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thewonderllama (100 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
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RiffArt (1299 D)
06 Nov 08 UTC
Spirit of the Game
A situation in one of my current games has led me to wonder what exactly the "spirit" of the game is.
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lazysummer8484 (0 DX)
08 Nov 08 UTC
Quick question
Suppose you just captured a center in autumn.
If you move out of that center in winter but happen to bounce back to it, would you get a build next turn?

thanks
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Domokun
DOMO KUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
04 Nov 08 UTC
New sort of team game?
This will be a team game where no-one except your partner (and the arbiter) knows who you're teamed with.
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david707 (100 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
Internal Server Error
Here is a message that comes up whenever i try to update orders or open my chat with a player:
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amsgnoj (107 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
pausing games
dear mods,
i need all games paused. i am very busy and i have berely enough time to do my turns. so i need them paused for this weekend since i wont be there. im sure you can go to my player profile an go into all my games that arnt over and pause them, thankyou. this includes friday.
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Which religion/non- religion are you part of?
We've had age and gender so why not religion/non-religion?
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Sicarius (673 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
the ten commandments are really just plagarism.
alot of the bible really

check this out

"Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
I have not reviled the God.
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
I have not blocked the God at his processions.


thats the egyptian book of the dead.

Sicarius (673 D)
29 Oct 08 UTC
Anyway that doesnt really matter we're talking about morals.
From the beginning of our civilization, our vision of ourselves has suffered from a sort of schizophrenia, pulled between these two unrealistic poles of good and evil. Plato posited that we each had an angelic spirit in our mind, and a bestial demon in our belly, with all our actions, emotions, and passions torn between them. This provides a foreshadowing of Descartes’ dualism, which remains a powerful idiom today, even though modern medicine has conclusively proven the strong interdependence of mind and body. Though I doubt it was a conscious modelling, it would be a mistake to overlook the obvious philosophical heritage this provides to Freud’s formulation of the id, ego and superego. This dichotomy was only made more severe by the influence of Zoroastrianism. Once adopted by Judaism prior to the splintering of Christianity, and later Islam, this vision of the universe at war between good and evil was combined with the ancient Greek concept of macrocosm and microcosm to only further this “bizarre superstition.”1 Even Jesus makes reference to this idea in the gospels with, “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.” (Matthew 26:41) In this vision, humanity itself is neither good nor evil, but only because each individual human is a spiritual battleground between the two. It is a vision of human nature that is not inherently good, nor inherently evil, but instead, inherently schizophrenic. Though widely accepted, it is a rather crude attempt to reconcile “the better angels of our nature” with the ugly facts of our history. Descartes’ dualism, once fundamental to the early practice of medical science, has since become an impediment. Neurology, psychiatry and biopsychology have all highlighted how closely knit the mind and the body are. In fact, any separation is now recognized as utterly lacking in any basis in reality. Humans are products of evolution, and evolution is unconcerned with such abstractions as “good” or “evil.” As Aristotle said, humans are social animals. We are neither “good” nor “evil.” We are only inherently social. So what about our morals? Well without God, there is no longer any objective standard by which to judge good and evil. Most people still seem to think that a universal morality can be grounded in something other than God's laws: in what is good for people, in what is good for society, in what we feel called upon to do. But explanations of why these standards necessarily constitute "universal moral law" are hard to come by. Usually, the arguments for the existence of moral law are emotional rather than rational: "But don't you think rape is wrong?" moralists ask, as if a shared opinion were a proof of universal truth. "But don't you think people need to believe in something greater than themselves?" they appeal, as if needing to believe in something can make it true. Occasionally, they even resort to threats: "but what would happen if everyone decided that there is no good or evil? Wouldn't we all kill each other?" The real problem with the idea of universal moral law is that it asserts the existence of something that we have no way to know anything about. Believers in good and evil would have us believe that there are "moral truths"—that is, there are things that are morally true of this world, in the same way that it is true that the sky is blue. They claim that it is true of this world that murder is morally wrong just as it is true that water freezes at thirty two degrees. But we can investigate the freezing temperature of water scientifically: we can measure it and agree together that we have arrived at some kind of objective truth [that is, insofar as it is possible to speak of objective truth, for you postmodernist motherfuckers!]. On the other hand, what do we observe if we want to investigate whether it is true that murder is evil? There is no tablet of moral law on a mountaintop for us to consult, there are no commandments carved into the sky above us; all we have to go on are our own instincts and the words of a bunch of priests and other self-appointed moral experts, many of whom don't even agree. As for the words of the priests and moralists, if they can't offer any hard evidence from this world, why should we believe their claims? And regarding our instincts—if we feel that something is right or wrong, that may make it right or wrong for us, but that's not proof that it is universally good or evil. Thus, the idea that there are universal moral laws is mere superstition: it is a claim that things exist in this world which we can never actually experience or learn anything about. And we would do well not to waste our time wondering about things we can never know anything about. When two people fundamentally disagree over what is right or wrong, there is no way to resolve the debate. There is nothing in this world to which they can refer to see which one is correct—because there really are no universal moral laws, just personal evaluations. So the only important question is where your values come from: do you create them yourself, according to your own desires, or do you accept them from someone else... someone else who has disguised their opinions as "universal truths"? Haven't you always been a little suspicious of the idea of universal moral truths, anyway? This world is filled with groups and individuals who want to convert you to their religions, their dogmas, their political agendas, their opinions. Of course they will tell you that one set of values is true for everybody, and of course they will tell you that their values are the correct ones. Once you're convinced that there is only one standard of right and wrong, they're only a step away from convincing you that their standard is the right one. How carefully we should approach those who would sell us the idea of "universal moral law," then! Their claim that morality is a matter of universal law is probably just a sneaky way to get us to accept their values rather than forging our own, which might conflict with theirs.
So, to protect ourselves from the superstitions of the moralists and the trickery of the evangelists, let us be done with the idea of moral law. Let us step forward into a new era, in which we will make values of our own rather than accepting moral laws out of fear and obedience. Let this be our new creed: There is no universal moral code that should dictate human behavior. There is no such thing as good or evil, there is no universal standard of right and wrong. Our values and morals come from us and belong to us, whether we like it or not; so we should claim them proudly for ourselves, as our own creations, rather than seeking some external justification for them! Anyway I'm growing tired of typing. If I'm off base a bit I apologize, I must admit I hav not read every single post....
speaking of plagiarism....
Sicarius (673 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
I found it relevant so I put it here.

I am an extremely proud plagarist.

now, 1/5 of the world doesnt worship me, and god isnt so blatant about his plagarism, so I think the bible is a bit of a different circumstance
Chrispminis (916 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Yeah, I was about to say, I was impressed by that, but then I remembered some other impressive writings you had here... =)
Ursa (1617 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
@ Sicarius: where did you get this? It sounds like Lucifer's inaugural speech ascending on earth.
jnwilson (366 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
presbyterian
DrOct (219 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
Seriously Sicarius? Would it have been so much trouble to just add a citation?
DrOct (219 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
For those that are curious, it comes from here: http://anthropik.com/2005/08/thesis-5-humans-are-neither-good-nor-evil/
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
We should ban and sue Sicarius for piracy.
mckayje3 (301 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
and for writing something that long and expecting us to read it.
Invictus (240 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
And he even said he was tired of typing. Like it wasn't just a copy and paste. Apparently lying is also moral in his worldview.
Archonix (246 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Its just a statement against the concept of intellectual property. Did anyone think that it was coincidence that he also said this after pointing out the similarites between the ten commandments and the Egyptian book of the dead?
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
30 Oct 08 UTC
I think we've found a way to bring people of different religions together :-)
DrOct (219 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
@kestasjk - HA! Indeed!
Chrispminis (916 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Of course humans are neither good or evil, but corporations and the government are EVIL! ; )
valoishapsburg (314 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
Hold on, Sicarius obviously subscribes to the point of view that Government and Corporations are evil, but those are just large groups of people with a specific purpose. So, wouldnt they too be neutral?
DrOct (219 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
Honestly, I almost care less about the "plagiarism" involved, since it was immediately clear to everyone that these were not actually his words. But, it does seem only fair to credit the actual author, and more than that, it's nice to give people the option to actually see the source, read the full article, and see it in context. Some of us might actually be interested in reading the whole thing!

After searching for that passage and finding it at the above mentioned link, I actually read the article preceding it which I found quite interesting.
Sicarius (673 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
well if you're interested go to anthropik.com
then to the upper left on weblog
then click the thirty thesis

the whole concept of plagarism is absolutly ridiculous.
something doesnt belong to you just because you say it.
is MLK the only one allowed to say I have a dream?
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
30 Oct 08 UTC
Sicarius you chose a bad place to give that opinion. People have claimed to have written phpDiplomacy and duped others into donating money based on that premise, if you think there's nothing wrong with that then you've obviously never produced anything worth plagiarizing
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
30 Oct 08 UTC
(And by the way you're muddling up giving credit with copyright. The person who plagiarized phpDiplomacy had every right to use the code and I'm glad they did, but to act like it was their hard work is the obvious difference)
DrOct (219 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
@kestasjk - "And by the way you're muddling up giving credit with copyright."

Exactly why I put "plagiarism" in quotes earlier. I don't think Sicarius was actually trying to pass off that work as his own. At least I certainly hope not! I can't imagine anyone would mistake writing that clear, well thought out, and researched as a quickly put together forum posting by Sicarius (or really just about anyone).

But it does make sense to give credit, if nothing else just as a service to those who might be interested in it, and where it came from.
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
30 Oct 08 UTC
But was "Anyway I'm growing tired of typing. If I'm off base a bit I apologize, I must admit I hav not read every single post...." in the original essay? Or was he referring to ctrl+c & ctrl-v as typing :-P

Anyway nevermind, I just dont like seeing plagiarism defended
I'm pretty sure Sic would be more than pleased if everyone actually believed he wrote that.
DrOct (219 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
@Kestasjk - Perhaps you are correct, I had forgotten/missed that bit at the end. Maybe the intent was indeed to pass it off as his own work. There's no real way to know I suppose. Though to be fair to him, it was somewhat edited from the original work, and as soon as someone said something about plagiarism he didn't make any attempt to claim it was his own...
DrOct (219 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
Just realized my "somewhat edited" statement might imply that if you edit something you can get out of committing plagiarism, I simply meant that might have been what the "typing" was connected to. Though really most of it was clearly copy and pasted. Unless he actually hand typed all of it, rather than using copy and paste. But can't see why someone would do that.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Oct 08 UTC
"Excuse me? Catholic Europe a thousand years ago was hardly at peace... Many consider that time to be the most war mongering period in human history."

Let me clarify:

I was not implying Catholic Europe was a good place. That example referred to the previous sentence:

"Science alone would be catastrophic as a belief system, as would any other ONE system." As in a system unchallenged. I meant Catholic Europe was a catastrophe, lol.

I knew that I would be attacked by secularists and no theists. Even though I attacked both of you.

"Please, where are the fallacies in the evolution argument?"

Clearly you have willfully over looked a few things. First, ALL arguments have destablilizing fallacies. You can try to explain them away, but they always remain, nagging. Also, what I was specifically referring to was this: Creationists like to say "Well where did the Big Bang come from?" But the same thing applies to them: "Where did God come from?" My point in saying that is to say that no one knows on either count and I propose neither group is correct about our origins.

"It's objective, makes no value judgements, and is absolutely willing to correct itself in the face of conflicting evidence. This is not religion, this puts it a step above religion."

*Fundamentalist* religion you mean. Ever heard of sycretism?
Anyway, the reason I liken scientists to religionists is because of how pathetically tightly they cling to their beliefs. Not specific scientific theories (though they do cling to a few pretty tightly: big bang, evolution, plate tectonics, Newton's laws, relativity, so on, the big names), not specific theories, but to the scientific method. As if whoever developed the scientific method was God and the Method is His One True Word. Please. If it was concieved by humans, its always a little screwy. Science enables us to have technology, sure, but I think that is extent. We have a working knowledge, we can "fake it till we make it" enough to develop these things. But as for a deep intrensic, meaningful understanding of the universe, science gives us no such thing, although it claims to, just a religion might.

Renounce those ideas to which you cling so dearly! Embrace the truth, which is the absence of truth.


Renounce those ideas to which you cling so dearly! Embrace the truth, which is the absence of truth.
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Are you serious?!
spyman (424 D(G))
30 Oct 08 UTC
Thucydides , I might not be 100% what you mean by belief system, but I would say that even for atheist or scientists or whoever that science is never "alone" as a belief system. Science is the best method for finding out facts about the natural world. It doesn't tell you how to live you life or be happy - we have other belief systems for that, different philopsphies, and that doesn't have to mean religion.
Chrispminis (916 D)
30 Oct 08 UTC
"Let me clarify:

I was not implying Catholic Europe was a good place. That example referred to the previous sentence:

"Science alone would be catastrophic as a belief system, as would any other ONE system." As in a system unchallenged. I meant Catholic Europe was a catastrophe, lol.

I knew that I would be attacked by secularists and no theists. Even though I attacked both of you."

Alright, that's fair enough. I misunderstood.

Clearly you have willfully over looked a few things. First, ALL arguments have destablilizing fallacies. You can try to explain them away, but they always remain, nagging. Also, what I was specifically referring to was this: Creationists like to say "Well where did the Big Bang come from?" But the same thing applies to them: "Where did God come from?" My point in saying that is to say that no one knows on either count and I propose neither group is correct about our origins.

Well perhaps we don't know the root cause of the Big Bang, but at least we can give evidence as to why we have such a theory. As in, due to the redshift found in the light of distant stars we have found the universe to be expanding, and we may postulate that it has always been expanding and once started at a state of infinite density as we've observed similar states in the form of black holes. Of course, that's drastically simplified, but science offers the evidence to back up the theory of the Big Bang. It's not that science has a destabilizing fallacy, it's that much of science is based on inductive logic, and the scientific method was created to address the fact that theories could only address reality to certain degrees of accuracy, though we have a much higher degree of accuracy now than we did before. It is quite possible that science does not currently offer the ultimate answer to our origins, but that does not mean it should be abandoned. Science builds upon itself, and perhaps some day it will be discovered, but can you see that science is far more likely to discover this answer than religion? That is, if there is an answer.

"

*Fundamentalist* religion you mean. Ever heard of sycretism?
Anyway, the reason I liken scientists to religionists is because of how pathetically tightly they cling to their beliefs. Not specific scientific theories (though they do cling to a few pretty tightly: big bang, evolution, plate tectonics, Newton's laws, relativity, so on, the big names), not specific theories, but to the scientific method. As if whoever developed the scientific method was God and the Method is His One True Word. Please. If it was concieved by humans, its always a little screwy. Science enables us to have technology, sure, but I think that is extent. We have a working knowledge, we can "fake it till we make it" enough to develop these things. But as for a deep intrensic, meaningful understanding of the universe, science gives us no such thing, although it claims to, just a religion might."

Sycretism? Do you mean syncretism? If not, then no. And I don't just mean fundamentalist religion. I mean religion in general. Religion is all about making value judgements, which is why people claim that it is the foundation of our morality. Religion tells you what you should and shouldn't do depending on what sect you follow, science does not. It tells you what is, and what isn't, and leaves the related value judgement up to you. Perhaps that's why people say that science is unethical...

How would you go about searching for so called deep intrinsic, meaningful understand of the universe? The scientific method isn't a claim to the answer to such meaning, but rather it's a method proposed to discover such meaning. The scientific method is a very successful method by which we can explore and discover the physical world. One can claim that true meaningful understanding of the universe requires us to look beyond the physical world, but practically speaking, we can't look beyond the physical world. We can brainstorm as much as we want as to what lies beyond, but they are all equally valid and invalid and as what lies beyond has no bearing on what happens here or how things happen here, then why should we let equally ludicrous concepts determine value judgements on how we should lead our lives? Just as live within the physical world, the scientific method is only concerned with the physical because beyond that is unknowable so is not worth our short lives. The fact remains that science has uncovered many interesting laws that seem to govern almost all we can observe in the physical world, and through this knowledge we have technology and understanding of the physical world in which we reside.

We don't fake it till we make it to develop these things. Science is far more advanced than technology. Technology is ever lagging behind the great ideas of great minds. The simple fact is that science has given us great capabilities. One can still accept the bounty of science while still realizing that the world in which we live is perhaps superficial and we can never know true transcendental truth. The search for truth is still a noble one, even if ultimately futile, and it's a cop out to sit back and reap the rewards of science but claim that there is no knowable truth, because in the end, we don't know if there is a truth or not, all other considerations are moot.

We can't mire ourselves in epistemological doubt, because that's no practical way to live.

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warsprite (152 D)
06 Nov 08 UTC
No one has supported my suggestion.
I thought by now there would have been a rush of Obama supporters backing my ideal. Perhaps I should have used the figures aoe3rules stated. That would hve been more appealing to them. Per there just hung over.
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gryncat (2606 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
Moderate bet, good game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6610

Should make for a nice pot. Looking for players, preferably ones who are civil over press.
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DrOct (219 D(B))
07 Nov 08 UTC
Yet another Rules Question
Yet another question about support that I think I know the answer too...

(see below)
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Invictus (240 D)
05 Nov 08 UTC
Is Obama Really President Elect, Or Is It Not Official Till The Electoral College Meets?
Well, is it?
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paulg (358 D)
06 Nov 08 UTC
How reliable is the timing of the end of phase
If I want to give someone some information about 30 seconds before so that they won't have time to change their moves.
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lazysummer8484 (0 DX)
07 Nov 08 UTC
Quick Question
this is hard to explain so I'll use an example:
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
Too Much Russia
I know its random but seriously...
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SteadyBuffalo (100 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
New Game!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6611
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youradhere (1345 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
What on earth....
Can someone please explain to me what's going on in this game...
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6028
It says that Junior21 won, despite the fact that he only has 3 centers...
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Fuller (312 D)
07 Nov 08 UTC
Unable to break a convoy
Hi, in my game "Game of Thrones," I attacked a French fleet in the English Channel while that fleet was attempting to convoy an army into England. However, my attack on the fleet did not break the convoy - shouldn't it have?
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warsprite (152 D)
05 Nov 08 UTC
In celebration of Obama's victory.
I propose that the top 10% of the players with the most points have 95% of there points be given to the 45%players with the lowest 45%.
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thewonderllama (100 D)
01 Nov 08 UTC
All registrants for GFDT 2008, PLEASE READ
My computer just took a dump and when it came back up, my database of registrants was completely gone. That means if you registered before today (Saturday, November 1st) before 2:54 PM CDT (19:54 UTC), I no longer have your registration information and you'll need to re-register. I've already made changes to the registration script to have it save a backup copy remotely, so this won't happen again.

I'm really sorry about the trouble this causes anyone.
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TheMasterGamer (3491 D)
05 Nov 08 UTC
Percentages
Would it be possible or desired to have the percentages for a player to NOT include the currently being played games?
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Richard (100 D)
06 Nov 08 UTC
join game quick
i want to play
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spyman (424 D(G))
06 Nov 08 UTC
Has anyone ever played a game where nobody has gone CD?
I have been playing both here and on Facebook, in total I have played or am currently playing 10 games. I haven't a single game yet where no-one went CD.
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
02 Nov 08 UTC
The Ghost Ratings List (Experienced)
For players who have played 8 games or more, so have accurate ratings.
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Gannon12 (2936 D)
06 Nov 08 UTC
Help me Kestas-Reactivating 'Alfa' 's account
My friend and I played Diplomacy on here frequestionly last year. I have recently gotten back into playing and he wants to return as well. Unfortunately his account, 'Alfa' would not respond to his password.

Could you please provide some clarification and help in restoring/getting access his account.
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Pandarsenic (1485 D)
06 Nov 08 UTC
So I wasn't paying attention and, uh, accidentally MADE A GAME. X_X
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6601
Can this thing get PEWPEW'd out of existence, please? D:
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jenspo (1242 D)
05 Nov 08 UTC
Fast Gunboat game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6594

No Diplomacy allowed. No Press Allowed. Global Forum should only be used for coordinating Pause, and other meta game stuff.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
02 Nov 08 UTC
Players from the diplomacy nations?
I'm interested in trying to play a game with people representing their own nations. I am English, and am hoping to find 6 others to join me in the game. How to arrange that we all get the right countries is a question, but if needed i'll open up signups on my server. Having said that, I don't know how long it will take me to find the required players.
Any volunteers?
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Mick (630 D)
05 Nov 08 UTC
Rules query about convoys
This is probably a very basic question for the experts on the boards. This is the scenario. A fleet in the North Sea is convoying an army from Yorkshire to Norway (which is unoccupied). The North Sea fleet is attacked by an enemy fleet from Holland, but is not dislodged from the North Sea. Will the army succesfully arrive in Norway?
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
04 Nov 08 UTC
Any interest in a game for Deadheads?
<follows>

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