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The videos have been edited to show only the content that anti-abortion groups want. Planned Parenthood has repeatedly said that the aborted parts are used for medical research and that they follow federal law in doing so.

The group making the videos has still not released an unedited video to prove that they aren't removing parts that contradict their edited videos.

Biggest hack-job of a "documentary" you're likely to find.

This is what happens when a country turns its back on Jesus

I'm glad the state of the US is that this isn't an issue?

The issue is the fervent and constant attempt to hold down women as birthing chattel rather than human beings.

@Randomizer: why is it you're quick to assume that a for - profit mega company is telling everyone the truth when there's massive profit margins at stake?
If this were any other issue that is borderline legal, people would be calling b.s. on a company before buying what they're saying.

OMG! Apple CEO caught on camera performing necromancer ritual on Steve Jobs' corpse! For-profit company claims he was just visiting grave LOL! If this were any other issue that is borderline legal, people would be calling b.s. on a company before buying what they're saying.

http://skepchick.org/2015/07/planned-parenthood-is-not-selling-baby-parts-you-fucking-idiots/

Give baby Jesus some tissue.

I don't understand what the problem is. What else are you going to do with the baby parts?

I mean, I guess they can toss 'em in a baggie and hand them out as souvenirs.

"Thanks for choosing Planned Parenthood! Come back soon!"

They could make a centipede-baby.

And another issue is the fervent and constant attempt to see unborn babies as discardable biological matter rather than human beings.

This issue cuts both ways. Pro-choice campaigners can be as bone-headed as anti-abortionists.

It's not anti-women to aspire to a world where non-medical abortion is unnecessary.

If people discussed adoption nearly as much as abortion, then there'd be much less reason to need the latter.

A vapid, selfish society where people only want children that are "their own", self-produced, where aborting life is easier than adopting. I'd rather adopt children that need good homes than produce new ones, and I think it's a shame more people on both sides of the debate don't feel the same way.

That said, as far as the OP goes, I sharethe other's views here, and I worry for Tru Ninja's gullibility setting.

"Most twisted and shocking read *so far* " also suggests that this isn't just a one-off gullibility issue.

I wonder what other nonsense headlines have you believed?

Queen Elizabeth I arrested in Thai brothel raid!

Germany-sized crater found on Mars, Germans are Martians!

Archaeological survey discovers Mortal Kombat storyline can no longer be considered fiction!

PS. Never read The Onion. Its shocking truths will disturb you.

Aside: if anyone missed the video of Jack Warner, former Deputy FIFA head who was ousted over corruption scandals, earnestly holding up an article from The Onion entitled (along the lines of) "FIFA investigations proven to be part of American conspiracy to control world" to protest his innocence, it's well worth a watch. So funny. So stupid. It was even on his personal website until world media pointed out what a buffoon he was.

@Tru Ninja - I've seen other things where information was edited to show a conclusion that was contradicted by the full report.

My father used to stage demonstrations at work where one little change that the audience didn't know about could change the results between which of two products worked better.

In the case of the Planned Parenthood videos, it's now come out that these weren't talks with expectant mothers getting abortions, but with a film crew for a documentary. Who knows what Planned Parenthood people were told to get them to say what was recorded?

"The videos have been edited to show only the content that anti-abortion groups want."

Actually, full footage is being released each time.

Wjessop, I don't think I fully understand your link between adoption and abortion. Those who seek that latter are probably not going to be up to adopt anytime soon.

@DO: other way around. If more anti-abortionists were as actively and loudly pro-adoption, then there'd be giving other options to abortion that might reduce the need for it.

That's my view at least.

The same applies for the idea of designer babies and gender preferencing -- theres already lots of babies and children that need good homes.

Blood doesn't make or break a family, that would be love. IMHO.

@Randomizer,

"In the case of the Planned Parenthood videos, it's now come out that these weren't talks with expectant mothers getting abortions, but with a film crew for a documentary. Who knows what Planned Parenthood people were told to get them to say what was recorded? "

What are you talking about? They were neither. It was a film crew pretending to be a biotech company that wanted to buy parts. That is very clear if you watch the full videos, which are available.

@wjessop,

""Most twisted and shocking read *so far* " also suggests that this isn't just a one-off gullibility issue.

I wonder what other nonsense headlines have you believed?

Queen Elizabeth I arrested in Thai brothel raid!"

Do you have a video of that? I don't think this is just Tru believing tabloid headlines. Perhaps you should watch the videos.

There remains some ambiguity, at this point -- to which PP and its defenders are clinging with their fingernails -- as to whether PP was only asking for costs, which is legal. There are certainly points against that position in the videos so far, which I haven't seen addressed in any of the apologetics for PP. Anyway, there are nine videos yet to come. I trust the CMP is saving the best for last, but we'll have to see.

A broader issue, though, and quite probably what Tru was referring to, is that it doesn't entirely matter just what the law is (except in determining whether crimes should be prosecuted). To watch those videos is to see monstrous butchers talking about hacking human babies to pieces, and it is indeed sickening.

If you're anti-abortion, you need to be pro-birth control, pro-feminism, and pro-sex education - these things reduce unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions far more than bans on abortions do, which simply endanger lives as women seek illegal abortions. If you are against abortion and against any of the other things, you're not really interested in seeing abortions go to zero.

Thucy,

I support the legality of nearly all forms of birth control, and I agree that the young should understand the effects and consequences of sex and the existence of birth control. As for "pro-feminism," well, feminism is rather a large word, describing many different things. I support some, and oppose some, but that's a big conversation.

Notwithstanding all that, though, you're engaging in a flawed logic not too different from victim-blaming in other contexts. It is perfectly *consistent* to oppose the things you mention and yet oppose the availability of abortion as a means to handle the consequences of pregnancy (and yes, the abortion rate was much lower before legalization, as well as can be estimated). The argument is the same as those who argue that if we truly opposed rape, we would have to legalize prostitution (see e.g. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/07/17/when-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-rape-and-stis-decreased-sharply/ and http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/15/fight-rape-with-legal-prostitution). In fact, that's not the case. One might have independent reasons for opposing the legalization of prostitution and thus oppose it even if one accepted the evidence that it might reduce rape (not that I'm saying it would). Ultimately, perpetrators of rape are responsible for their actions and have no excuse, including my disinclination to support legalized prostitution. Similarly, should a person oppose birth control for independent reasons, that does not somehow become an excuse on the part of somebody else to dismember babies, nor does it bespeak any inconsistency on the former's part.

This is fucking sick, I mean... those asshooles talking about baby body parts like commodities, justifying it because of laws... I'm not against abortion, but these bastards need to be shut down, and we need to start recognizing the value of human life. just... like, WATCH DISNEY MOVIES. oh my god...

Not to mention, besides the fact of whether these babies bodies are being illegally sold, didn't the doctor talk about how the technique required to successfully dismember effectively was different? That is also against the law. Abortions may not be altered to gain more intact body parts.

"If you're anti-abortion, you need to be pro-birth control, pro-feminism, and pro-sex education"

I agree with anti-abortion v pro life that you must be in one camp or another, but pro-feminism? Pro sex education? I disagree with this sentiment. Feminism is a multi-faceted stance. In fact, feminists are pro-choice. Also, we've discussed Christian views of sex ed, and have at least 5-8000 years of recorded history to show that it has the ability to be effective.