series is good too.
Ges (292 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Speaking of Brin, the Uplift universe is pretty compelling. The basic playgrounds of Alistair Reynolds and Iain Banks are really incredible.
Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Sep 11 UTC
EmperorMaximus +1 - Tolkien's universe in simply amazing. If we include SciFi, I would have to say Babylon 5 is one of my favs as well.
I would say its a difficult choice between Middle Earth and (crap! I'm forgetting its name) the one that's in the books Eragon and Eldest.
Why has no one mentioned the Foundation Universe?

<3 Isaac Asimov
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Because it's not Fantasy?
"... and toilets" - WardenDresden+1
"Because it's not fantasy" - The header says "Fantasy/SciFi" - Putin33 -1
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Touche.
@putin: It's sci-fi.............
Fasces349 (0 DX)
19 Sep 11 UTC
My top 5:
Amestris (fma)
German Reich (My Civ 4 BTS game using the RFC mod. The Rise of the German Empire in 810 AD to its fall in the 1890s makes a brilliant story, and at its height in the 1870s it controlled the entire world except Korea, Japan, USA, half of Mexico, half of South America and Indonesia. By the 1890s only Germany, the Balkans and most of Africa (except South Africa) was under her control.)
Advent of the Unity (Sins of a Solar Empire)
The Trade Order (sins of a Solar Empire)
The Plants (Gundam Seed)
Just to list those I like that haven't been mentioned yet:-
Known Space, The Smokering, The Culture, Lazarus Long's universe(s), Asimov's "Humans only universe" (Caves of Steel, Pebble in the Sky, Currents of Space, Foundation, etc, etc, ...), The Lensman Universe, The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

And to add another mention for the Discworld and the Star Trek universes.
Mafialligator (239 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
@ WardenDresden - It really does depend on your definition of the genres. The most convincing definition I've heard separates them based on thematic concerns. Under this rubric Fantasy is defined as any genre which seeks to embody various aspects of human nature in characters and have that struggle play out through the conflict of the story. So good vs evil (most fantasy stories), freedom vs oppression (LOTR arguably), love and tolerance vs hatred and bigotry (Harry Potter), faith vs doubt (Chronicles of Narnia). Science fiction is more about putting humans (usually) in situations beyond what the audience is used to dealing with, and then depicting how people will cope in those situations. By this metric for instance Star Wars is unequivocally a fantasy story more than anything else. If only I could remember where I heard about this way of classifying things. Cause I like it.

Anyway in answer to the OP, Middle Earth is certainly a contender. It may not be the BEST example, but it certainly deserves some credit for actually kind of, inventing the idea of stories being set in a coherent and comprehensive alternate universe. Seriously. Look for that idea as one in mainstream media prior to Tolkien. It doesn't pop up much.

Asimov's Foundation Universe is interesting to read about as well. But I'm sorry, I just never bought the idea that human society can be predicted with math.

Also, I'll say something crazy and sacrilegious that will get me flayed alive in this community, but I, having grown up through the late 90's and early 2000's have a lot of affection for the sort of parallel magical world in Harry Potter. It might not be the most serious or literary work to be mentioned in this thread, but the setting itself is fun, whimsical and sometimes a little absurd, but at the same time, it makes sense on some level, and can be surprisingly realistic and actually quite dark, and rather compelling. In spite of some major inconsistencies.

I also like the fictional world of the cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender (the cartoon not the terrible M Night Shamaylan movie). The idea is that there are four nations, each one centered around the fact that some members of the society can magically or telekinetically manipulate one of the four classical elements. Since the show itself centres around a century long war of oppression and colonialism we tend to see mostly the combat implications of these skills, but every once in a while we see the more practical day to day implications of how people would employ abilities like that, and it's surprisingly well thought out. Also all the cultures are inspired by Asian influences (or in one case, Inuit culture) and for once it's nice to see this handled well and respectfully, rather than as a kind of tokenism or based on broad stereotypes.

Also the world of the cartoon the Venture Bros. populated by unionized super villains, and incompetent super scientists, and a cheap Vincent Price knock off. It's so funny.

Also the space western setting of the short lived TV series Firefly merits a mention. The odd blending of Sci-fi and Western didn't always make sense, and sometimes seemed like elements of it were just thrown in for the sake of being either spacey or westerney. But when it did occasionally actually examine the politics for why outer space might be just like the wild west, it actually got pretty interesting.

For the record though, and this is rather disheartening, but the ONLY fictional universe I would actually choose to live in is the 24th century as depicted on TNG and DS9 era Star Trek, for the simple reason that it's the only depiction of a fictional universe that is actually an improvement in terms of standards of living over the industrialized world now. And even then, working in space seems to come with a distressingly high mortality rate, unless you're lucky enough to be one of the seven or eight core command staff of the ship you work on.
StarGate anybody? Pretty cool idea that. But my favourite would have to be Hitchhiker's. I wouldn't get anything done though, spend my entire, short, life laughing...and taking baths.

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President Eden (2750 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Sitter service planning thread!
I made a useful thread, you guys! See inside for details...
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Revolutionary thread that actually deals with the game of Diplomacy #2 relationships
Okay I wanna go really feminine on this thread how are we all feeling about relationships in the game? Why is it so hard in turn one to get any serious kind of relationship going, I mean you have to start by trusting someone right? Even though you're not exposing yourself to that person don't you need some plan at the start that you can work on?
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Darwyn (1601 D)
12 Sep 11 UTC
9-11 official story demolished with common sense
If you are one of those total nutjobs that is so far out of touch with any molecule of reality that you believe the 9-11 official story then I would recommend you not clicking on the link I provide because the article totally demolishes your fantasies.
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thehamster (3263 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
5-min phases live in 19 minutes
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=68226
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Psiko (100 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Live diplomacy game - Need People! Starts in 30 minutes!
So, hosting a live diplomacy game because I'm quite bored. Join here!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=68226
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Riphen (198 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Question Time.
So is it Meta Gaming iffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.........................
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President Eden (2750 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Dear people who are losing in a game unmarred by CDs, et al:
There's been a lot of shitty unsportsmanlike behavior in live games recently, so here are Eden's five ways not to be a sore loser.
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Putin33 (111 D)
18 Sep 11 UTC
Mayweather is pathetic
Can the guy win without sucker punching someone? He's done this like three times now.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
17 Sep 11 UTC
Dear Web-diplomacy Site
I don't give a fuck if you are a troll but I really would appreciate it if people wouldn't encourage a rule breaking moderator who is bumping actual diplomacy based topics off the forum page.

@mods who aren't named Thucy...isn't this getting a little absurd?
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Pimpernel (115 D)
19 Sep 11 UTC
Live Ancient Med
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=68210
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