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Mcshade (149 D)
05 Feb 08 UTC
Kestas: First Great War Draw
Sparrowhawk and I are the last players on the board, and we both would like a draw. The link is http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2713

I, Turkey agree to this draw.
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mingle (347 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
I'm changing the subject
I get bored of seeing every other thread about multi-accounting, and then the acussed coming on and saying, they're not doing anything wrond Yadda yadda yadda.

So i thought i'd say this.

Kestas, this is a great game, thanks for programming it. I am enjoying in thouroughly, even though i sincerely suck. Can't wait for the updates!

That is all.

Yeah you can post here and say whatever, as long as it is not moaning about people witch-hunting you for being a damned cheater!
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Nick Douglas (408 D)
05 Feb 08 UTC
24 hours left to take over the CDs in Spring 1901
Game is "101 points" and URL is http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2908

Come join as Italy and Germany so I don't just rack up free SCs as Austria.
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Mcshade (149 D)
05 Feb 08 UTC
How do we draw?
I'm new to this site, and I'm not sure how to settle on a draw. In one of my games, I and another player want to call it a tie, but I'm not sure How to. What do I do?
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sean (3490 D(B))
03 Feb 08 UTC
draw request WW I honour rules
ok so in
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2671

WW I honour rules we are finishing on a draw. do all agree? please post here so kestas can draw the game, thanks
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MajorTom (4417 D)
05 Feb 08 UTC
How do i support a an army being convoyed into its destination?
Is it possible to do here?
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Darwyn (1601 D)
02 Feb 08 UTC
Alright, what am I missing here?
Your army at Piedmont moving into Tyrolia recieved move support from the army at Venice.

Your army at Piedmont sucessfully defeated the army and moved into Tyrolia.

Yet, somehow Tyrolia successfully attacked Munich!!

Your army at Munich was attacked by the army at Tyrolia, but sucessfully defended.

WTF! What am I missing here?

Tyrolia was able to cut the support Munich was giving to another one of my units. How is that? Tyrolia was overrun and was forced to retreat!
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
04 Feb 08 UTC
Kestas Draw Request. TWENTY TWO game...
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2589

This is actually a re-post. The first request, with the verification of the other two players, has dropped off the forum due to it's extensive age.
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thewonderllama (100 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
arg!
i hate it when you lose a perfectly defensible position because you make a mistake with your orders! the same orders you've been doing for multiple turns already! damnit!!!!

sorry, just had to vent.
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anlari (8640 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
Metagaming
Game ID: 2564
Players: Stephen V, Brisreb

Message from Stephen V as evidence:

France and I are in some games together, some not. In the games we were together we worked well together. We learned we could trust each other. If we're in a game together why would I not ally with someone I know I can trust? And we have definitely played games and not worked together in the past.

Does anyone disagree with me considering this metagaming, and what can be done about it if it is?
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flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Feb 08 UTC
Outing Multi-accounters...
I am not here to discuss the rights or wrongs - we are agreed on that already. What I want to know is, what is the best way to expose multi-accounters?

I have clashed with one in the past 12 hours. I found him in one of my games and challenged him to drop all accounts except one. He even confessed in part, admitting that two of the accounts in one game were his (in reality, at least 3). I also named another of his accounts, the one he uses for bigger games.

In short, he said he would stop. In practice, he went ahead and opened/joined new games using these accounts. At the last look, one had two of his accounts in it.

I know how he has lasted so long at this without being called. He has been tolerated as an amusement by friends, he uses multiple e-mail addresses, attacks himself with non-critical moves and even writes a few simple messages between the accounts.

He will probably come back in the same way even if banned.

Nevertheless, I believe he should be banned and his games made cd.

But, and here is the question, how?

Is it enough for a member such as myself to just claim that all this is true? Fortunately, one of my logs contains his partial confession, but it does not cover all his accounts.

I would appreciate advice.

In the meantime, those of you in games with the following, be warned,
to the best of my knowledge these are the same person -

ice point
wing09
roger941994
sleepy pig

Man fish (99%)

There are others.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
This links on to the comments that he always allies with yeunghauyip - is that who you told him.
Sadly, unless you can show Kestas the logs, I don't really think there is anything we can do about it until moderators are brought in (assuming they have these powers)
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
The only way that could work effectively is to not allow people from the same IP to join a game.
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Feb 08 UTC
I do not know whether he uses more than one IP...

But I can tell you that he is not Yeunghauyip...

I know both of them in person - they study with my son. One is strictly legit, the other totally out of order.

I would like Kestats to look at the log I referred to above, that would get things moving in the right direction...

I will try to pass this on to Kestas.

Lafriks (138 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
I'm also in the same game where flashman is and and when looking at all his moves you can see that he could be multiplayer but of course I have no proofs... When talking with England he reacted hardly strange when I wanted to attack Austria...
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Feb 08 UTC
I have the log showing his confession regarding wing09 and ice point. That bit can be demonstrated. His friends on here, or at least his school mates, can provide a lot more detail.

There are some games in his record where he could well have been all 7 players. Not funny and, although this current game I am in is a smallish one which I joined to take over a cd country (without looking at the players), he is out there in a game running at 1400 points as roger941994. I think those who invested their 200 each will be rather unhappy to learn that this is the kind of opponent they face.

Unfortunately, his behaviour has been tolerated by those in the know - and this I find wrong as well. In diplomatic terms, call it appeasement. We all know where that leads...

So, if you know who this player is, I would strongly recommend that you do the following:

apply peer presure to get him to clean up his act,
and don't turn a blind eye to this kind of problem.

Leave it alone, try to take advantage of it, and you will likely find yourself on the receiving end one day - perhaps in a much higher stakes game.

Just check roger941994's games and you will find the one where he made his money... He is just about everyone on that board if my sources are correct. He is definitely more than half of the players. Easy way to rack up points and steal someone else's "lifetime achievement" with a rigged game.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Feb 08 UTC
Ah...I'll be aware
figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
If you've looked at the other players in that game, I think he might have hit his match, but it's still annoying for us!
I take it the game you mean is: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2766
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
I TELL YOU MANY MANY TIMES ROGER , sleepypig IS MY FRIEND!
ALSO! man fish is my cousin!
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
not the same account
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
you are fucking guys
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
DRIVEL
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
IN http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2894
i join with roger is he ask me to join!
you also will join game with your son, man
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
you tell gamemaster to banned my friend, me and also you and your son Wombat and your son friend "yeung", : Chairman Mao and bflynn
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
so, this is fair to me
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
also banned Gobbledydook
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
thats mean we shound not have any frd in Phpdiplomacy
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
right?
figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
Next you're going to try and ban me because I'm posting in this thread yes?
Ice - just because you know them is not a reason to be banned. However, if you always play together, it is unfair on the rest of the community. Now, I have not seen evidence against you, so I am not going to ask for you to be banned, however these posts are not a good way of protesting innocence! One message would be fine, two understandable, 3 stupid and past that just straight annoying
roger941994 (430 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
ice - also don't tell your family to join this site
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Feb 08 UTC
Yes Matthew, totally fair. I warned you not to keep doing it and you went straight back and signed in to a new game with two of your accounts.

Perhaps you should talk to your friends and find out why multi-accounting is considered to be such a bad thing.

I am lucky in that you are only in one game of mine (unless I have tripped over yet another of your names?). But there are others on here who play straight and fair, and who have invested a lot of points in games believing that they will be played properly.

What do you think your dad would say if he caught you cheating in the pool?

You have been named and shamed and this will not go away until you drop the accounts.
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Feb 08 UTC

I would also point out that you have damned yourself in this thread as well by using some of the same accounts as previously mentioned. I will provide Kestas with everything I know in order to get a proper and fair resolution to this matter.

You have not covered your tracks as well as you seem to think. And offensive language in an attempt to protest innocence is unacceptable.

Karkand (2167 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
Ban!!
ice point (55 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
roger is my friend!
after i join the game i notice that roger is together with me
ice point (55 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
than i notice roger is together with me
ice point (55 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
my father didn't teach me to cheat, but he told ne that nobody will win without cheat!!!!
thats ture! some swimmer take prohibitive medicine ,they win the game but noone can check that they had ate......
in the world all people have cheated, u also cheated ,competence to rigt to reprove me, you also not my father and my mother you have no right
yeunghauyip (1654 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
Finally, I, who's also involved in this matter, am beginning to speak.

First of all, Flashman, thank you for clarifying that wing09 & I are 2 different people.

As for finglesquidge and all those in the game "Ng Wang Ho" (200 per person = 1400), I'm pretty sure that there's is no one in the game using more than 1 account. I know Wombat in person & I clearly knows that he has only 1 account, but I do not know roger941994, but wing09 introduced him to me as his friend. Please don't be so subjective.

Flashman, one thing about how roger941994 got his points, I've heard about the game. Indeed, wing09 had a few accounts that time, but now dropped most, like the one you mentioned - sleepy pig, is in fact no longer in use. In the game that roger941994 got most of his points, it was exam time. As you know, we are all students & wing09 dropped all his accounts cd, & so his friend 'England1' and cousin 'Man fish' did. Then in this game with most people cd, roger941994 won. I AM saying here that wing09 HAD more than 3 accounts ONCE. But after exam time, he's now left with 2 (wing09 & ice point), & yet to complete the games. If you look into his recent games, all but one he played with one account only, there were his friend & cousin in the games, but so? That doesn't mean they won't attack each other, when the time ripes, just like in the game "Speedy players" which I'm in too, wing09 killed roger941994. In fact I helped in the invasion & I'm now losing Sweden to wing09 as well, because I trusted him. So this is a prove, though weak, that a little trust because we are friends, actually make us get stabbed deeper, unexpected.

Another thing is concerning playing games with friends & people you know in person, I admit that I know more than 10 people in person on this site, so what!? That just enhanced more people to play Diplomacy! & as I've said many times, maybe at first the friends stick together, but sooner or later we stab each other because of greediness, human nature. A very good example, Wombat (son of Flashman), wing09 & I, are schoolmates & we were the first few to play this site among the friends now & we sticked together in a few games at first, but slowly, we joins games none of our friends is in, (I'm not joining too much games because I want to make sure that I can withdraw myself from Diplomacy any time if I get busy again) and eventually stab each other after smiles face to face saying "I'll help you."

Flashman, you have your SON HERE! I wouldn't accuse you of secretly planning with Wombat or checking his account if you know his password, but one thing really sure is that, you know your son too well. You know what kind of people your son is & how he plays. YOU taught him & trained him playing Diplomacy since young, isn't that a little unfair to others & even Wombat himself in the games?

I talked to wing09 after reading this whole post and he told me that he's going drop 'wing09' as well once he finishes the games it's playing, leaving only ice point as his one & only account. Is that okay?
wing09 (112 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
(grammar and typing)
roger is my friend!
only after i joined the game, then i noticed that roger is there!
my father didn't teach me to cheat, but he told me that nobody will win without cheating!!!
thats true! i'm a swimmer, some swimmers take prohibited drugs, they win games but no one can find out if they had ate......
in the world everyone cheated before, u must have cheated in your life too! you have no right to reprove me, you are also not my father or my mother you have no right!
positron (1160 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
"nobody will win without cheating!!!" ???

That's sad. Go get some help.
flashman (2274 D(G))
04 Feb 08 UTC
Mr Yeung...

No, it is not alright:

ice point must not be allowed to continue playing in games where he is also playing as someone else - such as wing09. Quite frankly, that is a ridiculous suggestion.

Even in this thread, Matthew (at least that is his real name) is still posting under the two names he has actually confessed in writing as using. That is patently silly.

And that doesn't even begin to deal with Man fish, roger941994 and the others... roger, for example, earned his points in games (one in particular) where ice pont, wing09 etc were all playing. It was a totally rigged game.

Matthew:

I do not believe for one moment that your father would either recommend or accept that you cheat in anything, and certainly not swimming: he is a highly respected coach; he earnt that respect.

Would you like me to ask him? I will see him soon at the next D1 event.

And as for reproving you? Everyone you have cheated in your many games using various names/accounts has the right to reprove you. When you join this site you accept the rules, in letter and in spirit. If you cannot do that much, you must leave or be made to leave.

I gave you the chance yesterday to walk away from all this. Instead, you just went straight back to joining/playing games with multiple accounts.

You should have learnt from the roasting Smart Jason got.
wing09 (112 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
he told about the dark side of sports competitions and the world the world,
roger is not my frd

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sean (3490 D(B))
04 Feb 08 UTC
moratorium new multiaccounting threads please
The posts have been overcome with multiple multiaccounting machinations and metagaming malarky! pretty annoying behavior its true but maybe it would appear to the casual bystander that our happy bunny rabbit smurf like community is succumbing to a horde of evil multiaccounting vandals. i don't believe this is the case...is it? let's all just chill out and papa smurf will bring these evildoers to their knees with a in a week or two with .8
beware the dark side.
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kickboxer (128 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
NEW Game... First world war... Honor
in this version there is an honor system. France russia and england against germany austria and turkey. Italy can choose its side however and can break alliances.:-)
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wing09 (112 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
wing09 = ice point
at first, i used wing09 to play diplomacy with yeunghauyip, then rait said we are metagamers, then yeunghauyip told me to change to another account. then why wing09 joined games was because someone told me told me not to give up my first account since it had quite some points. now i'm sorry & i'll give up any game that both wing09 and ice point are in together - gamergame (give up both countries). but if in the game i only have one account, then it is fair and i will not give up.

ALSO, VERY IMPORTANT :
roger941994 , man fish are two different person and NOT ME!!! they are my friend and cousin respectively.

at last, FLASHMAN, next time please talk when you have PROVE because in the 'LOGS' u said u have, I CLEARLY SAID THAT ROGER AND MAN FISH ARE NOT MINE!!!
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Sun_Tzu (2116 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
Team play
Two players CY-1963 & oak07 play many of their games together as a team. So those who are in games with them BEWARE!!
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ch0utim3 (129 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
Question
suppose Unit 1 was to move from piedmont to venice in order to bounce Enemy 1 in tyrolia from moving into venice. However Enemy 2 is located in tuscany and is moving into piedmont.

Do the Unit 1 and Enemy 1 bounce and then Unit 1 successfully defend against Enemy 2? or do Unit 1 and Enemy 1 bounce and Enemy 2 moves into piedmont while Unit 1 has to retreat?
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aaaa (127 D)
04 Feb 08 UTC
101 point game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2908
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The Mahatma (1195 D)
02 Feb 08 UTC
Real Time Game - who's around?
Are there 6 people around who want to try a real time game today?

Mahatma
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
22 Jan 08 UTC
Playing to Win & Meta-gaming
I often see threads published with respect to meta-gaming, people playing for points and the amount of countries slipping into CD (especially in lower pot games).

I found the following paragraph within an article by Roger Yonkoski (no idea who he is) under the heading 'The Grand Alliance'... which, for me at least, really hit the nail on the head with regard to the correct spirit in which the game should be played:

http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/grand_alliance.htm

"I believe that it should be the objective of all players to prevent anyone else from winning, if they cannot win themselves. Most players may start with this objective, but by the time the game is near over, emotions have sometimes clouded that objective. Indeed, it is the task of each player to blow smoke into the other players' eyes and cloud their vision in just that way. With their vision thus clouded, players may be willing to let the game end for many reasons: revenge, loyalty, admiration, apathy.

I submit that all players have a duty to the game of Diplomacy. This duty is to always play to the best of their abilities through the end of the game, to try to prevent others from winning, and (at the risk of sounding corny) to play their position as if real citizens actually depended on their efforts. The hobby is better when everyone continues to play their position until the end, and in my opinion, plays to win or else prevent others from winning. It is a matter of honor to put the duty to the game over the pull of the emotions listed above."
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icanhazconquest (100 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
New Game - La Linea Maginot
20 points. who's in?
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thewonderllama (100 D)
31 Jan 08 UTC
GFDT Round 2
Now announcing the 2nd Round of the Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament!

In the interest of not taking up too much space in the forum listing, the draw will be listed in the comments. I'll also be sending the contents of this to the people for whom I have email addresses. Signalseven, Charman Mao, TheMaster, and Rait: if you'd like to get tournament info via email, drop me a line at [email protected].
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positron (1160 D)
02 Feb 08 UTC
Ye of little faith
When the gamemaster surprises me, I should know that I've been stabbed in the back. I can't be sure, because of problems with the adjudicator.

There should be a list of adjudicator problems. If not on this site, then on http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpdiplomacy

Of course there is a third possibility. It's not a bug, it's not being stabbed, it's user incompetence.
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gameover (619 D)
03 Feb 08 UTC
New Game
Last Resort-
101 pts to join
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positron (1160 D)
02 Feb 08 UTC
Watson, it's elementary!
Explore another of the elements of diplomacy, Technetium (43).

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2896
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tigreton (0 DX)
02 Feb 08 UTC
For spanish people
I'm tired to talk in english... xD.
So if there is anybody who talk spanish, come here.
And if not, u can come too.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2898
Cheap play, 5.
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Shisuren (587 D)
01 Feb 08 UTC
Kestas - WWI Honor Rules - Allies surrendered
*crosses fingers that this sends properly*

England, France, and Russia have surrendered in our WWI Honor Rules match (gid=2671). I'm not exactly sure what was decided in the other WWI game, but if it was drawn between the victors (in this case, Germany, Austria, and Turkey), could you do the same thing here?

The other players should be posting shortly. Thanks.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Feb 08 UTC
Everyone join this game now.
Bet = 20.
Join up ASAP 6 hours to go.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2890
pw = breuer
This game is open to all.
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neros84 (149 D)
30 Jan 08 UTC
How can I support an attack via convoy?
I'd like to give support to an attack via convoy. The problem is that the drop-down boxes only seem to give the option to support an attack by the fleet from that territory, not to support a convoy attack via that fleet. This is legal in standard Diplo, right?
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fhrathore (82 D)
02 Feb 08 UTC
Cancel game
I am currently playing battle of europe I and there are currently only three active members playing. is there a way for the admin to cancel this game w/out a penalty?
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Darchelian (131 D)
02 Feb 08 UTC
I'm not trying to enforce maturity, but...
Is there any way we can remove any conversations whose headlines are derogatory? I don't really care what people put in threads because I can easily choose not to reopen a thread. However it is a little more difficult to explain to my boss why my screen shows the phrase that makes up the title of fwancophile's last thread.
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