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Randomizer (100 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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What can Happen on Over Booked Airline Flight
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/travel/passenger-removed-united-flight-trnd/index.html
Getting forcibly removed to make room. Another reason not to fly.
JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
the doctor didn't want to leave his patients
JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
poor man
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Apr 17 UTC
Not to fly in America at least.

But then i wasn't planning to...
captainmeme (849 D Mod)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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http://i.imgur.com/99dgkTs.gifv
Balrog (219 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
The flight wasn't even overbooked. The airline wanted to give those seats to its employees at last moment.
bo_sox48 (4243 D Mod (G))
11 Apr 17 UTC
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This is what happens when airline staff is numb to the everyday mistreatment of their customers and when police are trained in violence before self-restraint and aggression before reason.
Randomizer (100 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
It appears that United might have violated FAA policy to inform the passenger in writing about his legal rights all to save a few dollars.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/opinions/i-got-bumped-from-a-flight-then-i-sued-opinion-stone/index.html
slypups (1590 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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Reports say passengers were offered up to $1000 to give up a seat. I find that hard to believe that no one on the entire plane took up that offer if they advertised it properly. More likely it was $1000 in vouchers to fly on United, but still, if you fly with any frequency, that's as good as $1000. If you're looking at a four hour delay to get home on another flight, the airline is offering you $250/hour to sit in an airport and do whatever you want - that's pretty good pay.
I'm ok with airlines overbooking, but using physical force to make someone leave is ridiculous. If they properly provide incentives (ie $$$) and explain the delay involved for each passenger, I'm sure they would get volunteers without having to resort to this. Given that they overbook to make more money (since they have late cancellations), they should be willing to cough up whatever it takes when they miscalculate.
Randomizer (100 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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The flight wasn't legally overbooked. They wanted to cheaply get 4 employees to the destination as a last minute change. United could have used other means to get their employees there or at least explained it better.

Imagine a doctor telling patients in his waiting room that he was running late and they would have to come back in a few months when he had another available appointment. I'd like to see that happen to United employees especially Munoz that had a heart transplant last year.
Durga (710 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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This whole ordeal fills me with rage. Has the airline even issued an apology? Would this have happened if the man was a white doctor? This is so shameful on so many levels.
JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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@DO

they had the computer choose 4 random people to remove their seats, they didn't specifically go after the asian guy. given that the man was also a doctor who wanted to see patients, if it were a white man who wanted to see patients, i have little doubt these shitty airport employees wouldn't have reacted well to him demanding to stay either either.

the correct solution is to offer more and more money until someone says "sure" not to physically assault your paying customers who have boarded the plane.
Durga (710 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
I'm aware of how the process works. I don't think the use of physical force would be used against all members of society equally. Believe what you will, Yanik. Engaging with you has never been worth it.
As far as I'm aware, the airline hasn't issued an apology and the CEO doubled down. They should've just kept randomly picking someone until they got someone who agreed. The doctor was person #3 that they informed. The first couple left the plane.

The whole thing astounds me on so many levels. The lack of apology. The use of force. The poor judgement. ***And nobody taking the offer of like $1000 they gave***

Seriously, I'm pretty sure under DoT laws they have to give it in cash if you demand it. They just try for vouchers so they keep business.
slypups (1590 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm with JY. If you keep increasing the offer, eventually you will get actual volunteers who will give up their seats for the $s. If United wanted to make it even easier, it could say expressly that it is ok to resell the vouchers (it probably is already) on eBay or some secondary market. Now you're looking at hard cash (maybe 90% of voucher value) for what you give up. With all the financial stress we hear about people being under, hard to believe somebody won't pounce on this once the offer becomes high enough.
@DO - while on one hand, you're correct about unequal force and this *is* the Chicago PD we're talking about, I'm fairly sure any police called to an airplane to remove a passenger at the airline's request would use force if necessary. They might be more patient with a white guy and give him more time, but end result would be the same
JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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@DO

I think it's unfair to immediately assume that the amount of force they used was entirely because of race.

if you don't have any ACTUAL evidence for racism, accusing someone of racism is not a logical next step, besides relying off of generalizations.

People who go around claiming that everything is racist without a slightest shred of evidence besides the fact that one party was white, and one party wasn't... it's sickening. there is no more due process, no burden of proof, just vitriolic attacks on strangers you've never met.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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Everyone is fixated on the fact that the victim is a doctor. That's the least interesting fact about this incident.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Apr 17 UTC
@"More likely it was $1000 in vouchers to fly on United, but still, if you fly with any frequency, that's as good as $1000. If you're looking at a four hour delay to get home on another flight, the airline is offering you $250/hour to sit in an airport and do whatever you want - that's pretty good pay."

It was vouchers, yes. It usually doesn't get this far, because they don't let you board if they know they have over sold the flight (whoever is last to check-in may not be allowed to).

In this case, the next flight wasn't until 3pm the next day, (and the doctor had patients to see). The fact that other airlines could have given the staff a discount flight was overlooked, because the staff are just used to not serving their customers.

Apparently the market doesn't give you better service. You can bet this would be illegal in europe. (Though they still over-sell flights).
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Apr 17 UTC
From twitter:

Nate Bethea‏ @inthesedeserts
According to complaint site untied.com, United docked the pay of the pilots who died on 9/11 for "failure to complete flights"
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
Simple solution, don't fly United.
Randomizer (100 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-11/united-airlines-tumbles-as-social-media-storm-spreads-worldwide

Doctor was hospitalized for his injuries and already has lawyers. United is on it's third apology.
jason4747 (119 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
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Twitter:

Caribbean Sun‏ @CaribbeanSun11
#NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
Join our new Seat'n'Beat frequent flyer program!


David Murphy‏ @DavidW3344
#NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
Just imagine how we treat your luggage


Next time my kids refuse to get out of bed, I'm calling United Airlines
Randomizer (100 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nationalpost/status/851527884913213443/photo/1

How Trump thinks United could be the solution.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
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Haha, I saw a meme that said "Southwest Airlines - We beat the competition, not you"
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
@Manwe

only the free market could produce memes this strong
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
Best meme I've seen:

United Airlines: One free carry off.
Randomizer (100 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
United CEO does damage control on ABC's GMA Wednesday morning. How many times will they show the video during that interview?
CAPT Brad (2580 D (B))
12 Apr 17 UTC
And next time when you are told to check your bag and not carry it on you will listen!
Randomizer (100 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/04/12/united-airlines-passenger-new-angle-video.hln/video/playlists/stories-worth-watching/
Video taken moments before doctor was taken show he wasn't "belligerent" like United claims. Cell phone videos of the incident are going to make United case worse.
Randomizer (100 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/travel/united-passenger-pulled-off-flight-lawsuit-family-attorney-speak/index.html
Lose your teeth and get a concussion when trying to fly United. Talk about hidden fees.
Randomizer (100 D)
22 Apr 17 UTC
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/22/us/american-airlines-video-confrontation-trnd/index.html
American Airlines is investigating one of its flight attendants hitting a mother holding a baby and almost also hitting the baby.

I'm guessing the only safe passenger is the federal marshal because he has a gun and the right to use it.
DammmmDaniel (104 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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@DO are you saying the process wasn't randomized? Jesus does everything develop into a racial issue for you? It was fucking randomized!!!!! Why don't you check the ethnicity of the other three passengers forced to leave as well!?? The problem to adress here isn't the man's race but rather the way the airlines went around dealing with an overbooking issue. The problem has nothing to do with race! Also intersting to note that apparently the doctor was trading drugs for sex illegally and wasn't a great person. Helped me feel a little less worse for him!
DammmmDaniel (104 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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He had 98 Felony drug accounts! Not trying to say the problem is any better... Just nice to see some just Karma being distributed http://www.cscmediagroupus.com/robert-zerfing/doctor-united-airlines-legal-history
Durga (710 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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Wtf, sure it was randomized I'm not questioning that. I'm questioning if the force that was used here would have been used if the man was a white doctor. Look at dammdaniel claiming the moral high ground and then shaming the man for what I'm pretty sure has already been disproved as false news (but even if it wasn't it should have 0 impact on what happened). Disgusting
CAPT Brad (2580 D (B))
23 Apr 17 UTC
Federal marshals are not safe. One just left her gun in the restroom for a passenger to find. Luckily the passenger gave it to the flight crew.
Randomizer (100 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
I'm sure United ran the doctor's police record in deciding who to remove.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
23 Apr 17 UTC
Yeah, his career, race, or drug history shouldn't affect how we judge the violence used against him by the state.

Even if the airline was technically within it's rights, because all customers agreed to fine print, doesn't mean the fine print can't leave them being assholes.
DammmmDaniel (104 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
As I said, his past crimes have zero impact on how the crime should be treated. What United Airlines did was horrible and terrible. The force involved shouldn't have been. I am simply saying that the force that was applied was not acceptable. I am just saying like Karma dude....
CAPT Brad (2580 D (B))
23 Apr 17 UTC
We should just go back to third class steerage. We can lock them in the baggage compartment and put the freeloading staff in first class
Randomizer (100 D)
27 Apr 17 UTC
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-27/united-passenger-dragged-off-plane-settles-with-airlines
United settles with doctor dragged off their plane. Now they need to do the same with the owner of the dead giant rabbit.


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jmo1121109 (2482 D Mod)
26 Apr 17 UTC
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Last visited: 13 Mar 2017
Doesn't someone have to eat a shoe now?
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420thReich (100 D)
27 Apr 17 UTC
User Meta Gaming
The user "Twitchell" and "Communists Unite" are the same person. He created "Communists Unite" to take control of someone that left our game. Please ban for meta-gaming.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
27 Apr 17 UTC
Why didn't Obama prosecute Michael Flynn?
If what Michael Flynn did was wrong, then why didn't Obama prosecute him for it?
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brainbomb (245 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
Catholic School horror stories
When I was in 4th grade I puked on the girl next to me in church during an all school mass. It was on her coat and in her hair. I think thats why she hated me moving forward. Pretty sure her name was amamda er something. Share your nightmares of similair nature.
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jmo1121109 (2482 D Mod)
26 Apr 17 UTC
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Rules Question
"Furthermore, it is against the rules to make cheating accusations on the forum, even in cases where the user in question has been confirmed to own multiple accounts. The most frequent reason users create additional accounts is that they forgot the password to their original account."

Question inside
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The Ambassador (149 D)
27 Apr 17 UTC
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Latest podcast including webDip live games...
Hi folks, episode 16 of the Diplomacy Games podcast is now live. We talk metagaming arseholes, the live Dip game experience at webDip & the Colonial variant over at VDip.

And of course there's drinking... a lot of it. Listen at DiplomacyGames.com, iTunes or Stitcher.
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VashtaNeurotic (639 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
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Greatest Movie Tournament
It's been a while since we've done one of these. Details Below.
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DammmmDaniel (104 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
Boy Scouts
I am having problems acquiring my Eagle Scout
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goldfinger0303 (1969 D Mod)
14 Apr 17 UTC
GvI 1v1 Strategy
A thread to talk about strategy and openings for GvI. Particularly from an Italian perspective.
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brainbomb (245 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
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Girl Scouts
I am having problems selling all my cookies this year.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
28 pieces of legislation signed by Trump into law
Here's the list:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation
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Jamiet99uk (100 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
UK General Election, 2017
Well here's a bit of news. There will be a General Election in the UK on 8th June.
65 replies
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user1981 (436 D)
26 Apr 17 UTC
How to bet 0 not taking over CD
You make two accounts, after one is banned, you ask the moderator to still play in the game with the second, so in effect taking over cd from yourself, it is allowed to do it on this site - example as a france http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=196322
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
Clean wood energy
All this talk about clean coal. Why bother digging up energy when we have so much wood ABOVE ground! As a bonus, we get more farmland. Let's retrain coal miners to be lumberjacks!
50 replies
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
25 Apr 17 UTC
Where is the Coke ad where...
I want to see a Coke ad where a Kendall Jenner look-a-like tries to stop a riot by presenting a can of Pepsi. After a dramatic pause in the melee, both sides ask her, "You got Coke?" [Then they resume fighting].
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captainmeme (849 D Mod)
20 Apr 17 UTC
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WebDiplomacy Survivor
Roll up, roll up! I got permission to run this game on the site, and since there’s a reasonable time until the next mafia game so this would be the time to do it.
135 replies
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DRFrazier99 (55 D)
25 Apr 17 UTC
New Game
how do I join a new game?
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Smokey Gem (160 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
Basic D& D where to get moduals and or Immortals set..
Does anyone have any sets they want to off load ?/
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David Ridley (100 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
Allocation of countries
How does the server decide which country you get?
4 replies
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DammmmDaniel (104 D)
24 Apr 17 UTC
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3 Months into Calculus
Things are getting pretty serious. We have all-nighters together, we watch Khan Academy videos together and it even joined my subject study group. I think this one is a hard one. Its thermos are alright too.
Hey BB suck on this
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Handschar (31 D X)
21 Apr 17 UTC
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Reenactors
Are there any other reenactors here? I do both American Civil War and WWII Reenacting and would like to know if there are any others out there like me.
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markradar29 (407 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
1901 Country Assignments
Does anybody else constantly get assigned the same country or countries? I've entered into maybe 15 games and every time but one, have been assigned either England, Germany, or Russia.

(Note: this is not a complaint--I'll never bemoan a free game of Diplomacy!!! Just curious :-)
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swordsman3003 (9214 D Mod (G))
24 Apr 17 UTC
Game Start Date - any way to know?
I know you can see the date a game finished, but is there a way to look and see when it started? I am curious to see how long a game took to finish in real time.

I looked for this for a while, so I'm the dunce if someone immediately points this out...
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bo_sox48 (4243 D Mod (G))
22 Apr 17 UTC
I'm drunk
How is your night going, webdip
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peterwiggin (14920 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm sober
How is your day going, webdip
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
21 Apr 17 UTC
I also have an oven story
Accidentally hit Clean a few days ago. Cancelled it because there were things in the oven. Haven't been able to open it since. Have had it unplugged for 24 hours, hoping the electromagnet that allegedly locks it loses strength soon. Will update as warranted.
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peterwiggin (14920 D (S))
22 Apr 17 UTC
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Mod team announcement
Please welcome Socrates dissatisfied to the mod team.
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brainbomb (245 D)
23 Apr 17 UTC
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3 months into a relationship
Things are getting pretty serious. We have barbeques together, we watch game of thrones and she even joined my dungeouns and dragons group. I think this ones a keeper. Her kids are alright too.
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dargorygel (267 D Mod (G))
23 Apr 17 UTC
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I think I left my Reactor Oven on overnight, and Now want to be a Better Baker.
What should I do?
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