Then again, it's all a matter of how sensitive someone is

No one, and I mean no one, has the right to talk about my taint.

I dont mind talking politics or poking fun at it, but religion is something I don't joke about. The fact that so many americans can call themselves religious (especially Christian) and then make blasphemous jokes or watch blasphemous TV is really sad. Nothing is sacred anymore...

The fact that some people mock things doesn't mean that they are not sacred to others.

smcbride1983 has a greasy taint.

CA, true, but notice how much softer everyone became (with a couple of exceptions) in the I DEMAND JUSTICE thread after personal histories came up. This doesn't occur in politics nor religious threads here, nor elsewhere, I would imagine.

Well, people became "soft: as you put it because it's the only topic that can really get you in trouble on this forum. It's not that people were being any less of assholes, they were just worried about drawing attention to themselves.

Yeah I agree. The "do not post cheating accusations on the forum" and don't discuss on-going games rules are pretty well established. I think we're looking at the subject with very specific filters as to what is and is not allowed around here, not so much what is or isn't okay in society in general. In some internet forums it's pretty well established "mention religion; put on sparring gloves". I can think of no other place that this is the case.

The same holds true for politics but it lends itself to more disagreement in my experiecne.

I'm not talking about cheating accusations nor on-going games. I said that in my second post.

It's the rules of the site
you do not discuss ongoing games
there is a correct procedure for raising "cheating" allegations or suspicions
and that is to contact via email an almighty moderator.
it may not be "perfect" but I think those two rules make good sense.

@ TruNinja, thats a sweeping statement, you never joke about Religion.
What about my friends, good Presbyterians, with a super large family-- twelve children,
and they have had lots of fun over the years with people who assume they are
"good Catholics" and start telling them relatively innoffensive "Catholic' jokes about
adherents to the "reformed" churches eg C of E, presbyterians, methodists etc.

Fuck me, I can remember when there was a period in Australian Theatre when the
"angry feminists" deluged us with plays that were serious works with a "educative" mission, and most of the plays totally lacking in Comedy, the audiences hated being
"lectured at" and stayed away in droves.

Then smarter playwrights realised that your play has to ENTERTAIN an audience if you want them to listen to a message.

The same goes for a "audience" listening to a sermon, make it dull and a patronising lecture and people turn off.

The best way to expose something as stupid is to get people to see it as comic and stupid, eg Mosely the Fascist Leader in the UK prior to WW2 had a rally, he throws up the Nazi salute, & some wag in the crowd calls out "Yes you can go to the washroom"
and half the crowd starts laughing at the joke.
So instantly half his "audience" sees him as a joke, & they will not take much notice of his political rant, they remember the joke.

All the really good playwrights, Shakespeare, Sheridan, Wilde, Gilbert & Sullivan et al
understood this.
I have seen audiences laughing hilariously, and then when the "stinger" line is
delivered, the audience is gobsmacked and suddenly silent and you can almost hear them thinking it through, and know they are relating it to something in their own lives.

So if your religion cannot withstand satire, farce, then it's probably a dud religion.

You don't think God has a sense of Humour, well any God that is responsible for my creation must have infinite patience and an unlimited sense of humour, who else would give me my physical "endowment" and a head wired like mine, all in the one package ?

I will clarify, i am quite aware that several chaps have larger bore / longer barrelled
"good old Purdey's" between the legs, but only about 5% to 8% of the male population.
and it is a very "mixed blessing"
envy, jealousy, hatred, fear, they have been a result
exagerated stories amongst "friends" that have to be tolerated with a smile and a gentle comment to indicate that there is some "exageration going on"

offers from women who are intoxicated , but who are in a relationship, but dissatisfied, and having heard a rumour, decide they want to try it out.
I have had them behave in a way that assumes I have no right to consent or refuse,
& that's ironic indeed.

I have also had the "reverse"
women all keen for sex until they behold the object, and then a sudden refusal,
and I have accepted their sudden change of mind.

It's a male myth that the "big cock" is an "all good" thing to have.
The "psychological" effect with Ego, Super Ego etc it can mess with a chaps head when combined with a big cock.

I am damn glad I am not one of the "super freaks" ( because that is how we are seen, as "freaks" ) with an enormous cock,
the one I got given has given me much pleasure, but also confusion and some emotional pain & distress when I was a young chap.
So there's a big clue as to why I like the Hindu Deity Shiva & can relate to him
more than Allah, who I think is a God for chaps at the "other end of the spectrum" as this ( an inability to use their cocks to "subjugate" ) is their "driver" for the need to control women using religion.

But then I am just a "nutjob" & a cuckolder of other men, so what would I know.

I am curious if any readers who have a scientific interest in genetic diversity amongst populations have any views on the valuable role of the Cuckold, it's quite common in some animal species other than us humans.

A survey in the UK, Manchester I think where paternity was tested with new born babies revealed that approx 25% to 30% of babies were not sired by the chap listed as the father on their Birth Certificate,
Both Jamie99uk ? and PeteU were not mentioned, but I have my suspicions.....
just joshing !!!

"Nothing is sacred anymore... "

Except digits.

Gods, how many times do I have to say, I was /not/ talking about cheating accusations and on-going games?!

You do raise another topic I haven't seen around here too often, so I suppose your post is relevant enough even if a bit long-winded and meandering. Even still, I'm not sure how much it contributes as I can not distill a real point from you.

well you mentioned cheating and personal past histories of players in your first post
dubmdell
as to Politics, Religion, Philosophy, Economics, Science, etc--no censorship of expression thank you
Individuals should "self control" and not make statements that encourage violence or hatred in Religious discussion.

However, Offense, like Beauty, is invariably "in the eye of the beholder" so participants need to expect a "robust" debate

and dubmdell, your failure to understand me is not my problem, and you are "no orphan"
in that regard

@ dubmdell

It seems that you took something away from that thread that I did not, or perhaps read farther into it than I did. It appeared that having a mod talk about behind the scenes deliberations and actions was the thing that was problematic. What was it that you thought was challenging sacred cows in that thread?

First: You guys can talk and come to an agreement all you want, but how the moderators handle discussing things in the forum is agreed upon by the administrators and kestas.

Second: Having punishments discussed in the forum is a big taboo for the moderators. I explained why in the Lando thread. We punish players for their rule breaking violations. We do so in a case-by-case basis and the punishment is for the whole crime. When that becomes public, they now have to deal with the public punishing them.
How soon after they become public do game requests start becoming: "new private game, GR under 100, no resigns, no multi/meta rule breakers!"

Listen, if someone cheats and we think they will cheat again, they will be banned. If someone cheats and we think they learned their lesson and won't do it again, we punish them and let them continue. You are going to have to trust that we do a pretty good job. We have a really good track record, honestly. The ones we allow continue rarely have another issue pop up. Yes, there are some that cheat again, but we keep a careful eye (and history) on them so we can nip it in the bud if it happens again, but, as I mentioned countless times, some of our best players... some of our craftiest veterans... some of the best additions to this community have been punished for some form of cheating... but they learned their lesson and moved on and are some of the reasons our community thrives.

So, please, when it comes to the moderators punishments, trust that we are doing a good job and don't need dirty laundry aired.

Ye and I will make sure the mods don't do it (we all make mistakes, as we'll admit), and understand that I will be making a thread sometime today to give you a better understanding of what it is like to be a moderator so you can get an idea of how difficult it can be on multiple levels.

"Lol, so many people trying to turn this thread into a padded cell, so nobody gets hurt. "Shush, shush, children, it was just the wind." No it wasn't. Lando was a cheater. Zultar is being unprofessional. So what? We can talk about it, can't we? If we can insult one another over religion and supposedly important stuff like that, we can sure talk about cheating and moderating. And Rokakoma, apologies are worth nothing. It's actions that matter."

Rokakoma, Achilles, sand goose, Sargmacher, fortknox, and abgemacht all jumped in to try and separate Lando and zultar as though the discussion wasn't worth having. A few posts even chastise anyone entertaining similar discussions. I actually came away from the thread respecting a few individuals more, which seems to be the minority opinion. So what if Lando has a skeleton in the closet? As Ava pointed out, lots of players do, but many have refined themselves and it's ancient history. But don't criticize a mod (especially Geo, the one everybody loves to hate), and don't talk about one's dark history. That seems to be the take home message.

Sorry, fort, I was typing as you posted.

HOW DARE YOU?!?!?

BANHAMMER!!!!

Seriously, though, we have a rule about no posting cheating accusations, and it is a rule we don't like to get near. Just by asking for another users head (moderator or not) is usually not something we are going to ignore. Keep in mind I never did close the thread, and I was letting it continue. I'm hoping some people can differentiate when I'm making a request and when I'm being a mod and making a demand/order.

I found it useful to explain that there is a way to 'moderate the moderators' to the public, and hopefully bridge this gap that is forming between the users and moderators. Yes, it got heated, but hopefully calmer minds have taken over. Again, I do intend to make a post about moderation, life as a mod, etc...

I accuse Jesse "The Body" Ventura of cheating.

Hang on.....

......did MajorMitchell just accuse me and Pete U of fathering most of the illegitimate children in Manchester?

It is hard to distill out what he was accusing you of. Are you dating someone? Engaged? Married? I think it may have been a cheating accusation.

A cheating accusation? How dare he??

I DEMAND JUSTICE

http://imgur.com/HxVpD

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The Flying Spaghetti Monster is sacred...

You deny the truth of the Almighty, and I shall not rest until you are marinating in your own blood...

R'amen!

Wow obi, I think that was the shortest post I've ever seen from you. Did it hurt much?