(See http://phpdiplomacy.net/datc.php for any other adjudicator issues)

Actually, the Avalon Hill rules, a.k.a. the Diplomacy Bible, agree with Stagger.

http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy_rulebook.pdf

The rule is "If a country in civil disorder has to remove units, the units farthest from the country are removed first. If units are equally distant, then remove Fleets before Armies and then in alphabetical order by the provinces in which they’re located."

The problem is "distance" isn't defined. Does this means distance in terms of the number of spaces the unit has to move, or distance in terms of board pieces, do convoys count, etc. Also does "country" mean any province which is the same color as the country being started from?

Previous rulebooks say it's distance from supply center, and give methods for calculating distance, so the most recent rule is more vague than the previous rules. So I'm going to go with the DATC's preference which takes both rules into account and is very specific.

I think that the assumption is that distance is defined by the number of territories (land and/or water) separating the closest original border territory of the great power and the unit. The unit's ability to travel over these spaces in terms of the rules of play does not apply here. It is simply a count of the spaces. I feel that this is the interpretation that was intended. If a more complex interpretation was intended, then I think that this would have been specified in the original rules.

My two cents.

Thanks for your time with this, kestasjk!
Thanks, mapleleaf - obviously, our interpretations are the same.

datc page prefers that distance mean distance from any home center, but i disagree.

with that rule, in http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3585 france would keep gas and lose tus and tyn, just b/c gas is closer to centers he now doesn't own. silly!

Take it up with Kruijswijk :-P I'm going to refer people to the DATC for the reasoning behind adjudicator decisions, I figure these people are the ones who debate in newsgroups and have come up with a decision that'll be okay with the most people

ok i did

Just don't go CD: problem solved!

exactly, you can't really complain that the wrong unit got disbanded when you aren't around to do the complaining...

But if the CD disbands units in a way that weakens itself, that will help the player(s) that border it, and as a result weaken the players furthest from it.

I want to make a remark as maker of the DATC.

'country' does not mean your current supply centers.

Country means the areas on the map with your color. For Germany that is kiel, ruhr, munich, berlin, prussia and silesia.

This is a terrible rule, because none of the current adjudicators have any notion of 'country' (the map data doesn't contain it).

Variants may not have put the country colors on the map.

It also may differ per version. Some argue that Albania should belong to Austria as country.

Using country over home supply centes is just adding lots of unnecessary complexity to the adjuticators with virtually no change.

Using current supply centers would make sense, but none of the rules have been that way.

Regards,

Lucas Kruijswijk

Thanks for clarifying that