The think about double crossing people in public press is that every one knows exactly what you did. Ghug' already marked himself out as deceitful here. Trust him at your peril

As for you Prado, you're just making a serious mistake in attacking me

Yetg another reminder, ghug is not Germany. That is all!

Lol Prado's a moron I'm Germany though.

Like I guess if his goal was undermining my attempts at southern stagnation by being bad, go him.

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That is an unfair assessment ghug. Turkey is not being bad, just ultra conservative in his moves. I must admit I was not expecting the order for Con though. That choice surprised me.

But if we are considering criticism for conservative play, the North Sea was yours. You had the option for an army in Edi by the end of this year, but you went for the predictable, if somewhat boring Sweden choice.

Turkey thank you for extending your support and the hand of friendship.
Russia thank you for not moving to Galicia.
Italy I offer you no thanks for your choice of moves. For you, I have no thanks to give.

For the love of god England, stop attacking me. Try to use some foresight. Germany has the option to get one build and take the North Sea, or get two builds this year. You will again get 0.

How will this end well for you in the long run?

ghug saying that Germany is pretty set seems like quite the understatement. Germany will probably get multiple builds this year. Unless Sweden is supported by England, which seems unlikely.

Germany can also easily force into Burgundy if he wants. And England has the luxury of either forcing into MAO, or moving at Brest. So Tom, if you are France, good luck.

Seriously, England. Wake up. Germany is exploding and you're spreading your legs this is a guy who is super untrustworthy.

Austria, and thoughts on killing turkey? Prado is kind of single minded

I'm not Turkey. I have no idea how to play off that move. I think ghug and I both expected Bul-Rum and Con S Ank-Bla, especially because of how fast Turkey readied up and because there was no way Austria would force Bul.

Which basically means Turkey has no one left to negotiate for them :)

I am Turkey.

just kidding of course...I'm still France.

I am excited for the game to end and find out who everyone truly is. I mean not so excited that I will take steps to prematurely end it. But there has been a lot of misinformation in this game.

What is everyone's guess on how many players do not read the forums at all and just think that they are in a regular gunboat game? 1.5?

Ogion, it is difficult for me to commit many of my units to the Russian cause right now because Italy appears implacable. I hope that you will continue to support nonaggression between us during this troubled time.

Ogion:

If Turkey kept doing what I'd expected, you wouldn't be in the position to issue that kind of threat ;)

jenga:

I don't think Turkey is reading.

France (Tom), good luck in the upcoming turn. Germany can force Burgundy. England can force MAO or move at Brest with support.

England, are you hoping to be an ally of Germany or do you just want to be his vassal? Because your actions appear to suggest that you would be ok with Germany taking the entire north.

Italy find something better to do with your units. This is tying up both of us for no gain.

Turkey. Well I would just like to see a representative from Turkey. If one show's up, my advice is to do something productive with Con.

And Germany, you do not need any advice. You are doing great.

I guess I can be Turkey and Germany then.

England, don't listen to their fearmongering. I'm in a better spot right now, but I'm player who likes an ally, not one to go it alone from 1902. Quick growth is important early, but we can start to make evening things out a priority.

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Like this ghug?

I worked with England for years, yes.

Sure. But I can't help but notice how you really made "evening things out a priority" as you consistently held a 2 center advantage throughout.

That was by meme's design as much as mine. It's also not why I won.

Sure it isn't. I can't see at all how your consistent advantage over you ally led to you soloing and not him.

In any case, ENG - take heed. This is not a path you want to go down.

The drama has escalated. We should get captainmeme in this thread to share his perspective. Perhaps even Valis as well. Really get a good Rashomon thing going.

ghug is too good a player to allow a 2 center advantage in an alliance. (lets see where flattery gets me.)

I prefer gunboat games, so I'm getting a kick out of you all trying to make suggestions for my great power's moves.

I disagree, Turkey is being bad. Like, what was that!? You just let Russia walk onto your front lawn uncontested? Supporting against Austria when I said I was going to tie up ALL of his units for you? Russia, once you easily sweep Turkey, I hope we can finish off Austria together. For the time being, my stalemate with him will continue.

I soloed that game because I stabbed. He almost certainly would have soloed had he stabbed instead.

I'm not going to go into why we had a center differential if it's not obvious, as a discussion of my overarching strategies would probably impede EG progress in this game, but it was the best thing for our alliance for most of the game. If England wants equality here, he'll have it. St.P is his next year, as is Brest most likely. I don't see myself taking other centers before he gets those.