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Pot: 531 D - Spring, 2002, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Survivors-Win Scoring
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03 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2000: [Near-East]:Ah, the pain of a lost move. Alas.
04 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2000: [South-Africa]:First year NMR's are always the most painful.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Near-East]:Terribly sorry, I voted to pause the game. It has come to my attention that ten of the countries on the board are played by classmates who know each other in real life. When I asked England (one of the ten) why all of them had entered the same game he told me "Don't worry! Just play!"

So naturally I paused the game immediately.

A mod has already been contacted. Really, I put this up because its an issue that affects everyone on the board. The ten nations who are classmates ought to explain what they're all doing on the same board. The seven who are not classmates ought to discuss how we feel this affects our game.

And for your own perusal. Here are the ten nations who know each other in real life, according to Europe.

Russia, Quebec, USA, Argentina, Brazil, India, Libya, Pacific Russia, Oz and Europe.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Argentina]:And do you really think this is important for the game? As I see, the fact that Brazil is my friend, doesn't change anything. We are still fighting.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Europe]:ezt a rinyapinát! bekakilok!
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Europe]:what a noob!
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Quebec]:First of all, we are not classmates, but schoolmates. As of what we're doing in this game, i might ask the same question about you seven. When this game was created, I thought it was protected by a password, but it seems I was wrong. In any case, I was surprised to see others playing as well. And what Argentina says is true, they are still fighting with Brazil. As for myself, I have not treated Western-Canada, USA, Russia (who is endangering my control over Greenland) and Brazil differently just because I know them or not. The only difference is that because we know each other, we communicate in our language, not English. Everyone wants to win, and I don't care in the end who I have to backstab in order to reach that goal, be it my friend or not.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Europe]:Úr Isten!
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Europe]:Ez gyönyörű volt! :')
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Europe]:Választási beszéd!
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Europe]:Ez! Ez egy csicskalángos szavakba öntve!
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Quebec]:Thank you Europe. So Near-East I think that by this you might have turned your neighbours against you, although I will not nudge any one of them privately to do so. Also, I speak in my own name and not those on the other side of the world, But as far as I see the map, alliances in this game are not made depending on who we are.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Quebec]:Szóval gyerekek, játszatok és ne nyomjatok pauzát a játéknak! Menjen minden a saját medrében.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Quebec]:Also, you might observe my relation with USA, whom I have attacked from the first minute, and Western-Canada, with whom I have gotten along well. By the way, I don't know any regulation that says that multiple of us can't join a game where others play too. If we use that to our mutual advantage, then that's morally wrong, but this is not the case here.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [China]:you might be playing fairly but there is nor reason what so ever that russia wouldnt of taken my offer and destroyed pac rus. that would have been a perfect chance to take out his home scs but instead he decided to just go for godthab? very debatable from my point of view.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Near-East]:The game was not password protected. I and the other seven nations who aren't your school mates were not informed that this was a private game. And when I asked Europe to list who all was among his classmates, he was happy to try and make me believe that it was only himself and Libya. When it ended up being more than half the board, he wouldn't give me a straight answer as to why. You'll forgive me, all of that is suspicious. And I certainly believe that we seven nations ought to have been informed of your familiarity from the start. Or at least informed accurately once we knew to ask. None of that happened.

I stand by my decision to make the board aware of who was part of your school and who was not. Its something they deserve to know. And I stand by my decision to consult a mod. More than half of the board is playing at a notable disadvantage and that is a circumstance under which a higher authority should be consulted.

As for the actual rules, I'm going to link you to the rule book and ask you to read bulletin two.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/rules.php

"You can't make alliances for reasons outside a game, such as because you are friends, relatives or in return for a favour in another game. This is known as metagaming and is against the rules because it gives an unfair advantage to those involved. If you are worried that you can't stab someone because you want to stay friends, then that's fair enough but you can't join a game with them."

If this had been a game of all friends we wouldn't worry about metagaming. If this had been a game of all strangers, we wouldn't worry about metagaming. Because its a game where over half the board knows each other and considers a small minority strangers, and considering none of you have made it a point to make us strangers aware of the disadvantage we play at, I become concerned about meta-gaming. If we ask the other six nations, I suspect my concerns will be echoed.

I'm not casting condemnations. If you had wanted a game of just your school mates, that's fine and hadn't meant to intrude. But the game you've found yourself in wasn't composed of just your school-mates. And considering that Europe tried to conceal the fact from me, I am more than justified to propose pausing the game while we wait for a mod to determine how this should be treated.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [China]:you and argentina might be doing things right by attacking usa and brazil but is it just me or did europe russia pac russia and india all ally
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Quebec]:I naturally cannot know what goes on between them, but they have a right to ally. If not because they know each other, but simply because they can ally anyone they choosed to ally.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [Near-East]:And Libya. I actually began the game surrounded by the classmates. Now I find myself being taken apart rather civilly by the classmates. China could say the same thing. And then we find out that the people who are civilly taking us apart know each other in real life? And according to Quebec didn't want us in the game in the first place? I hope you understand our concern.
06 Oct 12 UTC Autumn, 2001: [China]:i can respect that. i am just pointing out that the remarkable coincidence.

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