Can't Russia win in 1903?

Actually, I think all of them can win in 1903. You just need cooperation from other countries.

Could try it in games to see

Sorry, I meant that I'm pretty sure that Russia has won in 1904. I think I saw a game link to that once.

Thats insane, do you have a link to the game?

No, I don't. I just remember fastest win being a topic about a year ago, and as I recall someone had a 1904 win as Russia. I'll try to google for it.

You can win in 3 turns when all 6 other countries CD's

This is a fun puzzle, I am not sure all countries actually can win in 1903.

They would need more than CDs, they would need active cooperation. Especially England.

Well, yes, but I'm pretty sure that it would be possible from a theoretical standpoint.

To shift from theory to reality, I'm always (a bit too) happy to relive my 1905 solo as Austria:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13701

Can eng win in 1903? It can only get 2 scs in 1901 double up to 10 total in 1902 but can only build 3 giving 8 active units all of which must take an sc in 1903 to win. Can the build in Liverpool reach anywhere that hasn't already been taken and even if it could it needs a convoy which will mean a fleet can't also take a SC.

I'm going out on a limb and going to saying an eng win in 1903 is impossible

Theoretically, with a French convoy, England could get +3 in 1901. But since Eng cannot use armies AND fleets to go for SCs: no, it's impossible.

Of course with a french convoy to bel eng gets, bel, hol and nor turn 1
St P, mun, ber, bre and port with french convoy turn 2
tun, mars, spain, swe, war, kiel, par year 3 for a 19 SC win
Improbable - but possible
If Eng can do it i'm sure the others can

The puzzle now is what is the maximum SC count for a country (russia) by year 3

I recon russia could get 28 SCs by year 03

I don't think, even with a completely friendly board, that would be possible, Maniac. I don't think his units could reach that far that quickly. That's everything excpet France and Iberia.

I'm going to attempt that in Realpolitik, brb

*jDip.

I got to 24 SCs in 1903. Not sure if my route was optimal or not. Russia starts with 4 SCs, and going to 8 is easy. That leaves you 8 units; I went to 14 SCs but only had 12 units with which to work. Those 12 netted me 10 more for a total of 24 in 1903. I ended up taking Edinburgh, Germany, Scandinavia, Russia, Austria-Hungary, the Balkans, Turkey, and Italy; the Lowlands, France, Iberia, Tunisia, Liverpool and London were left standing.

Draugnar's correct. Russia hypothetically could field enough units to net 28 SCs by 1903, but it can't field them in the right places. You need too many armies in the East to make it to Italy by 1903 without missing any of them; subsequently you can secure Germany but can't get beyond that.

I found a way to win a Diplomacy game in two years, but the proof is too large to write in the margin of this page.

To reach 18 centers in two years is not mathematically possible, even for Russia, so either you're thinking of some other way to win or you're mistaken.

he's kidding, Jesus, I believe

Maybe we have to wait for 358 years to see the proof!

Russia28 win in 1903 is possible

Here goes showing track of each unit and CAPTURED SCs

ST P - fin-SWE; Swe-den-KIEL; Kiel-ruh-BEL
2nd st p fleet - bar-NOR; Nor-Norg-EDI
3rd st p army - Nor-LON (Via eng convoy)

MOS-ukr-RUM; rum-ser-TRI; tri-ven-ROM
2nd Mos army to liv-BER (via ger convoy); Ber-kiel-HOL
3rd Mos army -liv - DEN (via ger convoy)

SEV-bs-ANK; ank-con-SMY; smy-aeg-GRE
2nd Sev army-rum-BUL; bul-SEB (hold)
3rd Sev fleet - bs-CON

WAR-sil-MUN; mun-bur-PAR, par-gas-SPA
2nd war army-gal-VIE; vie-tyr-VEN
3rd war army-gal-BUD


28 SCs in all by Fall 1903

*ST P - fin-SWE; Swe-den-KIEL; Kiel-hol-BEL

I think I can get whole board PURPLE by 1903 with exception to 6 neutral countries - result will appear here if I can confirm it

Can't turn the board purple, oh well

gameID=8040

Here's Russia in '05 where everyone else CD'd.

And you just had to take advantage, bad trip :)

Readhouse1939+1 for the reference to Fermat's Last Theorem.

P.S. I tried to click the +1 icon to do this, but it just jumps you to the top of the page. Presumably this is something to do with the earlier WebDip outage.

I used the search features for games and the only game won in Spring 1901 is gameID=11473. There must have been some impressive gameplay.

Wrong thread: phone browser.

Never mind: this is the right thread.

Ok, upgraded to FF(16.0.2) and can now PlusOne postings. Don't know why FF(15.0.1) wouldn't do it.

Weird

Anyway, there have only been 9 games on phpDiplomacy/webDiplomacy won in Fall 1903 with at least 18 SC's:
gameID=4194
gameID=6683
gameID=9167
gameID=9567
gameID=10328
gameID=12524
gameID=12528
gameID=86917
gameID=89551

Does anything look at all legitimate?

3 massive blowouts with players not moving
1 massive blow out with a shitload of resigns and one guy trying to get what he can before it ends
And the rest have damn near everyone banned in them.

Yeah, not much legit in *any* of those.

At least rratclif tried to make it look good on his way to a multi-win.

Well, I think gameID=89551 may be the only real one.

gameID=4194, gameID=86917 and gameID=9567 look like fakes.
See in particular:
England's move here: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=86917&largemap=on&turn=4
And Turkish moves in this game, particularly here: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=9567&largemap=on&turn=2

I'm not sure what to make of gameID=9167 and gameID=10328.

gameID=6683, gameID=12524 and gameID=12528 aren't even worth comment.

Alderian: Yeah, well German moves certainly do look suspicious in the last phase:
http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=9167&largemap=on&turn=5

http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=9167&largemap=on&turn=5

they all got banned

Out of interest what does "Banned by a moderator: Auto" mean?

The user was an automobile, which is clearly banned by the rules.

1) What's an automobile

2) Every game that has a pre-1905 win includes multiple CD's. There is not one legitimate game that fields a legitimate pre-1905 win where 1 competent player beat 6 different competent players.

I myself won this Ancient Med game in Autumn of 6, but that was with the help of 2 CD's, an over conciliatory player and an aggressive player who was out of reach to attack.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97732#gamePanel

So, I conclude that pre-1905 wins with no CD's or illegitimate machinations are impossible.

Wrong. The user supported autocracy, which is clearly defined as grounds for a ban by the rules.

Oh, that's what it is...