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Miyazaki (0 DX)
08 Aug 10 UTC
New World Diplomacy Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35377

Hey all, I've started a new World Diplomacy IX game - please join! Thanks :)
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Jeffy (100 D)
09 Aug 10 UTC
University of south Florida bulls
Usf will beat uf in football
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The Czech (41695 D(S))
09 Aug 10 UTC
wta gunboat starts in 10 min
gameID=35435
if it doesn't fill it's nighty-night for the czech
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JECE (1322 D)
02 Aug 10 UTC
Settlement Fight
Hello, a friend of mine launched a new game today: www.settlementfight.com. Check it out!

(His website is www.greatplay.net. I also reccomend it.)
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zscheck (2531 D)
31 Jul 10 UTC
Most Valuable non-SC on the map:
Vote now!!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
01 Aug 10 UTC
Ghost-Rating Game Challenge
If you'd like to play, post your interest below along with your August GR and desired paramters. Sign-up will end Monday the 9th.
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DJEcc24 (246 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
The highschool diplomacy players
Yes i am in highschool and would be interested in perhaps playing an all highschool player diplomacy game. Perhaps we can come up with some funky way of playing like our talking has to be in pig latin or somethin. Probably not something stupid like that though.
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centurion1 (1478 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
how to open a ganes diplomatic channels
Just finished a game recently And want people to know how NOT to start off a relationship. You do NT make demands and tell people where to move. For example if I'm France I do not go to Germany you move here and there. Its very annoying and is not smart This demand things like that of people
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martinck1 (4464 D(S))
08 Aug 10 UTC
Another Ghost Rating Challenge - Go On, You Know You Want To
Is anyone up for a second GRC game? I haven't played with lots of people here, which would be great if anyone else is up for it - say top 200? First 7 to sign up play?

109 martinck1 (100-500, WTA only, anon, 36hours - 2 days)
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terry32smith (0 DX)
08 Aug 10 UTC
LIve - Battle of the Best - Starts @ 12:55pmPST
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35409
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
08 Aug 10 UTC
Strat's noncontroverial thread


Puppies are cute!
If you disagree, tell me why - then post something *you* think no one can disagree with...
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trip (696 D(B))
07 Aug 10 UTC
Gunboaters Anonymous
See inside...
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jcbryan97 (134 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
Live Gunboat 101bet WTA
Live Gunboat 101bet WTA

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35400
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Conservative Man Weekly
Someone suggested that I confine my posts to one thread. I'm not going to do that, but I will confine the threads I start to Conservative Man Weekly threads. (Most of the time)
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President Eden (2750 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
POSTING IS A CHOICE
Info in next post
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Trolls are to be IGNORED.
How stupid are you people anyway? This useless waste of skin, Conservative Man is spamming the forum. Do not respond to it.
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killer135 (100 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
End Game
I just want to see some of the community's freaky endings and hear the stories behind them.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35176
I was Germany, allied with France. We killed England,Russia, and Italy fast.Then Austria becomes a challenge over who gets what. That's when I find out he's been allied with Turkey all this time, So I send my fleets at France, my armies at both of them, and try to stalemate. I end up in a draw, Turkey and France had combined 21 SCs to my 13 SCs.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
Obiwan's Request
http://ksolo.myspace.com/actions/showSongProfile.do?rid=2349289&sid=30038&uid=13323842

I never post this sort of stuff, but it's for a friend of mine...so yes, if you could watch and rate (preferably highly, it's only 3 minutes) I'd be very grateful...
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centurion1 (1478 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
game apology
Very Sorry a game ended a few hours a day. Really sorry I resigned I'm on vacation should never have joined. Gg all
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ava2790 (232 D(S))
05 Aug 10 UTC
This Site (as an authoritative polity)
Love it or hate it folks, this site is a dominant feature in our lives all over the world, and seems to have no interest in going away.
My question for you is: can we live without this seemingly ubiquitous feature of human existence? And do we want to?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Fallacy Spotting
Logic and logical fallacies I find fascinating. Find the fallacy in the argument provided, name it, and then provide a fallacious argument for someone to do the same with. Note: the conclusion need not be false!
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curtis (8870 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Need one more for a live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35356
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Geofram (130 D(B))
30 Jul 10 UTC
Exuberant Public Press
I'm looking for players for a public press game. Details inside:
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Bob Genghiskhan (1258 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Anonymous non-gunboat live game
20 minutes from now, 20 point buy in...

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35349
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The Czech (41695 D(S))
07 Aug 10 UTC
Gunboaters R Us Live in 20 Min 39 Point Buy in
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
15 Jul 10 UTC
The State (as an authoritative polity)
Love it or hate it folks, the state is a dominant feature in our lives all over the world, and seems to have no interest in going away.
My question for you is: can we live without this seemingly ubiquitous feature of human exitence? And do we want to?
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
03 Aug 10 UTC
PFC Bradley Manning
A hero of the twenty-first century?
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Octavious (2802 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
The weird ways of Johnny Foreigner
As you travel the world more and more you begin to understand that people from all nations and backgrounds are basically the same. Then, just when you're beginning to feel at one with the society you're visiting, you come face to face with a concept so bizarre and alien it leaves you in a state of open jawed incomprehension. Lets hear some stories of the weird things foreigners do!
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The_Master_Warrior (10 D)
04 Aug 10 UTC
Favorite Military Operation
What's yours?
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Re: carriers

They're big, bad motherfuckers to be sure. But how hard is it to rig about 300 Cigarette boats, hell Chris Crafts even, with a fairly cheap and primitive missile launch system, and create essentially katyusha fleets? Thing is, a carrier doesn't disappear. Everybody on earth who wants to know where a carrier is and has some satelittes in orbit knows exactly where it is. Once you know where something is, modern munitions make it a dead duck. In any serious naval conflict for the foreseeable future, submarines are kings.

As to why the USN keeps investing in carriers, well, there's a few reasons for that. First, they really do smack the hell out of weedy little third world hellholes that get uppity. Given that seems to be the US military's primary mission in Anno Domini 2010, carriers are assured of a spot in the navy. Second, bureacratic inertia. We've built our navy around the carrier for 68 years now. Changing that will take a herculean effort of a generation, or disastrous performance in a shooting war. Third, where does the naval top command come from? I can assure you it is not the logistical support arm of the navy, or the submarine force. Top admirals come from the carriers. Ambitious naval officers try to get billeted to carriers. You think, 30 years in, they're going to have an epiphany which points out the majority of their experience as an officer as totally outdated?
@ Bob Genghiskhan --

Do you think carriers will gradually become obsolete and be phased out by another type of ship/submarine, like what happened to battleships during WWII

I think so. Carriers will slowly become obsolete, rendered practically useless by modern munitions, and the only thing they will be good for is amphibious assault support. Eventually, they will even become obsolete at that. Just like what happened to battleships after Vietnam/end of Cold War. During and after WWII, battleships were used (almost exclusively) for amphibious assaults/attacking enemy targets close to open water. In the 80's and 90's, they were replaced at the amphibious assault role by missile boats.
diplomat61 (223 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
Carriers are floating airfields so, if you want/need to live without them you either need bases closer to the action, planes that can fly further or some other way of striking from your own territory. Bases are tricky, but in-flight refuelling is commonplace, drones with long endurance are already with us and sub-orbital flight is not far off.

As assault ships, I would rather have my marines packed into two smaller vessels than one mega-CVN.
centurion1 (1478 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
A carrier moves with a battlegroup. A carrier has some if the strongest missile defense systems in the world. A single missile does not have the ability to take down a carrier. No one has 300 missiles to shoot at a single target even if the target is a carrier. The future most certainly does not lie with subs. Subs are very easy to counter.

Can you tell me a plane that can travel from its hone base to the war zone in minutes to lead sorties. Just because you can reveille midflight means squat tlyou have to rearm and pilots have to take breaks.

Ridiculous.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Subs are easy to counter?

Don't make me laugh. I've watched the fucking skimmers try to find us. We were ordered to fire off the diesel snorkel so they could at least be looking for us in the right area.

There ARE two types of ships..... submarines and targets.
Not very many countries have nuclear subs. Diesel-electric boats are only as good as their batteries.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Actually, diesel electrics are in some ways far superior as far as stealth goes than nuclear boats.

Think for a second how much noise has to be damped by a nuclear boat. Feed pumps, reactor coolant pumps, turbine generators, etc.

And then think how much a diesel-electric boat has when it runs on batteries... the main propulsion motor.

We've played games against German diesels. Those guys are not bad at their jobs, and they've got excellent equipment.
largeham (149 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Diesel subs are said to be better than nuclear subs in coastal areas, why Australia is buying nuclear subs, I have no idea. If China (I'm guessing that's whom they're preparing for) were to invade, Australia would be fighting them in the Malaysian and Indonesia archipelagos, not the Pacific Sea.
@ Jack_Klein

Like I said. Their biggest problem is also their biggest advantage. Diese-electric boats are only as good as their batteries. Sure, they're nearly undetectable when they're running on batteries. But when they use up those, they're fucked. I would not want to drive a diesel boat. You'd have to be a master at making a quick kill. You couldn't enter sustained manuvers with a nuclear boat.

@ largeham -- see above.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
The endurance on diesel electric boats is quite impressive, actually.

The new type 212 submarines from Germany can go three weeks without snorkeling (they use a AIP propulsion system involving fuel cells).

Even on nuclear boats, if we shut down all the pumps and rigged for extreme reduced load, we supposedly could run off the battery for a couple days. And our shipboard batteries are more designed for maximum current output on the 3-hour rate (battery is expended in 3 hours), with the understanding that its merely a stopgap until we can either restart the reactor, or snorkel on the diesel.
largeham (149 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
"You couldn't enter sustained manuvers with a nuclear boat."
See, that's the point. Diesel subs are only used in coastal areas, where there isn't much maneuvering. Only nuclear subs have blue water capabilities. You only use diesel subs in coastal areas, where they can be better than nuclear subs. In the open, I agree that nuclear subs will win.
centurion-

China has tens of thousands of YJ series anti-ship missiles. Given that the cost of each missile is less than 1/3,000th of the cost of a Nimitz-class carrier like the Bush, why wouldn't they launch a volley of, say, 1,000 YJs at any carrier that got within 400km of the Chinese coastline during a shooting war? 2 hits kill the carrier, and I don't know of any carrier group that can even dream of knocking down 999 missiles out of a thousand fired; even if everything works to perfection, they'll run out of ammo long before the math makes it inevitable that the defenses won't work.
As to aircraft's continued dominance of the skies, I'm betting that within a generation, drones without human occupants and thus much more maneuverable will make manned fighters just so much flying scrap metal should two respectably good air forces squabble.
centurion1 (1478 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Unmanned jets will never have the kind of response of a manned jet even if only for the unaviodable delay inherent and unstopabble to the system.

@bobgenghiskhan send out sorties before hand knock out firing stations and you would be surprised at the defenses of a battlegroup.

@jacklein my daddy flying his s3b cares to differ. Subs are useful for taking down convoys firing large missiles and hitting small battlegroups in wolfpacks. A sub group can never take on a carrier group
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
So, what kind of thread has this turned into? A war of future thread? Or a strongest military thread?
Invictus (240 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
I think it's perfectly reasonable to think unmanned drones will someday become as maneuverable as a piloted plane and even more so. Who even thought we would be able to play music on a computer fifteen years ago?

The real question is whether two militaries with such aircraft would ever fight, and I'd say no. Two countries with that sort of technology would also have nuclear weapons so it's highly unlikely they'd risk escalation.

Also, Firefox seems to think "militaries" isn't a word. This in addition to never adding Obama. It's absurd.
centurion1 (1478 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
A remote. Controlled device will always be inferior to a piloted device. However if we could ever develop artificial intelligence enoughm...... though that opens a whole mother can of worms
Invictus (240 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
That's all but inevitable. Skynet, baby.
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
I'm going to start up a resistance right now I guess, anyone want to join it?
A remote piloted drone will not have the exact response time a human piloted jet. However, they can be a hell of lot more agile when you consider that they don't have to build in the safety tolerances necessary to a human piloted vehicle. A drone which can still remain operable even after executing maneuvers at twice the maximum g-force humans can without greying or redding out will drink the manned fighter's milkshake often enough to make sending manned sorties out against drones a seriously losing proposition.
diplomat61 (223 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
@Centurion "Can you tell me a plane that can travel from its hone base to the war zone in minutes to lead sorties. Just because you can reveille midflight means squat tlyou have to rearm and pilots have to take breaks."

There is none at the moment but that is irrelevant with drones. Drones in Afghanistan & Pakistan are being operated from the US, they can be stuck on autopilot to fly to the nearest base for refuelling & rearming whilst the "pilot" switches to a fresh drone that has recently arrived in the action zone. It is a damn sight cheaper and you get to keep your expensive & hard to replace pilots in a nice safe bunker back home.

Also, go look at some of the stuff on sub-orbital spaceflight. It is expected that London to Australia would take an hour!
@ killer135 --

Do we get a choice of weapons? I'll take an M14 battle rifle (enhanced) and a Walther P99. Lol.

@ Jack_Klein --

I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of the advancements in D/E technology. But D/E boats are still at a disadvantage in blue-water fights.

@ largeham --

It is peculiar that Austrailia is buying nuclear subs. Maybe (in a potential war with China) they plan to use their nuclear boats to counterattack, while their D/E boats can defend the continent.


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ava2790 (232 D(S))
02 Jul 10 UTC
Commentary for "School of Classy (We Show You How)"
gameID=32686. Commentary rules and player list below.
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