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KaptinKool (408 D)
01 Mar 10 UTC
LIVE GUNBOAT EVERYONE (different)
Ancient Med, only 4 players needed.
gameID=22843
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Puddle (413 D)
01 Mar 10 UTC
Anyone?
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KaptinKool (408 D)
01 Mar 10 UTC
LIVE GUNBOAT EVERYONE
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Antracia (3494 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
How To Resign?
I've seen some players resign from games, and have been wondering how to do it. I can't seem to find anything in the Help or on the game page itself. This probably sounds like a silly question, but can anyone shed any light on it for me?

Much appreciated.
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
27 Feb 10 UTC
As per study, atheists are smarter
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=C2
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TuriGuiliano (196 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
The Bible isn't open for interpretation like that and I appreciate that you aren't an orthodox Christian but that assumes that knowledge is the only aspect of evolution when the physical prowess of an animal is another aspect and it is important to remember that Adam lost his superhuman strength in the Fall not to mention our ability to talk to animals which would be ever so helpful no? haha
KaptinKool (408 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@TuriGuiliano - was that for me? Because I would say my theology is fairly conventional, I am a Lutheran/Evangelical with a traditional reading of the Bible.
TuriGuiliano (196 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@Kaptin My first page 3 post was for Octavious. But I have to say that you're my favorite kind of Christian because you don't say, "Oh, they didn't mean it like that."
Octavious (2701 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@Turi I would say that one of the things to happen to humans as we evolved was a reduction in our strengh. The Bible is indeed open to any interpretation would would like. The Bible is the word of God and the reader's thoughts will be guided by the will of God as he journeys through the Bible. (I do not believe in God, but I know what I would believe if I did, and I hold those potential beliefs very strongly... I have no idea why I do this)
TuriGuiliano (196 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
And also @Kaptin I'm glad we're making the same point because I really don't think that intelligence has much to do with religion, Newton was a Christian who calculated the Battle of Armageddon to take place in 2060 (stock up on munitions :p)
KaptinKool (408 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
lol - Newton had his oddities! He's just an everyday Nostradamus.
TuriGuiliano (196 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@ Oct but then why would God have allowed them to write that daughters may be sold as sex slaves for example. It's because the Old Testament was written by 6th century Conservatives, not the social ones in the U.S. but the real ones. And the New accepted the teachings of the Old: hate gays, be a tribe, sell daughters, no people with bad vision may approach the alter.
Octavious (2701 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@Turi Well, to that I would hazzard a guess that God would , through His almighty mightiness, let the reader know that on balance sex slaves are a bad thing. As not a huge number of Christians currently keep sex slaves I would say this is quite effective. As I have said before, i believe none of this. But I don't see the Bible as being fundamentally flawed.
TuriGuiliano (196 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@Kaptin Milton was beyond intelligent and he knew it. Same with John Donne and Shakespeare. And as time went on, Atheists came out of the wood work and proved to be of exceptional intelligence: Ambrose Bierce, Nietzsche, all the Shelleys.
KaptinKool (408 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@TuriGuiliano - did you mean Newton? I know he was intelligent, I would argue he was the single most skilled scientist in the history of man kind (because he had such a huge impact on such a broad array of studies).
TuriGuiliano (196 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Milton as in John Milton who wrote Paradise Lost.
KaptinKool (408 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
I see.
Acosmist (0 DX)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Satoshi Kanazawa: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/09/iq-and-wealth-of-states.html

All things being equal, I'd like to see his data, as he's gotten things hilariously wrong before. See above :laugh:
Did anyone else find this completely non-sensical?

"I do not believe in God, but I know what I would believe if I did, and I hold those potential beliefs very strongly..."
Acosmist (0 DX)
28 Feb 10 UTC
That is completely nonsensical, yes.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
28 Feb 10 UTC
there is a reason to live, octavious, it's sad to hear you say that there isn't.

the reason to live is twofold. as aristotle said, it is to live well. that is, it is to perform our function as humans well. what is our function? it is what distinguishes us from other things, just as a knife's function is to cut, what is man's function? to think. man's function is to be a rational creature. therefore to live well is to be, if you will, good at being rational.

so we are rational. okay. that means we can think and plan long-term futures for ourselves, and ask abstract questions: here's an abstract question: maybe my function is to think, but what is the meaning of life?

the meaning of life is to find meaning in life. simple as that.
Acosmist (0 DX)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Aristotle...hey did anyone ever write a 3000-page treatise applying Aristotle to Catholicism?
I love the irony of Kanazawa's proposed title for his next book in relationship to this conversation.



Escaping Biology: Why Intelligent People Are the Ultimate Losers in Life (tentative title). 2011

http://personal.lse.ac.uk/Kanazawa/


Hopefully nobody thinks I'm calling them a loser, but this being the internet, there is always that possibility. I mean no offense I just thought I just thought it was funny.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
28 Feb 10 UTC
you mean people are the losers period.
Hey just trying to introduce a little levity. Not calling anybody names. The entire thread seemed a little nonsensical. Thucydides quoted the exact thing I would have about not stereotyping. You of all people know that I'll argue a point ad nauseum, but hopefully never let the attack sway from your ideas to you.
dexter morgan (225 D(S))
28 Feb 10 UTC
As to the original question, I guess I'll chime in:

1) IQ is a pretty weak and narrow measure... it is culturally biased, measures knowledge as much or more than it does thinking ability, etc. ...I remember a recent study that suggested that IQs in the last 50 years in the US have gone up something like 10% for African Americans and something like 5% for Caucasians... which only really tells you that our education system might be improving... and that (unsurprisingly, thanks to the civil rights movement) it has improved more for African Americans... it might also say something about childhood nutrition or income disparities or something else... who knows (too many variables). The point is that I think we can safely believe that the raw intelligence of humans has not gone up by 5% to 10% in 50 years... there are other factors showing themselves in these tests... and thus, IQ tests are demonstrably flawed.

2) Association is not by itself demonstrate causation. It is far more likely that both atheism and IQ are associated with some thing(s) which has a hand in causing both directly, or more likely, indirectly... something unidentified.

3) Questions about the relative rationality of atheists vs. theists seems rather silly... remember maxim that: "The more you learn, the less you know." ...meaning the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know. It takes a certain amount of learning to realize how ignorant you are (how ignorant we all are). This can apply to atheists and theists alike. Both have rationality of a kind... and perhaps, given time, naturally lead to an appreciation that the world does not fit neatly into a little box we have set aside for it in our head. On the other hand, I see Young Earth Creationists, for example, as deeply flawed in their rationality (or knowledge or both)... but grouping them with the theists who allow for science and physical laws and such simply isn't fair. Clearly there are very rational people in both the theist and atheist camps. Perhaps it is comparable to the lack of correlation between marital fidelity and effectiveness as a president... Just because one is effective/clear-thinking in one arena may do nothing to help in the other arena. I view theists as having a blind spot of sorts... I imagine they view me quite similarly... but it doesn't reflect on my view of them overall. Everyone has blind spots and weaknesses. I'd like to think that I have a better idea of the nature of the universe than they do... but perhaps I'm just another blind man proclaiming the nature of the elephant (see parable of the six blind men and the elephant). ...that said, I'm not ready to throw my hands up and become a full-on agnostic.

4) When I first saw the heading to this thread, I winced... figuring that it would turn and stay bad... with people saying all kinds of extreme things... People didn't over-react. Dare I say, people here reacted rationally - whether atheist or theist.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Crazy, I wasn't pointing out any specific people, I just think that all people are mentally weak. Animals, however, they are clever.
spyman (424 D(G))
28 Feb 10 UTC
DJ:"Did anyone else find this completely non-sensical?

"I do not believe in God, but I know what I would believe if I did, and I hold those potential beliefs very strongly..."

That's actually a funny statement...
Octavious (2701 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
@Spyman It is a funny statement, but no less true because of it. There are many things in this universe I cannot explain, how my mind works and taxation law being chief amound them. I can give a small explanation to how the statement came into being. I did at an early stage in my life give a lot of thought to religion, and had hammered out a workable form of belief system that could stand up to any test and was vaguely similar to some of the noncomformist traditions. I was quite disappointed, therefore, to discover that I didn't believe a word of it. Still, if I ever do have a road to Damascus moment, or near death experience, or some other trigger that activates the belief part of my brain I have no doubt whatsoever that it is exactly that belief system that I would fall into.
Octavious, I call Bullshit. If you suddenly find yourself with faith, if it matched your previous rationalization of what a logical faith would consist of, that would be purely coincidence.

That's even worse than saying 'if i ever win the lottery, i'm going to donate it all to charity.' Easy to say when you don't have the money.


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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
27 Feb 10 UTC
tostabornottostab
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22163

286 point buy-in, 2002 point pot, anonymous, 36 hour phases
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
28 Feb 10 UTC
Song Title Transations - Add the next one
1) Standing On The Moon - Grateful Dead
2) Walking On The Moon - The Police
3) Walking On Sunshine - Katrina and the Waves
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curtis (8870 D)
01 Mar 10 UTC
live game in 10 min,,,
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22828
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curtis (8870 D)
01 Mar 10 UTC
gunboat in 10 min
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22827
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guy~~ (3779 D(B))
28 Feb 10 UTC
Canada Vs US Take 2
Sorry Americans, you guys are going to get your asses kicked this time. ;)
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Cyrano (354 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Draw in WTA
How does a draw in a WTA game work? Just the same as in any other, or is there a difference?
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g01df1ng3r (2821 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
conquest without alliance
Has anyone seen a game where the winner never had received a support-move from another player during the game?
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bencarthy (100 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Olympic Ancient Med Gunboat (WTA) - 20 minutes
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22783
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curtis (8870 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
gunboat live in 15 minutes. Come join!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22780
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Gun Boat Live - The Ancient Mediterranean
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22772
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Gun Boat Live - The Ancient Mediterranean
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22770
starts in about 18min
4 spots empty
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Jimbozig (0 DX)
28 Feb 10 UTC
One More!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22764
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azzaron (1765 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
New Live Game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22764
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curtis (8870 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
gunboat starts in 9 minutes
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22758
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ava2790 (232 D(S))
27 Feb 10 UTC
Crowded Variant Gunboat
Need 2 more for crowded variant gunboat game on Goondip
http://goondip.com/board.php?gameID=385
(Copy entire link)
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cujo8400 (300 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Live Game!
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ottovanbis (150 DX)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Live Gunboat Anyone
Anybody interested in a live, wta, gunboat?
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idealist (680 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
live gunboat - 1 more spot!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22746
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idealist (680 D)
27 Feb 10 UTC
Anyone interested in a winner takes all classic game?
please add your name to the list, include the chips you are willing to bet and the time of each phase.

idealist (101-200. 1-12hrs - 2day)
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idealist (680 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Live Gunboat remake (continuing from ottovanbis's post)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22746
i set the game to global message so we can facilitate non-game communication - rather than spamming the forum
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idealist (680 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
classic WTA 100 buy in.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22745
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degunnbote (130 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Live Med Game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22741
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klokskap (550 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
New Live Ancient Med
gameID=22736

starts in 15 min, 10:30 EST
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roswellis (100 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
Gunboat Ancient Med Live
NOW NOW NOW http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22735
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KaptinKool (408 D)
28 Feb 10 UTC
To Everyone in Gunboat BC
Good game!
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