Forum
A place to discuss topics/games with other webDiplomacy players.
Page 1086 of 1419
FirstPreviousNextLast
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Aug 13 UTC
Anyone wanna play....
....the game. HAHAHA.

No seriously. If you wanna play a full press 3 day phase game 15 D bet please say so now pl0xxxxxxx.
1 reply
Open
orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Aug 13 UTC
Wars per country, downward trend explained?
m.phys.org/news/2013-08-war-analysis.html

Interesting analysis.
0 replies
Open
shield (3929 D)
30 Aug 13 UTC
Failed Convoy Cuts Support, Yes?
Assuming fleet is not dislodged?
4 replies
Open
Heywoods (100 D)
30 Aug 13 UTC
Beautiful building oil paintings on sale here
The California Academia of the Fine Artistry, owner of two trademark oil paintings by United states realist Edward Hopper, plans to sell one and plow the predicted substantial continues into a finance mostly for getting modern art, authorities have declared.
-----------------
Most beautiful oil paintings here:http://www.oilpainting-shop.com/
0 replies
Open
Heywoods (100 D)
30 Aug 13 UTC
Cheap 365 days of happiness tree oil painting
A regional artist’s performs will be presented in an Emmy Award-winning TV display.The makers of “Homeland” have leased three oil paintings by Curt Servant, a full-time expert oil artist and proprietor of Servant Studio room in Gastonia.
------------------------
Cheap oil paintings here:http://www.oilpainting-shop.com/
0 replies
Open
steephie22 (182 D(S))
29 Aug 13 UTC
I think my sister is going to a concert of Selena Gomez soon...
That's what she told me anyway. But can that girl even sing any good? I never heard her sing anything good :P
8 replies
Open
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
28 Aug 13 UTC
New Variant Gunboat Series Notice
Due to absurd abuse of the Wait for Orders (games sitting for weeks) mode I'll be turning that mode off in all of the games 24 hours from now.
14 replies
Open
T.W. Higginson (100 D)
29 Aug 13 UTC
New Game: Kill Thy Neighbor, pw: history
Game is on the America map. We need a few more players. The game is set to anonymous. Join now, 5 more minutes to go!
1 reply
Open
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
Is violence ever the solution?
Time to make an obi like post talking about morality, politics and war in general; and Syria in particular. See inside:
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
(+1)
Part 1: The morality (or lack thereof) of war. Is there are moral reason to invade Syria?
As I hope many of you are aware, the Pentagon has taken steps to prepare for war against Syria and Obama is considering ordering a strike.


Now as a self-proclaimed non-interventionist, who opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, is against almost all foreign aid, thinks the US spends way too much on their military, and has even gone as far as arguing that the US shouldn't have intervened in World War 2 (I've been iffy on this one).


The non-interventionist in me is 100% opposed to this war: my current fb status is a 410 word argument explaining why we shouldn't invade Syria. My last 2 tweets are links to articles (one from Reason, one from Reuters) which take a similar stance. I was one of the first to like the fb page 'I Bet I Can Find 10 Million People Opposed To War On Syria'. My last 2 political debates with friends (both with different people), have been about this topic.


While my recent track record on the internet (which given how rarely I use social media devices, all of this happened 48 hours ago) shows full opposition to this potential war, I am not as opposed to this war as I have appeared.


As some of you know, I am an avid reader of The Economist, reading most issues and a fair amount of the articles in each issue.


Their newest issue (which hasn't been released as of writing this) has a cover with a close up of Assad and the title 'Hit him hard'. Clearly referencing their view on the situation.


As a huge fan of The Economist, I take their views into consideration on most issues and quite honestly, as much as I hate to admit it, kind of agree with them.


The Economist is normally rational and their articles are normally opinionated based on the beliefs of their editors. Over the last few years, The Economist has taken a Realpolitik stance on politics and foreign policy;
They advocate sending more foreign aid to Vietnam, despite its poor track record on human rights, on the grounds that Vietnam is the strongest anti-Chinese country in the region.
They advocate for war on Syria; not because Assad is a brutal dictator; not because gassing your citizens is wrong; not because 12,000 lives have been lost in this civil war, but as a show of strength and a warning against other potential enemies.
There are probably other examples of realpolitik by the economist, but I can't think of any.


The Economist fears that if we let Assad get away with using WMDs, Iran and North Korea will be more aggressive towards their nuclear programs. Since Obama has stated that the use of chemical weapons is a red line, if he doesn't punish Assad for using them, he will be viewed as a weak pushover to the international community.


This is especially concerning given that Iran; one of two anti-American nations currently developing a nuclear missile program has just had a change in leadership. President Rouhani has in the past stated that he is willing to negotiate with America on ending their nuclear program; he may reconsider that stance if he believes that Iran can get away with developing WMDs.


I’m not being entirely fair to the Economist here, I’ve intentionally made it look like they’re a neocon paper with immoral reasons for supporting the war.


To phrase it nicer, the reasons to going to war are utilitarian; 12,000+ people have died in this civil war, and ending it could save thousands more lives. Chemical weapons are a WMD banned by the UN and international law, if we don’t punish those who violate international laws regarding combat, then why bother having them? And most importantly (and alluded to earlier) not punishing the use of WMDs may encourage others to use them, which could result in millions of deaths, as opposed to just thousands.


As I will explain later, I don’t view realpolitik as immoral, so by making it look like the only justification of war is realpolitik, I’m not completely slamming The Economist, or others who share similar views.


To answer the above question: Is there a moral argument to invade?
Yes! However there is also a moral argument not to invade. Morality and ethics, being entirely an opinion issue means that a moral argument can be made for anything.


Overall whether or not to support the war is based on your views on ethics and morals:
A very brief and simplistic view on whether or not war is justified:
Ethics:
Utilitarian
We should go to war because this war will save lives in the long run
We shouldn't go to war because this war will not save lives in the long run
Deontology
We should go to war because our enemy is evil and we must stop him.
We shouldn't go to war because violence is wrong, and so violence, even if its in the name of ending violence, is wrong.


So, as the title of this piece states, is violence ever justified? And to look at Syria in particular, is invading Syria justifiable?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
invisible pink unicorn?
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
Part 2: The costs of war: A cost-benefit analysis of Syrian intervention.

We've talked about the morality behind the question of invasion, however if we’re following the realpolitik model of war, we still need to ask whether or not the costs of the war are worth the beneficial outcome. Since I’ve previously mentioned that the only reason I would consider going to war is Realpolitik, I will only being using Realpolitik in the below argument.

According to Realpolitik theory, now is an important time to demonstrate power, and the gassing in Syria is the best current, and likely only, casus belli well get, we therefore most use and exploit it to its fullest extent.

However there are risks to war and since we’re using a Machiavellian reason to go to war, we should also look at what else Machiavelli said about the repercussions of similar wars.

Firstly, we have to ask ourselves ‘is the war winnable?’ If the biggest justification of entering this war is to demonstrate power to keep rivals in check, then losing this war, would be a further embarrassment to the international community and would only serve to decrease our leverage when bargaining with rogue states rather than serve to increase it. This means if we go to war, we must make sure that we win, and when doing a cost-benefit analysis we must take into consider the costs of making sure the war comes to a quick and decisive end, as well as make sure that we have a high probability of winning, knowing full well what happened in Iraq and making sure we don’t repeat the same mistakes.

Secondly, we have to look at the end game. Based on the time period Machiavelli lived in, he looked at invasions under the assumption that an invasion would either lead to an annexation of the territory in question, or in failure. Since its unrealistic to expect America is going to invade and keep the territory, we have to ask ourselves ‘if we overthrow Assad, who replaces him’. None of the parties in question have a positive view on America, and its quite possible that whoever replaces Assad will be far worse. Therefore when doing a cost-benefit analysis on the war in question, we have to take into consideration the likelihood of us needing to intervene again in the future.

Finally, we have to take into consideration the economic costs, mainly whether or not the almost bankrupted federal government can fund the war but also the economic downside of the destruction that will ensue (both in loss of life and destruction of property). When doing a cost-benefit analysis we have to ask ourselves whether or not the economic consequence are worth the benefits of the war.

With all this in mind, do the benefits of the war outweigh the costs?
I don’t know, I'm not an expert.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
(+1)
@Ora: AHA! you failed to ninja my (first) post due to the magic of copy and paste
basically you had an opinion, but you read a shit magazine, that is often rather poor, and you're having a change of heart?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
'The morality (or lack thereof) of war. Is there are moral reason to invade Syria?' - No, and invasion, perhaps to take land, is not moral.

A peace-keeping mission does not qualify as an invasion.

'The Economist fears that if we let Assad get away with using WMDs...'

it's not about using Chemical weapons, it's about doing something we (ie the international community) disapproves of. Not that the US has signed up to the ICJ - Obama said that the use of chemical weapons crosses a line, and the US president has a reputation to uphold, he can't be seen to be weak or go back on what he's said!

In a sense, without the ICJ the only justice the US recognizes is the justice of US troops blowing up evil-doers... So, honestly, i'd rather see the US not intervene, anywhere, for any reason (under these terms) But, to be realpolitik, i'm sure if this bully became completely isolationist, then another bully would quickly take their place.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
'@Ora: AHA! you failed to ninja my (first) post due to the magic of copy and paste '

Yes, my ninja skills were too slow :(
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
Not completely, I've always partially associated with Realpolitik ever since reading the prince. While I disagreed with the article when I initially read it, I decided to form an argument using the realpolitik+economist arguments for going the war, and then decided to argue both sides.

Mostly in an effort to keep an open mind, partially for fun, and partially because I don't have a conclusive opinion to whether or not war is justified.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
By the war, the above was in response to Socrates

"it's not about using Chemical weapons, it's about doing something we (ie the international community) disapproves of. Not that the US has signed up to the ICJ - Obama said that the use of chemical weapons crosses a line, and the US president has a reputation to uphold, he can't be seen to be weak or go back on what he's said!"
Thats kinda what I said.

"In a sense, without the ICJ the only justice the US recognizes is the justice of US troops blowing up evil-doers... So, honestly, i'd rather see the US not intervene, anywhere, for any reason (under these terms) But, to be realpolitik, i'm sure if this bully became completely isolationist, then another bully would quickly take their place."
Fair enough, so morally, the US doesn't have a reason to invade Syria unless its under the argument that it can prevent wars with Iran and North Korea.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
*by the way

Also on the costs of war post, I forget to mention the diplomacy aspect. How will Russia and China react. Anyway this took me 2 and a bit hours to write so I'm not really interested in adding more to my argument, at least not right now, lol.
krellin (80 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
"and the US president has a reputation to uphold, he can't be seen to be weak or go back on what he's said!"

Haaaa ha ha ha ha!!! Ohh ho...ho boy...Really?!!? Obama is afraid to be seen as weak/lying/going back on his word??? Give me a fucking break, seriously.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
To answer the question "is violence ever justified", the answer is: absolutely. If I am the victim of a home invasion and my wife is being held captive, I'll kill the mother fuckers to save her life. That violence is justified. In self-defense or defense of others who are innocent victims, violence is justified.

Now, is an *invasion* justified is another issue and I would say it depends on the specifics. I do *not* think invading Iraq was justified. I *do* think the war in Afghansitan was as that was self-defense over the numbnut organization of terrorists who attacked us.

I don't know enough about the Surian situation to speak on it with authority and will reserve my judgement until such time as I have more knowledge and knowledge sufficient for me to fell comfortable passing judgement one way or the other.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
"@Fair enough, so morally, the US doesn't have a reason to invade Syria unless..."

The justification is, if the US has a moral obligation to furthering it's own interests, and that of it's citizens (just like companies have a moral obligation to turn a profit for investors) then it is 'moral' to continue to ensure you are able to use the threat of force without needing to use any force...

Cities used to surrender to the mongols, because fighting them meant getting destroyed. But they had to destroy a few cities to get this reputation.

@Krellin, do you really think that Obama doesn't have an international reputation. He blows people up with drone for feck sake.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
I'm also a massive pacifist, yet i still agree with: "In self-defense or defense of others who are innocent victims, violence is justified."
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
"Haaaa ha ha ha ha!!! Ohh ho...ho boy...Really?!!? Obama is afraid to be seen as weak/lying/going back on his word??? Give me a fucking break, seriously."
To his constituents: No
To the international community: Yes

"The justification is, if the US has a moral obligation to furthering it's own interests, and that of it's citizens (just like companies have a moral obligation to turn a profit for investors) then it is 'moral' to continue to ensure you are able to use the threat of force without needing to use any force...

Cities used to surrender to the mongols, because fighting them meant getting destroyed. But they had to destroy a few cities to get this reputation."
The mongols are a perfect example of realpolitik succeeding, now whether that is morally justified is another question.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
"In self-defense or defense of others who are innocent victims, violence is justified."
Self-defense yes, I think everyone will agree, but innocent victims isn't really pacifism.
Every war will result in collateral damage, so you'd have to intervene in every war if you were interested in protecting innocents.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
So you toially ignore my post where it regards my wife being kidnapped? Fuck you. In direct defense of innocents, violence *is* justified. To what degree is where the question comes into play. And the relastionship of the innocents to their rescuers.

Are you saying a cop isn't justified in shooting a gun wielding mass murderer in a theater full of movie goers? How about a a school full of inncoent children? How about if *your* life is the one he is saving? Or the life of someone you hold dear?

Rethink your statement then get back to me.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
'To his constituents: No
To the international community: Yes'

Exactly. He is allowed to lie to his people... infact he's pretty weak within the US, all these laws preventing him from doing stuff... and Congress.

Whereas outside the US, he's got nukes. Tonnes of them!
Fasces349 (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
"So you toially ignore my post where it regards my wife being kidnapped? Fuck you"
Not ignore more of being too lazy to respond why not see:
"this took me 2 and a bit hours to write so I'm not really interested in adding more to my argument, at least not right now, lol."
I may or may not respond later, but the immediate hostility is not appreciated.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
"Every war will result in collateral damage, so you'd have to intervene in every war if you were interested in protecting innocents. "

That would be obligation, not justification. You didn't ask if we were *obligated* to protect the innocent. You asked if violence was justified. It is justified in protecting innocent victims. Go look up obligation and justification in a dictionary and you will see they are *not* synonymous.
krellin (80 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
""Haaaa ha ha ha ha!!! Ohh ho...ho boy...Really?!!? Obama is afraid to be seen as weak/lying/going back on his word??? Give me a fucking break, seriously."
To his constituents: No
To the international community: Yes"

WRONG AGAIN He promised the global community to close Gitmo...still open...and presumably the US is still torturing as well...you going to believe them if they say they aren't?

Obama has **zero**zip**nadda** credibility on the world stage precisely because he has demonstrated to the world that his words are meaningless.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
'Self-defense yes, I think everyone will agree, but innocent victims isn't really pacifism.'

I think you can extend self-defence, or at least the self part, to your immediate family - that much is fairly easy.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
And the cop who kills the mass murderer in the movie theater or the school full of children? Is he not justified in using violence?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
That depends, when should you shoot cops?
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
When they go into a theater and start mass shoooting civilians maybe? What does that strawman have fuck or shit to do with a cop defending a school full of children being slaughtered by a mad man?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
It is much harder to say whether the cop is in the right, because you've failed to provide the societal context; i mean, in an ideal society where the government only acts in the best interests of the citizenry, and where all the operatives of the government are moral and good, then sure, we can assume that maybe the cop will be armed with non-lethal weapons and disable a mass murder.

(Because that's my ideal situation where the murderer can find justice. )

But without giving that context you can't make the jump.
This is an easy line to draw.

You're allowed to act in self-defense and in defense of innocent victims.

You're not allowed to act to force other people to do so.

Ergo, you're allowed to defend yourself, your wife, be a cop and defend a school of children, be a regular citizen and kill a cop attacking innocents. You're allowed to raise money to fund an army to go defend innocent people halfway across the world. You're not allowed to threaten millions of people with imprisonment to extort money out of them to pay an army to go defend innocent people halfway across the world.

That is why I am heavily sympathetic toward, but ultimately oppose, a humanitarian intervention in Syria. Using violence to raise money to stop violence is not justifiable.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
@ora - Context? United States - typical town be it midwest, Pacific northwest, East Coast, wherever. And sorry, but a tazer ain't gonna do shit against a guy with a high-powered rifle. Deadly force often must be met with deadly force, but it shoul dbe a last resort as the recent situation where the gunman was talked down by a very heroic school administrative assistant and an on the ball 911 operator can attest too.

@PE - I agree. In fact, I don't see where we (the US) are either obligated or justified in shoving our military schlong in every situation in the middle east.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
Violation of human rights is justifiable if its objective is to end ongoing violation of human rights of a greater magnitude than the violation in question.

Example:

You are a sniper with a clear shot at the head of a man firing a machine gun at a crowd.

Ethically you are obliged to deprive him of his life.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
But I must point out the OP asked...

"Is violence ever the solution?"

To which I said "absolutely". do you deny I am correct?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
PE am I detecting support for privatized militaries in your statement?

Lol good grief.

I mean I know you're libertarian and I often playfully mock you for it, but good God man, tell me I've misread you.

And lastly, I don't know how many times I need to say this, but

PROXIMITY IS AN COMPLETELY ILLEGITIMATE FACTOR IN ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS.

If I have a button that when pressed will release a guillotine and kill an innocent child, it is wrong if I am in the room; it is just as wrong if I am halfway across the world, just as wrong if I am on the fucking Moon.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
Who me? No I do not deny you are correct. Violence is at times the most moral path.

See John Brown thread from a few months ago.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
The reason I phrased my first response in the way that I did however is that any violence against a person is a violation of their human right to physical sovereignty and right to life if they are killed.

So I took a broader approach, the same could be said of indefinite imprisonment, some people are so dangerous and hard to rehabilitate that they have to be locked up for the rest of their life, despite the fact that this goes against their freedom of movement.

And so on, it can get even more nuanced. If I am in a party of 5 men trekking through the desert and we are all dying of thirst, and we all believe we are a week away from rescue, but know we only have the water for 4 people for a week, it is moral to designate one of you to die.

In terms of how you decide, you could go on and on, it's not really the point here, the point would be that you are in a situation where *right now* you have the water to keep all five alive, but given the circumstances, it is moral to deny the water to one of the men.
I'm speaking in abstract. Abstractly, if someone wants to raise a private army to be deployed as neutral peacekeepers in conflict zones, go for it. In practice, no one on Earth is going to drop the billions of dollars in capital necessary to raise such an army without expecting a return on that investment -- and the only way that investment can pay dividends is plunder, which is pretty obviously not okay.

And when I say "halfway around the world" it's just a descriptor applying this to Syria. The argument applies as much to unrest in Mexico as it does to unrest in Syria.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
Why should it be any different from as though it were happening in the county down the road?
Emac (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
Fasces, you misrepresent and ignore the facts. The Pentagon has plans for conflict with numerous countries, and it is a dereliction of the Pentagon's duty not to prepare such plans. Your statement implies the Pentagon just made a plan for an imminent action which is inaccurate. Your statement also misleads because the United States is not preparing to declare war on Syria. The United States has no intention whatsoever to invade Syria.

It is in the best interests of the United States to stay completely neutral in regard to Hassad and the Islamists rebellion. Assad is a brutal dictator and the Islamists fighting against him represent and even greater threat to the region and the world. We should not do one damn thing to help either side. Syrian blood is on Syrian hands, Muslim blood is on Muslim hands, and Arab blood is on Arab hands. From a geo-political reality the United States has no business helping either side in any way. Let the Arabs, Muslim, and Syrians solve an Arab, Muslim, and Syrian problem The idea that we need to intervene in the name of global humanity is irrational and illogical.
It's not any different, Thucy. Innocents in Syria are innocent, and merit the same moral consideration, as innocents in the US. No question here. My issue is with the means, not the location or national identity of the people themselves (and I honestly do not understand the arguments that focus on the latter).
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
Alright, cool. I guess in my own way of thinking innocent lives outweigh nearly any means. Certainly any monetary ones.

Not to mention that there is a real moral consideration for acts of war. Yes, theoretically you could redirect the money you might use on a Syrian intervention to humanitarian intervention in chronically poor areas and save more lives that way but

1) is this really ever going to happen, and why don't we say the same of say, the national endowment for the arts?

2) there is a case to be made that a conflict like the one in Syria is more morally outrageous because it involves people intentionally massacring each other rather than simply ignoring each other's poverty and allowing them to die passively. I do not agree that the moral difference is inherent, but in practice in people's perceptions, allowing a massacre to occur, for really any reason other than preventing a still larger massacre, is morally untenable. It makes you into an accomplice.

It's complex, I grant you. But at another level it's really quite simple - is what is happening in Syria acceptable? If you answer no, you have to try to put a stop to it.

Sending medical supplies will save lives and should be done, but it will not stop the war.

Hence, violence is sometimes necessary.

Sometimes you have to shoot at an armed mob to force them to disperse.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
"Sometimes you have to shoot at an armed mob to force them to disperse. "

Actually, they taught us to *not* shoot into an armed crowd. The standing terms of engagement for the USMC defending a post is to not fire until fired upon. Aremd isn't good enough. They must fire upon your position(s) first.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
Brain fart... *Rules* of engagement.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
I'm not actually talking about the rules of engagement but rather ethics, thanks for that tidbit though.

Go back to my sniper example - it doesn't matter if he's shooting *at you* - you've got to shoot him and stop his killing.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
I was only specifically referring to the armed mob statement. Yes, I agree the sniper argument. IT's what I have been saying all along. A sniper in a college clock tower take pot shots and killing students in the campus grounds below need to be shot at to be stopped. But if shooting at him causes him to stop shooting, then that is the most appropriate and justified action to take.

And it is true that the op specified violence. Violence doesn't have to include killing. Hell, it doesn't even have to involve a gun or weapon of any sort. A smack in the face and a shout of "Snap out of it!" is violence (points to those who can name the reference and the stars involved in the scene).
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
"A sniper in a college clock tower take pot shots and killing students in the campus grounds below need to be shot at to be stopped."

Hey man, too soon, too soon. Lol.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 13 UTC
Too soon was back when Joss Whedon had a Buffy episode in the can when suddenly that exact thing happened. But that was 1999, more than a decade ago.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
"Yes, theoretically you could redirect the money you might use on a Syrian intervention to humanitarian intervention in chronically poor areas and save more lives that way but..."

wait, where is the money going? Well ammo and butter, i guess, so into american pockets - US weapons manufacturers, and US soldiers.

Humanitarian relief could mean sourcing regionally grown food, and medical supplies. Not very patriotic, also nowhere near as heroic.... so it looks bad for an american electorate.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Aug 13 UTC
"Humanitarian relief could mean sourcing regionally grown food, and medical supplies. Not very patriotic, also nowhere near as heroic.... so it looks bad for an american electorate"

Word, but hey, at least Obama proposed this, of course congress shot it down.

Of course you are right, this is what should be done. It's an outrage that it's not.


46 replies
podium (498 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
Web Dip Fantasy Football
Surprised to see that nobody who played last year hasn't posted anything yet.
I won't set up league but if someone who played last year wants to set it up again I'm in.
Also post here if interested.We had two leagues last year perhaps we can have more this year if there is interest.
82 replies
Open
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
27 Aug 13 UTC
Russia to US, West--"Catastrophic Consequences" Should the West Attempt to Intervene
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-catastrophic-consequences-syria-hit-100720291.html In other news, water is still wet and the Mets still suck (why did you have to tear your shoulder ligament, Matt Harvey, why?) but setting aside US/Russia tensions are about as commonplace as anything these days...well, thoughts on the latest developments in Syria? Intervene, don't intervene...?
126 replies
Open
hecks (164 D)
29 Aug 13 UTC
And the Beardy goes to...
The 2013 MLB Beard Awards. Discuss, enjoy. http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/72713/base-beards-the-2013-mlb-beard-awards?ex_cid=grantland33
5 replies
Open
redhouse1938 (429 D)
29 Aug 13 UTC
In several hours from now
a hazy picture of a truck and a silo shall be presented to us and it shall be captioned "Image 327. Undisputable evidence that Syrian high command used chemical weapons on its civilians."
Such are the burdens..
0 replies
Open
krellin (80 DX)
28 Aug 13 UTC
Call Me a Dirty So-n-So III
Calling for obnoxious fellows that need a good verbal lashing for a Modern Diplomacy game.

Come on out you rat bastards...and you know who you are...
44 replies
Open
partytime (131 D)
29 Aug 13 UTC
new to online diplomacy!
Can anybody tell me how to post me orders plz ?
2 replies
Open
SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
29 Aug 13 UTC
A spot open for a replacement
gameID=122910, for brave ones seeking for a challenge,
original Italy has dissapeared.
2 replies
Open
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
29 Aug 13 UTC
Rape justice in a Montana stylee !!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23882735

Hardly too absurd to be believed ...... he is truly sad pathetic old man
1 reply
Open
hecks (164 D)
29 Aug 13 UTC
Debt Ceiling
Hey, remember last year, when the whole US public had a knock-down, drag-out screaming match over the debt ceiling? Who's ready to do *that* again?! Just kill me now.
2 replies
Open
Tolstoy (1962 D)
28 Aug 13 UTC
Does paying taxes to a government...
Make one morally culpable for that government's actions? Discuss.
26 replies
Open
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Aug 13 UTC
Ughhh give me advice
See inside
202 replies
Open
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
28 Aug 13 UTC
Fort Hood Shooter
Got the death penalty. Military peeps rejoice! ...... Of course there's still ten years of appeals to go.

http://news.yahoo.com/fort-hood-shooter-nidal-hasan-gets-death-penalty-192904908--abc-news-topstories.html
12 replies
Open
dirge (768 D(B))
22 Aug 13 UTC
(+1)
I want to live as a woman named Chelsea
Bradley Manning
61 replies
Open
philcore (317 D(S))
20 Aug 13 UTC
(+7)
first time in london and i finally have wifi ...
So I decided to post here, rather than tell my family we arrived safely.
52 replies
Open
Emac (0 DX)
27 Aug 13 UTC
Criminally liable for not immunizing
There is a debate in the California legislature to make an individual criminally liable for knowingly exposing others to an infectious disease if the individual refused an immunization for that disease. A Canadian case where an idiot infected with measles walked into a hospital newborn nursery.
102 replies
Open
Njgerry (100 D)
27 Aug 13 UTC
What now?
What do you do if you believe that one person is playing two nations in one game?
3 replies
Open
SYnapse (0 DX)
28 Aug 13 UTC
Hungary Petition
http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/2675?n=34375532.d5ndx9

Please sign the petition for EU intervention in Hungary
0 replies
Open
Mapu (362 D)
27 Aug 13 UTC
(+1)
Invitation for PBEM games
This was posted on vdip and a friend of mine on there asked me to post it here.
9 replies
Open
LakersFan (899 D)
17 Aug 13 UTC
Around the World Gunboat 14 EoG
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=104131
2 replies
Open
SacredDigits (102 D)
27 Aug 13 UTC
Anyone want to take over an Egypt position?
It's not terribad.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=121610
6 replies
Open
krellin (80 DX)
03 Aug 13 UTC
(+10)
I am your Moral Guide
In a recent thread about *bad* behavior by Democrats, it was suggested that no goood Lib/Dem was outraged by the racist behavior because I posted the thread...in other words, you judge the word by the light of me. i.e., I am not your moral guide, apparently.

Please feel free to post your moral dilemmas here for my review, or PM me if they are too personal. I will be a kind and just judge.
81 replies
Open
Page 1086 of 1419
FirstPreviousNextLast
Back to top