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Finished: 05 AM Sat 29 Aug 15 UTC
CheapOooobyAmerakinsFast
12 hours /phase
Pot: 60 D - Spring, 2019, Finished
Fall of the American Empire IV, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
22 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2016: Those two seems to be in conflict with each other. But wait - a 5-way is still possible, then Heartland also get's some.
23 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2016: What conflicts?
23 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2016: That you "just want to finish the game" and "don't want a four-way".
23 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: ??? It doesn't have to conflict.
23 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: Come on be rational. If you need to annihilate at min. a 8 SC player out of an strong alliance to get your 3-way draw it is not compatible with a quick finish.
23 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: That's the point. If Texas would break off of your alliance and join me, the 3way would come in only a few years.
23 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: And again you are being irrational..
23 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: - and of course all dip-players know if any one of us breaks our alliance you will solo it so hard so fast that the rest of us won't even get to notice what happened to us.
23 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: Everyone's so mean ;)
23 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: Nah, you're just spreading some propaganda. So far, it hasn't worked.
24 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2016: Whatever, you know my stance.
25 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2017: Stance of doom.
25 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2017: Stance of glory!
25 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2017: Nah.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Alright, I will four-way draw.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Then will one of you please stop messing about like the proverbial cat with a mouse and kill Heartland???!!!!
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Obviously. That's what I was suggesting.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: I love the writings BC.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Might not happen this turn. I offered to support Texas in, but he hasn't responded.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Withholding the support until Texas responds.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: 4 way draw isn't that different from a 5 way draw, right guys..? :)
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: I don't know the history of this game, so I don't know whether Heartland deserves a draw. If the reason he isn't standing better is NMR's and CD's by other players, I won't mind him in a draw.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Eh, the real reason I'm not standing better is because Quebec stabbed me before I had an opportunity to stab him. No other reason really.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: OK. Apalachee Bay is moving to Tampa with support from...
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Crab. I can't distinguished Heartland from Texas.
26 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2017: Sorry, I didn't check the game between when Texas said that and when the phase ended. Let's make sure we all ready up early, and we'll end this autumn.
26 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Supporting Apalachee to Tampa.
26 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Fine
26 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Darn
26 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Sorry, the solo was impossible.
26 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: The difference between 12 and 15 coins isn't that big though right guys? Right? Haha
26 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Right but I'm a diplomatic sadist. I want you to feel pain as you lose your final supply center. *laughs maniacally*
27 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: So much for Glory.
27 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Hey, I've got to hand it to you guys, you really stalemated me at the brink of victory.
27 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Now, that's more like it. Not mending the attempt on the solo either. But keeping up the charade that long was a bit annoying.
27 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Minding - sorry, it's way past bedtime. Night to you all.
27 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: It felt very possible at times. Anyway, it was a good game, and it was a wonderful experience to play with all of you but Florida.
27 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Yes, good game all
27 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 2018: Why Florida?
27 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2018: He's a major ass.
27 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2018: Come build phase, can we all ready up quickly?
27 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2018: Ehh, okay, from old Peru writings with him he seemed okay. He clearly spotted you and Heartlands attack on him.
27 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2018: He brought it on himself by being an ass. He actually accused me of trying to attack him long before I was going to, (I needed troops for Cuba) argued with me for awhile, insulted my intelligence and made personal attacks on multiple occasions, and so I had to attack him.
27 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2018: Well. The only thing I could read from your global chat from before I joined was that he responded to Cuba's act of childishness.

Oh, yeah, and he's farewell to this game which didn't seem sore or aggressive.
27 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 2018: During his argument with Cuba, I believe both sides were wholly in the wrong to argue like they did. Cuba's initial comment was innocent though, and shouldn't have sparked the response it did.
28 Aug 15 UTC If you could read the texts between old Peru and Florida I think that, that would justify the response. He clearly whined in his diplomacy between these two players - and he clearly did in global as well.

And innocent. We clearly have different opinions about what global press is fore and therefore what justifies and what doesn't justifies the responses he got. IMO he got what he sowed. All he did was whining, and that is all that Florida points out. Can't see how Florida is in the wrong there.

Old Peru wrote to him in spring 99 - Cuba first responded in Spring 2002.
That, his posts and the fact that he NMR (as you actually pointed out as the first to respond to his global writings) - I think all responses to Cuba are justified in private text's or the lack there of.

But Cubas responses in global are not - at least not in the messages in Old Perus inbox. The whole thing might have originated in private between Cuba and Florida and there might be text there justifying Cuba's anger. But it would never justify how he took it into global press. And clearly you thought so too.

And in my opinion anyone spamming global chat after he is defeated is doing something wrong. When your defeated you should wait to after the game to comment.

If there is something else nagging you about Florida I can might understand your resentment to him. But you ought to include Cuba in your list of players who wasn't "a wonderful experience to play with".

I know I would have if I had been with you all from the start.
28 Aug 15 UTC Thanks for the game.
Especially thanks to Texas and Peru for fighting back to prevent the solo.
28 Aug 15 UTC Likewise Peru. Was a good working environment between us - thanks for let the wrongly put in moves pass.
28 Aug 15 UTC I like you guys.
28 Aug 15 UTC GG

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Quebec
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 15 D
20 supply-centers, 20 units
Texas
Ricgraz (100 D (B))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 15 D
19 supply-centers, 18 units
Peru
Middelfart (1196 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 15 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
British-Columbia
Kremmen (3817 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 15 D
8 supply-centers, 6 units
California
cash (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Florida
Eadan (454 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Heartland
A-Mac (414 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Mexico
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
New-York
BoredGamer (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Cuba
Check_mate (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
hofmeister929 (100 D)Peru (Autumn, 2012) with 9 centres.
Doctor Impossible (189 D)British-Columbia (Spring, 2010) with 10 centres.
cash (100 D)California (Autumn, 2002) with 0 centres.
FerociousDuck37 (100 D)Mexico (Autumn, 2001) with 5 centres.
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