Looks like orathaic's old thread got deleted, so I'm starting it up again... we were just trying to keep the topic on people's minds with a bit of playful banter! :-)

Draugnar, do you know what happend to the other thread, I don't see it anywhere?

Nope, don't know what happened. the server has been having issues though for the last hour or so. Maybe something happened bad, or maybe someone posted something a mod didn't like so they lopped off the thread.

Nothing important was lost now that the thread has been reposted, folks. :)

True, but lets continue to keep it near the top.

Maybe this particular post, by me, highlighting Marx's pathetic duplicity, got all of the sycophants into an uproar.
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@Marx - ...I notice that you did not provide the sentence which was used as an example for the definition you provided for the word "donate".

I wonder why? (lol)......
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OK, obviously Marx does not have the courage of his "convictions" or he would not have glossed over this challenge. Here is the full definition WITH the accompanying examples which he saw fit to exclude.......

do·nate   
[doh-neyt, doh-neyt]
verb, -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to present as a gift, grant, or contribution; make a donation of, as to a fund or cause: to donate used clothes to the Salvation Army.
–verb (used without object)
2.
to make a gift, grant, or contribution of something; give; contribute: They donate to the Red Cross every year.
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Well?.........

1/10 for trolling.

And you got that point only because it bumped a worthy thread.

Thank you, please come again.

All in good fun, of course.
;0)

Thanks Maple,

I actually don't think mods have the power to delete threads, unless i'm mistaken (and that has been known to happen)

So maple, since you're intent on continueing this excellent arguement, perhaps you could restate your position - for the benifit of those who are just joining us.

Mine is: The service provided by this website is worth supporting. I think everyone here should be able to afford to donate at least one hour's earnings - which i admit may be very little for some students and unemployed.

I have enjoyed several years of diplomacy thanks to Kestas' hard work.

(you may spot the use of the word donate in there too :p )

I heartily agree with your position.

However all donations/contributions should be between the donor and Kestas.

In other words, nobody else needs to hear/read about it.

I would take it a step further, and encourage people to make DISCREET giving a part of their everyday life, whenever possible.

Good karma.

So do you then also agree that a statement to this effect should be made loudly and clearly (even if we don't back up such a statement of the private donations between ourselves and kestas?)

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=632209&page-thread=4#threadPager

That is odd. The post right above it is a 0 reply post with the same initial date, so clearly shows that it is in place by initial date rather than last responded to date. Seems like either a bug, or Kestas went into the database and mucked with the date so that the post would disappear from the front page.

Oh, and good find dave.

Maybe my joking around sexism offended someone's sensibilities so he decommissioned it (a depth charge done by the admiral himself).

P.S. My wife is definitely the boss around our house too.

mapleleaf +1

Kestas has made an awesome site, we are all enjoying it, we should all be donating, but all the bragging about the size of one's donations ( a metaphor perhaps for the size of something else?) are getting tiresome

Brag about it if you want. Or not. It's a free Internet, and the first amendment says that we can respectfully flip soap box preachers who think that their way is the high way the proverbial bird. God bless America.

By your same argument maple, people who donate to schools and get a building named after them must drive you bonkers.

Well, I can see why the other thread was cut short, thanks for the link dave bishop.

mapleleaf, I'm at the Oregon coast for a few days, not a bunch of time to be responding to you, especially since you are not making any points.

As far as your definition of donate, I still have no idea what you are talking about. The way I see it, charity is a subset of donate, which is to say that charity implies some form of donation, but the converse is not true. Time and again people have explained to you that donations can be made while getting something in return, which is not charity, but we can't get through to you for whatever reason, and it's past the point of trying/caring since you appear much more focused on being a #$%! than engaging in an honest discussion.

Crazyter, you are wrong. There are many ways to skin a cat, to insist your way is the one and only way and/or best, as mapleleaf suggests, is exceedingly arrogant and close-minded, especially since my way is obviously best.

Marx, WHY DID YOU DELIBERATELY EXCLUDE THE EXAMPLES PROVIDED IN YOUR REFERENCE SOURCE FROM THE DEFINITIONS OF THE WORD DONATE?

I'll tell you why.

You went to dictionary.com in a pathetic, futile effort to joust with me.

You found the definition of donate( Well, you can type AND read. Good for you)

You saw that the examples supplied for both definitions referenced the RED CROSS and the SALVATION ARMY.

You excluded the examples because, as everybody(including the dictionary dudes) knows, donate IMPLIES charity. It did not exactly support your position though, so you excluded the examples.

You thought that you wouldn't get busted.

Wrong.

You have TWICE ignored my request to provide those examples, and then you have the ASS to accuse me of scorning honest discussion/debate.

Pathetic weasel.......

Your sycophants still love you though, for what it's worth.

You're close though, Marx.

Charity MEANS that a donation has taken place.

A donation IMPLIES that a charitable activity has taken place.

My original Biblical quote, referencing Matthew Chapter 6, was in the same vein.

Jesus used alms giving AS AN EXAMPLE, not as a necessary condition, for discreet giving.

I pointed this out, of course, but you dummies already had a full head of steam going.

Then the stupidity of arguing that donations do not imply charity became top of "mind" for you idiots.

I pity your progeny.

i'm pretty sure Jesus, as quoted by Matthew, wasn't tlaking about the freeware economy. The idea that by freely sharing a service/software you can make your living on donations alone.

Of course the customer/user likes this sytem because it gives them free stuff, and we can try out new freeware/shareware at no cost. However there is a question of whether the system can produce enough revenue to provide for a developer.

I don't care what other people think the word donate implies, as used here I don't think what Jesus, as quoted by Matthew, was talking about - mainly because he was a carpenter's son born 2,000 years ago who probably couldn't even write... which isn't meant as a personal insult, merely an observation of the differences between this society and ours.

By the way 'donate' is synonymous with 'contribute'.

Well, I see it's STILL top of mind.

Keep pecking away at that key, birdie, you'll get a food pellet eventually.

lol......

mapleleaf, not sure why I keep trying with you, perhaps merely to bump this thread... But, I am short on time, have other things to do, so I'll respond to you as I have time and/or feel like it. Feel free to respond to what I say rather than ignore it and repeat your old arguments that don't hold water.

First of all, your Canadian dictionary.com is different than the one here in Oregon. When I type in charity, this is what I get for definitions:

1. generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: to devote one's life to charity.
2. something given to a person or persons in need; alms: She asked for work, not charity.
3. a charitable act or work.
4. a charitable fund, foundation, or institution: He left his estate to a charity.
5. benevolent feeling, esp. toward those in need or in disfavor: She looked so poor that we fed her out of charity.
6. leniency in judging others; forbearance: She was inclined to view our selfish behavior with charity.
7. Christian love; agape.

So, to answer your bold-typed question, I left the example of charity out because the example of "to devote one's life to charity" didn't really add much to the definition. Once you got all hot and bothered by me leaving the example out, I then posted the example and, since you seem more focused on the example than the actual definition, I asked something about if you'd devote your life to this website and/or Kestas, and you did not respond. So, in summary, I did respond to your question while you did not respond to mine AND you were an ass even when I did respond.

HOW IS DONATING TO WEBDIP AIDING THE POOR, ILL OR HELPLESS?

HOW IS DONATING TO WEBDIP GIVING TO PERSONS IN NEED?

Sure, you can joke around about young college kids being poor, or software developers that aren't making money because their website is free being poor and/or in need, but that is not what the definition is referencing, though I am concerned about you being able to make the distinction. Oh well, a bump is a bump is a bump.

Damn this stupid cloud-cover, hope it burns off soon...

I found the link by looking at MM's 'responses' on his profile.

For what its worth, for me 'donate' does imply charity, but I don't think donating here is charity. I think Jesus is right in saying the most selfless thing is to give without comment, as it shows you did not give to be recognized by others as generous, which is very selfless indeed!! However, giving and telling others you have done it is not wrong, and at worst is annoying in excess.

MM clearly donated a long time before this thread was made, did not make the original thread, and made this thread to encourage donating, not to boast ($5 isn't much as he said)- so your (maple) comment- so i don't think your comment applies to him. Competing for the biggest size of donation encourages, so its not really bragging in that sense to post big donations.

dave bishop, have you met mapleleaf, I think you two would get along real well. So, you say donate implies charity, which is to say donate "indicates"/"signifies"/"means" charity, that charity is a "necessary circumstance" to donate... yet in the very same sentence you say when it comes to webdip that donating is void of charity?! Hmmm, maybe you and mapleleaf wouldn't get along real well, mapleleaf at least sticks to his faulty opinions rather than claiming two opposite opinions are simulataneously valid. Come on, man!! :-P

PS - I'll be the first to admit I'm a math guy, not a word guy, so I even had to look up what imply means on dictionary.com to make the previous argument:

im·ply   /ɪmˈplaɪ/ Show Spelled
[im-plahy] Show IPA

–verb (used with object), -plied, -ply·ing.
1. to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.
2. (of words) to signify or mean.
3. to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker.

I can't believe people are debating this topic. It's a worth cause. Threads like this bring it to peoples attention. What else there to say?

typo... it's a *worthy cause.

To donate can connote charity, but is it really charity to donate to the maintenance of a site we all use? I don't think it is charity.