On the NCC-1701 (The A team)

-Captain: James T. Kirk

A cultural icon who's a renowned explorer, has won countless ship-to-ship and hand-to-hand battles with more beings than anyone else (not to mention his getting off with more gals than anyone else in the galaxy.) Cares about his crew and the well-being of all above all.

-Second-in-Command: Spock

He's Spock. EVERYONE knows Spock- enough said.

-Engineer: Montgomery "Scotty" Scott

Another cultural touchtone, one of the most famous Scottish (even if he really wasn't) characters in media history. Not ONLY has he repaired and improved every spaceship he's ever touched, but he's done it, gotten drunk, then done it with a hangover :p THAT's talent.......

Doctor (Medical): Leonard "Bones" McCoy

If you've ever heard "Damnit Jim, I'm an doctor, not a ____" or "He's dead Jim!" in a skit and not known where the joke came from, look no further. More than a doctor, McCoy serves as the emotional Yang to Spock's logical Yin, giving the middle-ground Kirk the full picture and making him unbeatable when the three of them are together.

Helmsman: Data

If you were expecting Sulu, sorry- they can't ALL be TOS, and Data is superior in any case. an android that wants to be human, and reminds us what it is to be human, Data is one of the most intriguing characters in Trek, blessed with superhuman-level intelligence, comprehension, reflexes, and strength, plus an ever-increasing ability to "be human," Data is also now a member of the Robot/Android Hall of Fame. And he pilots the ship pretty well, too. :p

Navigation/Weapons: Worf

Along with Data, one of those characters on TNG that allows you, the audience, to see humanity from the view of an outsider, Worf is a Klingon among humans,a warrior in anti-war Starfleet. He brings a much-needed touch of agression to Picard ans Sisko's ships (and then Picard again in the movies) while always retaining a sense of dignity and honor. Worf is easily the most trigger-happy character in our pantheon of heroes here, and has the most extensive weapon knowledge.

-"Nurse": Deanna Troi

Technically a counselor and shrink, Troi is the moral conscience of the crew of Picard's ship when even the most merciful crewmembers are howling for blood. ALWAYS trying to see every conflict from every angle, Troi also gets bonus points here for being a telepath of sorts.

-Auxillary Crewmember: Seven of Nine

Even ignoring the admittedly shallow reasons for wanting to put Seven into a fight, she's easily the best non-traditional-post character in any series. Technically human, she's still partially Borg, and thus keeps all that tenacity and efficiency.

NCC-1701 D (The B team)

-Captain: Jean-Luc Picard

Whether he or Kirk is the better captain (I personally like bothe but favor Picard a touch), there is no doubt Picard's another cultural icon and great leader. Where Kirk relied on his guns, guts, his crew to do their job and Spock and McCoy's advice, Picard is more of the thinking man's captain, and the ultimate delegator of duty; he ALWAYS gets the right people in the right place at the right time to do just the right thing (and he had the courage to go into space bald lol.)

-Second-in-Command: William T. Riker

Whereas Kirk's the more emotional and Spock's more logical, Picard and Riker are the reverse; they don't have the same chemistry one on one, but rather Picard lets Riker develop into a far different captain than himself.

-Engineer: Geordi LaForge

If you're a DS9 fan and hate O'Brien's not here, sit tight for a bit. Geordi, meanwhile, has superior (in some ways) sight than others thanks to his VISOR, and was given the blessing of the master, Soctty (and Scotty wasn't even drunk......) In any case, Geordi's pulled his Enterprise out of plenty of harrowing experiences, too.

-Doctor: "The Emergency Medical Hologram" (EMH)

Another of the want-to-be-more-human characters, the EMH is a hologram that has a VERY useful feature- since he's tied in with the ship, he can (eventually by the end of the series) go anywhere in the ship in a second, and is less vulnerable to attack, let alone his computer knowledge of medicine.

-Hemlsman: Hikaru Sulu

Here's Sulu. The eccentric and "flamboyant" helmsman on TOS, Sulu is one of the best pilots in the fleet, can lead a landing pary, eventually becomes captain of his own ship, and is a great hand-to hand/melee fighter (fencing, anyone?)

-Navigator/Weapons Officer: Pavel Chekov

I have an admitted bias here- Chekov is my favorite character in all of Trek, why is another story. Worf served on TNG-DS9, and Malcolm Reed on ENT is really forgettable and nothing special. The only serious competition here are Harry Kim and Tuvok, both from VOY. NEITHER are as versatile as Chekov, however- Chekov is constantly gaining experience and strength, takes more punishment than any non-red shirt, can take an active role in landing parties, and can navigate and fire phasers and photons well, and at the same time.

-"Nurse": Nurse Christine Chapel

There really aren't too many big roles for Trek nurses (the Doctors get all the glory) so Chapel gets the nod for being competent and the only Trek nurse who was actually........ a nurse.

-Auxilliary Crewmember: Miles O'Brien

See, DS9 fans, here's your Irish techie. Another great engineer, O'Brien probably also saw the most sombat and leadership action of any non-captain or second-in-command character (though Scotty and a couple others can have an argument at that.) Whatever the case, O'Brien is extemely versatile in battle and in the engineering room, and is the pick here.


So that's the Sweet 16 for Trek: Doctor Who fans, your turn......

um...have you veer seen a doc who episode?there is no crew at all, its just him and one "companion" who knows next to nothing and acts as a counterpoint to the Doctor's galactic size brain and thousands of years of experience. in start trek terms think of it as Q's knowledge of how the universe runs with picard's sense of duty and morality, kirks verve and energy coupled with data's knowledge/ability with of all things technological. the TARDIS has no weapons as such but its a far more advanced ship than the Enterprise.

i think a better competition would be Babylon 5 or battle star galactica.

Someone named "obiwanobiwan" is a Trekkie? Heresy!
Or perhaps you're not starting a Star Wars vs. Star Trek battle because you're already committed to the former?

another vote for the doc...a timelord among the humans....can be a bit of an egohound at times but his sense of FUN is amazing....the universe is a playground....full of wonders and he tempts his companions with the glory of it all....true they all go home to mother.... but lately there has even been a bit of sexual tension going on....Cpt kirk just bonked his way round the univer....no tension there....we all knew what was coming....but your right in that it was a great collection of characters....it always saddened me though...it was all techno stuff....the human brain didn't seem to have evolved much....maybe thats why we had Data and Spock?

Wow, that's technically one sentence!

well... you know the lomotil has always expired when you need it

and part of the interest was figuring out the new doctor whenever he metamorphosed....was he [ and so far its always been 'he'] as good as the last....[battles have been fought over this....we all have our favourites]. Older babyboomers still revere Sarah-Jane Smith while later others lusted after Billy Piper...its been fun for many years.

I watched the first ever episode of Dr Who on tv as a kid so I am clearly an ancient relic.

I do though prefer Star Trek and have a few favourite episodes that rank among my all time favourite (relaxing) viewing.

And, here comes the confession, I took part in a seven day role-play of Star Trek locked up in a canal barge with a group of friends (pre-Uni). We did a lot of poker in that boat and never met a single Klingon. We did though find a lockmaster's wife who turned out to be a complete and utter Trek nutcase and we had to make a retreat from her as she asked us about 'decibels of radiation' [sic].

There was some booze as well. Romulan ale and Aldebran whiskey if I remember correctly.

Oh, and Star trek IV is very very watchable... 'LDS' if I recall correctly?

Well, Romana would have to be the companion of choice. A "fellow" Timelord along would make the pair unstoppable. But for eye candy, Nyssa or Tegan so long as they leave that brat Adric behind. Peri would also make for great eye candy. Now, to the incarnation I think would kick the most arse... I really liked Eccleston, even if he did only do one season/series. But I also liked the HUGE ego of Colin Baker.

I hear Romulan ale is equal parts rum, Everclear and Blue Curaçao liqueur.

I've seen a little Dr. Who and didn't really care for it. I thought it was rather stupid, but as a Star Trek fan I realize I'm not arguing from a position of strength.

The easiest Star Trek movie for people to watch is by far Star Trek: First Contact. That's pretty much an action movie with the Enterprise crew. I want this new movie to be successful and open the series up to a lot of people for the first time, but not so successful that we get eleven more movies with this new cast that contradicts pervious canon. Enterprise already pissed me off enough.

I'm gonna go watch ESPN now so I feel a little less like one of those people who argue about Star Trek over the internet.

Star Trek (original, TNG, and Voyager) all superior to the current Dr. Who... on the other hand, Tom Baker's Dr. Who (for example) is far superior to DS9 and Enterprise. ...beyond that it's like trying to choose between apples and oranges, as they say. Both wonderful on their own merits.

To return to the original question. In a clash between them who would win? The Doctor of course. You can't win a time war if you can't travel in time.

If he had a good enough reason The Doctor could go back in time and simply distract Zefram Cochran's mum just before she sets eyes on the man who would have been his father and that's that. No more warp drive, no more Enterprise, no more Star Fleet, no more Star Trek. Game over.

I'm a big fan of both. I was 5 when the first episode of Dr Who aired. My fascination with space was already well established even at that age, so I was allowed to watch it.

Star Trek:
Favourite era? TOS (Kirks era).
Favourite character? Worf.
Favourite Episode? The Doomsday Machine.
Favourite moments? When Q takes the p1ss out of Worf "Micro Brain! Growl for me. Show me you care. Eaten any good books lately?"

Doctor Who:
Favourite doctor? Jon Pertwee.
Favourite companion? Sarah Jane Smith.
Favourite story line? Blink! (the one with the Weeping Angels).
Favourite moment? "Don't blink! Don't even blink! Blink and you're dead. They're fast. Faster than you could believe. Don't turn away, don't look around. And Don't.. Blink.... Good luck."

"You can't win a time war if you can't travel in time."

They travel in time all the time on Star Trek!

I am not sure who would win, but neither one of you will get laid.

;)

Dude, your NAME is Captain James Tiberius Kirk.

And that is about the extent of my fan-dom, dude.

This like comparing apples and oranges. Two different types of shows but both are scifi.

I like TNG but ive a problem with all this trekkie people loving worf and the klingons. how the klingons could invent a stardrive is beyond me, dumb savages that they are.

The next Gen Trek is just to nicey nice. I think the Romulins would be better allies any way.

Warp drive and Klingons... Maybe they stole it when the Vulcans tried to make first contact and they ate the would be Vulcan ambassador. <grin>.

Speaker... Blink is an Awesome episode. As fond as my memories are of the old series, I think the new series are better written over all. I won't compare production value because the 60s and 70s had to make due with a smaller budget and didn't have cheap digital effects like we do now. But some of the new stories are just plain brilliant!

As far as Trek's time travel... They either have to piggyback off the Borg or go warping through the corona of the son, or discover some other Deus Ex Machina to get them there. The Doctor just throws a switch, cranks some handles, and everyone holds on for dear life. I think the Doctor wins on that front.

And last I checked, no one in Starfleet as singlehandedly wiped out an entire alien race. The Doctor may as well have annihilated the Daleks the first time around (a few survived out of circumstance) and DID annihilate them the second time.

oops "corona of the sun", not "son"

what's the point of tv anyway when you could just have star trek

lol never seen any doctor who but i really grew up on TNG so

As a future society i really like the idea of the Star Trek Federation. Decentralized small communities joined by one global peace loving quasi military force bent on the acquiring wisdom and knowledge. Peaceful, multi racial , sexually liberated ,beyond greed and scarcity and engaged in a noble mission of protecting innocents and exploring the universe. It is the ultimate liberal left fantasy scifi.

i do have a problem with the fact that nearly all aliens they come across are humanoid and the only distinguishing mark between then is different foreheads. I also find the main alien races-romulans,vulcans,klingons to be incredibly shallow and one sided. romulans are ALL devious sneaks, Klingons are ALL noble savages and Vulcans are ALL cold logic obssessed elves.

"I hear Romulan ale is equal parts rum, Everclear and Blue Curaçao liqueur." (Invictus)

A recipe that must be tried... I just need to find the Everclear, the rest is to hand.

And I was seven when that first Dr Who episode went out on air (Dec 1963). Damn, probably the oldest in this thread.

"i do have a problem with the fact that nearly all aliens they come across are humanoid and the only distinguishing mark between then is different foreheads."

That's true, particularly with Voyager, but there are nonhumaniod aliens. Tholians come to mind, and the Horta. The aliens look just like people because it's cheaper to just put makeup on an actor's forehead than make a complicated costume or make a computer image.

As for the Romulan Ale, I'm trying it this weekend. I'm kinda scared, actually. That's a lot of booze.

sorry flash but i win the geri stakes....i too like the later doctor series....the plots and dialogue are great and the increasing sophistication from the old, is more rewarding

Back when Babylon 5 was out, I always remembered how to tell them apart: Trek aliens have weird foreheads, while Bab5 aliens have weird hair.

"Sir, I must protest: I am NOT a merry man!!"

sinned... I am so relieved: ha, spring chicken after all!

@flash, sinned - you guys have me beat by a wee bit. I was born the same year trek came on, 1966.

@Toby, don't forget those who had no hair, just strange romanesque bony things around the backs of their heads and bad complexions, until they somehow merged their DNA and kept the bony things but got hair and much better complexions. Delenne was scary, then Delenne was HOT! Her and Ivanova... Yummy!

space elves are always hot. ivanovia...urgh too masculine and too much makeup. deanna troi was quite striking but its a pity they the women in startrek wear those very unflattering tracksuit uniforms, urgh.

Oh... so the original question was in regards to an imagined battle between the two? First of all: not likely being that their both altruistic and good... second: any battle that either has is always won (barely and in a nick of time)... so, thusly, any battle could not be lost by either... so the battle would never end (since it could not end in a loss), third: the time travel advantage that the Doctor has is more than counter-balanced by Q... though Q may toy with Picard and the Enterprise, he's also saved them and would not let them truly come to harm.

Star Trek seems to get more airtime these days which i think is a vote in its favor

sorry col. but commercial popularity is no indicater of quality...and don't forget the baby boomer nostalgic factor...warps things....[to mangle a phrase]

but I think dex has it...honourable draw....between 2 dfferent concepts...we could judge it on script writing and acting ? but over many years even that has swung one way or the other

Dare I ask for your favourite episodes from each side?

For me, whilst there are many obvious choices, the single ST episode that moved me most was from DS9 of all series and was 'The Visitor'.

From the Dr? I have not seen the last twenty years but I do recall an episode with John Pertwee (or was it William Hartnell?) that seemed to go deeper than usual. It involved cactus-like beings that, when touched, released a poison that had no antidote and left the victim permanently paralysed yet fully conscious: the script had the Doctor moralising on this and it was way above the simple good versus evil extermination stuff. To a young kid anyway...

Oh and anything with 36 of 36 in it... ; )

You know, 7 of 9 would have been better as 6 of 9, then they could have shortened her name to just... wait for it... 69!

have to agree with ;speaker to aliens'....great handle!....the doctor episodes with billie piper and the' blink' series....the last one wirh sarah Jane...will she....won;t he.....we will never know who was the kids father.
TNG and ST were ok to but none stand out as much ....maybe I was more impressionable when younger ?

Q:
"I'm an IDEA man."
"I'm not good in groups. It's difficult to work in a group
when you're omnipotent."
"I add a little spice, a little excitement to your lives, and all
you do is complain!"
"Ah, the redoubtable Commander Riker...and Microbrain!
Growl for me...let me know you still care."
"Oh, very clever, Worf. Eat any good books lately?"

Guinan: "Just one of the boys, eh?"
Q: "'One of the boys' with an IQ of two-thousand and five."

My personal favorite: "You hit me! Picard never hit me!" too which Sisko replies "I'm not Picard." What a way to kick off a new series and indicate that DS9 was meant to be more TOS than TNG.

Oh my- I left for a little bit........

I'll take the "apples and oranges" argument someone stated above, that's how my Doctor Who friend and I see it.......

Oh, and my name- I was introduced to sci-fi with Star Wars when I was 6, and I love the original films and III (I and II are pretty bad) but all this new animated crap and books is just milking it and killing the magic, so I've sort of shunned Wars for a while, until it fixes itself.

On the other hand, my middle name is "James" because my dad was a Trekkie and of course loved JAMES T. Kirk. :)

So Star Wars is my childhood, like a good fairy tale, Trek is my show/movies to watch, what I like now first and foremost.

And I see the all-too-predictable Kirk v. Picard fight broke out- I'll start a thread for that........