Why have two accounts wawlam? what is the advantage?

I created my second account Google whenI want to play a 100bet game when my first account wawlam59 does not have that much point.

I'd be ok to see Goole deleted if necessary, hoping after Google finished his first game. ;)

I have two accounts for a different reason.

My first game, as "masys," had an ante of 100. The game was deleted because most of the other players were a multi-account. Player "masys" still exists. It's only game was deleted and coins available set to 0.

I have no idea what the password is, but my laptop remembers.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/profile.php?uid=4384

I think I complained once and then registered under a new name.

Honestly, if the two accounts don't play in the same game, what does it matter? Yeah, 2 (or more) accounts in the same game would be lame, but there is no stopping that (currently) so I don't see why everyone must keep whining. Figlesquidge, "all those found guilty shall be totally responsible" <---I'm glad you have a resolute answer to cheating...Be responsible? Give me a break xD

One and only one account. It is a condition of joining.

You should earn the right to play higher stakes games and value those points accordingly. If you don't have to worry about where the points are coming from it changes the way you play.

This parallels the face to face version where the person who gets knocked out early has to spend the next 5 or 6 hours watching everyone else have fun. There is no second or third game to join. Indeed, no second chance whatsoever.

I think the idea of an amnesty is a good one.

Also one of the ideas of the point system was to stop newbies signing up to loads of games, many of which they ended up dropping out of to the inconvenience of other players. Before the point system there was a "maximum number of active games" limit for the same reason.

It is cheating the system if you create more accounts as a way of getting yourself into more games. You could create dozens of accounts and play a 100-point game in all of them, in the hope that in one of them you will do well enough to get your points up to a level where you can play in games you don't yet deserve to be in.

I agree with Noodlebug again.

I know that I once considered creating another account, but notifying Kestas of it first. I was once tired of playing as Chrispminis and the reputation that I had earned for myself, and hoped to play some new games without the "metagaming" aspect that I so despise.

I know that Rait also considered this once, although I don't know whether he went through with it.

I have since decided to just live with my one account, though I have no major moral quandary with a second account made to escape the metagaming aspects of a first account, as long as they do not interact in any way. Enforcing one account per person does encourage respectfulness and politeness.

I think amnesty would be an excellent idea.

The person who laughed at me (can't remember who/don't care): There is nothing more we can do for now. There are many people with more than one account that have grown through it, and these should be let off. Then, once that is done, I think anyone found to have multiple accounts can be banned completely.
I would add that the solution to Chrispminis problem is anonymous games, one of several features I have been thinking of adding myself once 0.8 is out.

Sorry to double post, but just to clarify my proposal. I think that we should start a new thread, where all the multiple accounts (the 2nd ones, not the main ones) can post. They won't have to admit who they are, although they can. Then, all those accounts will be deleted after a certain wait, perhaps let the amnesty last until the moderators come in, then they can check that everyone on that list hasn't used it to cheat and correct if applicable.
From then on, any multiple accounts and they'll all get banned.

Having 2 counts:

The firts to play, the second to study your opponets...

I thought some time ago about that, but I refuse to do that, because this will take too many time that I prefeer spend in living out of this site.

To take you back to before the points system, there was one case where someone was playing in almost 40 games. Obviously he wasn't playing in these games with any sort of quality, but back then just playing in games gave you a higher status ranking, and there was nothing to stop you playing in as many games as you want.

The reason for the points system is so that you can choose to play in a lot of small points games, or just a few large points games. This way players have a way of knowing which games are the most likely to have unreliable players.

That's the theory anyway, and whatever bad stuff you can say about the point system I think it has stopped the players who play absurd amounts of games at the same time.

But no there's no reason whatsoever for anyone to need more than one account.

please ban multiaccouners

:) thanks for that again alamothe. think banning wamlam wouldn't be right. deleting his confessed to second account should suffice.

yes, sorry if anyone misinterpreted, don't ban wawlam59 of course

One account is sufficient. Having more than one means you have a better chance of progressing into the higher pot games and is not fair on those that slave away honestly with a single account.

Do an amnesty by all means, but I don't think we'll ever be able to rid the site completely of multiaccounters.

"One and only one account. It is a condition of joining."
No it's not. There are no conditions to joining at all :p

That's not the point 'testing' It's the spirit of the game. You should have one account and one only. Why do you need more than one, other than to obtain an unfair advantage over normal players?

If multi-accounts are not used in the same game, then I don't see a problem. A player might use another account to try a new playing style without affecting his reputation on the other account. If multi-accounting is done in this way it can actually be beneficial, as it reduces meta-gaming.

P.S. Yes testing is a multi-account. I was "testing" the account creation process and forgot I was logged in.

Lmatt, having more than one account is cheating. There are two main reasons for the points:
1) To show who's best (debatable whether this works, cue Noodle)
2) To stop new players joining the big games.

By having multiple accounts people can join more games, such as 100pt games then hope to win one, and give up on the other accounts

So therefore i must be cheating as I created an account called "testing", even though it has not joined any games.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with you. Only using multiple accounts in the same game is cheating.

There are reasons why a player might use multiple accounts - such as trying out a different playing strategy, or because they have built up a "reputation" on their normal account. A player could use multiple accounts to help *reduce* meta-gaming.

I cannot see why using multiple accounts in this way is cheating at all. I suppose I can see your argument in that it makes the points system even more meaningless, but really, who cares, the game should be about enjoying yourself and trying to win each game as it comes, not trying to gain as many points as possible.

Surely there is a better system of separating players by ability, as it seems that the point system has been the cause of many problems on this site.

My sister has and account Bweni, she played in one game only, and that was a private game in which the others knew. So delete the account and don't ban me!
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lmatt, it undermines one of the primary reasons for the point system.

Before the points system, several players would play in as many as 40 games at once! The result was that games in which they were doing bad were discarded and the general quality of gameplay was diminished greatly.

One of the major purposes behind the point system was to have a natural buffer against this effect. Players now have a natural cap to the games they may play at a time. But at the same time, there is an option, play a few high stakes games, or play more lower stakes games.

Creating more accounts to play more games completely bypasses the solution Kestas worked hard to create, and renews our old problem.

The game should be about enjoying the game, but you should concentrate on the games that you have with your one account, and not attempt to play others with other accounts. It is impossible to maintain the same level of gameplay if you have your time spread over a lot of games.

I agree that there needs to be a way of limiting the games a player takes part in, and ensures games are of high quality. I'm just not totally sure points are the best way to do it.

...particually when Rait could join as many as 1859 games at once...

ghostmaker, good point, though i dont think he wants to be humilitated in that many games. just kidding rait... ;-)

i have to go all the way back to the top of the forum and agree with flashman, as well as jefat and figlesquidge. yes, you should have to earn the right to play in higher stakes games (myself, i dont want to have 1 or 2 high stakes games, but rather 6 to 8 medium/small ranked games). however, if you choose to have more than one account (i dont know why you would, but thats your problem), you should at least openly post it in the forum to make sure that everyone knows about it (i commend wawlam for this), and then make sure that these two accounts are never in a game together.

well, thats my two cents...

Can the user not be given the chance to 'delete' their own account in their settings?

I presume some people may create a couple of accounts simply because they change their name, or prefer another name or even got it wrong when they first joined etc.

Admittedly there will be people who have 2 or more accounts to 'abuse' the system, but I reckon the majority have no intention other than either wanting to have several 'names' and profiles, or just raised more than one in error.

I agree tho, anyone with two accounts or more should perhaps put something in their profile indicating their other names etc etc.

Well, the chance to change an account name and delete it are two options I do think should be added. If account names could be changed however, it should be noted that an account has changed name, and a name history be available so the account can be tracked by other players

There is no fair reason to have more than one account, and as doing so gives a player an unfair advantage in cumulative Dip-points and game access, it should certainly be made clear to anyone registering an account that only one account is allowed per person, and the penalty for multi-accounting is suspension/deletion of all your accounts.
Perhaps that is something that could be added to the site quite easily?

again, i have to agree with figlesqidge.

but not on the matter of the u following q rule :P

Haha, well you can't talk - you've got capitals in the middle of a word :P

Adding a warning would be simple, and once done people can have no complaints, allowing a zero tolerance

Actually it is two words... and just not allowed a space. (and Ghostmaker is one word, I decided)