Meta from past games is fine IMO. And if it could be argued that your posts distract and detract from towns ability to hunt scum, then I don't see a problem with that.

Eh, the role PM thing was something I actually did plan on doing, but accidentally read mine before I could do anything serious with it. I'd have to think about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with it off the top of my head.

That's never why I vote for bb, Chaqa.

No, Vash, by introducing that information to the game, you're *adding* to the asymmetry, not decreasing it. Now there's a whole other layer of deception that people have to sort through.

Whereas only you know that you're telling the truth

Goldie, meta from past games is not easily available unless you were there. No one is going to read 27 games worth of mafia.

I dont think I am a victim of meta bullying. I get voted for because im spammy and scummy. If it was any different id get geniunely scumread for not spamming too. Lol. So I take it in stride. My death had value---- goldy basically was caught by me *not vash*. And Everyone dies in mafia. I should rethink making myself more like-able in the future and know how to stop before I anger people into voting me.

Its becoming habitual and sometimes its useful to put myself into the fire and hope to emerge a semi clear by being paired next to scum on a counter wagon. But it certainly hasnt always worked

I believe we should have dragons in Mafia.

You can quickly learn within a game or two. And no game is majority newbs. That's a type of distortion that quickly goes away, can easily be verified by the majority of players, and is not permanent. The types I'm describing are.

LOL omg I just spit my water out laughing

I still don't get why it's preferable to have people forcibly not mention reasons key to their reads....

Why are you basing your reads so much on out-of-game reasons then, Vash? That's the bigger question to ask.

FWIW I will accept being banned from the next game. My deadpost was clearly against the rules. I apologised directly to DO but I accept my transgression and accept being banned next time if the Council so decides.

On that topic how is the Council in a position to make any rulings, when it has only one member currently?

Because If I happen to know something that gives me more information and therefore a more accurate picture I won't just ignore it, and wouldn't be able to even if I tried.

Order of business
A. New council members

*Nominating DemonOverlord and Vash*

B. Assign GM for M28

C. Administer punishments and review ban suggestions

D. Play the damn game and love it!

Itd be smart not to make the council all wwbdip mods.
Otherwise id say bo and ghug

@Chaqa I disagree that we should nominate council members in hopes that makes them not play anymore. I prefer being a GM to playing. Thats a much better way to keep me quiet.

Mostly were losing players rapidly and itd be nice to have the council people play more regularly than meme and flum did.

Yeah, I don't really get why people have been quitting.

We're getting new members too, it's a cycle. It happens.

I mean, the only people left from Mafia 1 were myself, Vash, and meme, and now meme is quitting...

Maybe vecna would be a solid council member. He plays on multiple mafia sites.

I approve of DemonOverlord as a council member nominee

Eh.

Ghug is on vacation for a few months yet and bo wants as little to do with yall as possible when the games aren't happening so don't nominate either of us.

I nominate bo.

Also there's only one mod allowed on the council, so we're ineligible until his ass gets fired from one or the other.

I think so long as everyone adheres to the spirit of the game, I don't think it really matters where you draw your conclusions from.

The council members should not be people who have only GMed 1 game or not GMed at all. The whole point of it (or original purpose) was to have highly qualified people to accept, review, and alter setups to make them balanced. We need to honor that tradition and have people on there that have GMed many games.

I would recommend that the Council accept applications so we can explain why we would be qualified.

Its not a bad idea to have a fresh council with unique perspectives; new, old and everything else. A clean record should be a requirement -- no bans-- no drama -- someone who is calm and organized. Flum and meme were good examples of this.

Also someone who can be the speaker of the decisions. Meme was the voice of many decisions. Someone who -- if they arent a GM -- is very aware of how setups and rules operate on other sites not just here. Thats why vash would be great. Hes been on many mafia sites including TOS. And Vecna as well who is a former mod and hasnt been a GM but generally vecna is beloved by all.