to clarify zorclex I felt that when you said my posts were all crap and that I filled pages with crap for you to have to read, yes that was an attack. mainly because you were freaking scum that game. So for one its a lie, you werent worried about keeping up with the thread. I was pressuring the hell out of you that game.

Your play is way different this game. again I will give you that. its much more vocal than the last 2, and you dont seem nearly as phased by my pressure this time.

##Vote Xorxes
because of my reasons stated above.

@BB "Chainsawwing is when you discredit a player to protect a scum buddy (RagingIke) you both did it."
Who did I discredit besides possibly you for derailing my attempt to be helpful?

Now days everybody wanna talk
Like they got somethin to say, but nothin comes out
When they movin their lips, just a bunch of gibberish
And the motha f***as act like they forgot about Dre.

Dibs on being Eminem this game.

You claimed the quality of the mafia,games since M15 have specifically gone downhill because of me. It was at a time where I was pressuring you.

Right afterward I put in all seriousness...

Did you umm... conclude anything at all from your reaction tests?

You asked me what my native language was on pg.4 is that not discrediting to me?

No, I didn't, thanks for that

@Xorxes there is some history you're unaware of. There was a game of Discord Mafia where Chaqa lurked for basically the entire game until we were in LYLO. I called him out for it the entire game, and I'm still pissed about how he played.

A few comments to make on what you just said:
1) I don't think that's what you were doing, but saying or implying that I'm scum because I made jokes is an awful case. I was able to be here at the start of the game. that doesn't make me scum

2) Thank you for telling me all the stuff you think I did. No, I didn't "float around votes irresponsibly looking for something that sticks". I made some jokes, and unvoted when things got more serious.

3) I'm not belittling you. Despite what you may think, I'm not trying to discredit you or krellin. I'm saying that you're spammers, and that trait annoys me somewhat. I also said that in the last few games, I had to dig through a ton of your posts, many of which weren't very good, some of which were, to get to any actual point. Calling you a spammer is saying that the way you post is annoying, not that you're a bad player.

4) Wrong. I did actually care about reading the thread, which is why I was absent for so long in M23. I honestly was trying to catch up. I eventually gave up and tried to stay current, which didn't work out so well and I ended up getting killed anyway.

@Ike that was copy paste error from kakarroto's post. IF you go back and look it was by accident.

Uugh. I also fall behind because I type slowly.

@BB, so it was. I know writing isn't my strong suit, but if you were going to start criticizing me, I was going to throw some light punches back and see if you kept going. Glad that is cleared up...

Wait, did Glen just say that he had nothing to say and then leave? I don't think that counts. ##Vote Glen until he actually participates.

So when people start counting posts it makes me nervous. Sometimes scum try to frame ‘scumhunting’ by providing lists of people who have frequently posted, etc. I’ve seen it more than once.

Brainbomb counts his posts and compares them zorclex on Page 8.

Zorclex then creates a false argument by stating that, “You put up a thousand messages” which is untrue. This is in reference to Brainbomb and on Page 8.
Zorclex then admits to have ‘spammed’ the game at the ‘beginning’ on Page 8.

I just wanted to air my thoughts on these two players. 1) I don’t find it constructive to count posts. I find it to be the equivalent of false scum hunting. In general, one of my posts is easily 1000x greater than most posts. 2) I find Zorclex’s play thus far to be odd. On Page 8 we see Zorclex try to attribute a false narrative to Brainbomb. Zorclex also caught my attention in the early pages as well. Here are some examples of strange play:

1) Zorclex’s frequent votes on page 3. Every other post basically. These are NOT votes intended to draw a reaction because if you look at the time stamps they are about 5 minutes or so apart. Not enough time to draw a conversation or test a reaction from a player.
2) Takes interest in why others are voting Vecna, but he has himself jumped from Krellin-Vecna-Kakarroto all on Page 3. To me, this looks like information farming.
3) Votes Chaqa for out of game reasons, “I want payback for last game.” (Page 5) So, again, another vote and this one for out of game, invalid, reasons. Comments on this by saying, “ I'm somewhat arbitrarily blaming you for getting me lynched last game. It's easier than blaming my bad play and inexperience.” (Page 6) Thus, he defends an out of game vote by further reinforcing the notion that he is voting a player based on a previous game experience. Furthermore, he tries to mold an impression that he is bad and inexperienced.
4) On Page 7, at least an hour later, he states that he voted Chaqa for a joke reason, but hasn’t changed it yet. Then he unvotes. This could possibly be someone joking around on pp. 6-7 or a scum dredging up old games because he has nothing to contribute to this game.
5) Also Zorclex deliberately seems to be playing aggressively with Brainbomb. Something to keep watching for sure.
6) Most recent Zorclex post on Page 9 again votes for someone for a very weak reason.

Sum, Zorclex has made a bunch of posts, hasn’t contributed much, voted a lot of people with no signs of rxn testing, and usually for meta or minor reasons. There seems to be little reasoning associated with this player.

##VOTE ZORCLEX

In general, one of my posts is easily 1000x greater than most posts.

Lololol

Laugh all you want.

Oh, ND is in this game? Goddamn, I'm gonna need to read a ton of shit between him and bb and krellin.

Chaqa (2790 D (B))
11:02 PM
+1
"Oh, ND is in this game? Goddamn, I'm gonna need to read a ton of shit between him and bb and krellin."

Why do you "need" to read it all? I didnt think you respected our opinions enough to really care either way. Why do you suddenly care about any of the 3 of us?

Chaqa have you ever actually read thru my posts in a mafia game.

Most of them

Is anyone bothered by guaks change in playstyle? doesnt he make a habit of posting early as town lately? why would he change that meta?

I like the case, for the most part.

Another few points to make:

1) I was referencing some of the last games, where brainbomb posted a lot, and in my opinion, excessively. I wasn't saying that he had posted a literal thousand posts, in this game or any other, just that he posts more times than in necessary.
2) I agree with you, counting the strait up number of posts does tend to be useless. Please note who actually did the counting, and see that it was not me.
3) Can you show me where I attributed the false narrative? I don't think I did that. Not intentionally, anyways.
4) No, probably not enough time to get a reaction. But my intention was to make a joke, not get info at that point. That one's on me.
5) Isn't... isn't information gathering what town does? How does one help town without getting info?
6) *Jokevotes. I jokevoted Chaqa for out of game reasons. You evidently misspelled that one. Because I've only reiterated that point, what, four times already? Five? Let me do it again: I JOKEVOTED CHAQA. Yes, it was an invalid reason, just like the rest of the reasons people threw out for their jokevotes. And no, I didn't take up the extra space to unvote or change my vote, because things started getting more serious.
7) Mold an impression that I'm bad and inexperienced? I'm sorry, have we played together yet? If not, you might wan to go back and look at my play. I *am* bad and inexperienced, especially int he past two games. I appreciate that you think I though ahead enough to do something like that, but I was mostly being honest and critical of my own play.
8) I don't like the was BB posts, and I said so. He got aggressive, and I responded in kind. He and I have somewhat of a history, and it seeped over from previous games from both sides. It happens.
9) A weak reason that's gotten results in the past. I'll take my vote off of him if/when he comes back, but for now he need to contribute more.
10) "Zorclex has made a bunch of posts, hasn’t contributed much" for a guy who hardcore anchored and then came back hours later guns blazing at a guy who has historically been an easy target, I'd say you're one to talk. And how have I not contributed? No, I haven't made any earth changing revelations, but I've helped the discussion, I got you to come out of hiding, apparently, and at the very least got some of you talking. No reason associating with me? Sure. Go ahead. Don't associate.

So yeah. There you go. a point-by-point response to what you've said. Thanks for case, it means a lot.

@BB: I'm asking you because you were the one who brought it up: has anyone ever actually been caught because of meta? And if so, when?

anytime you note a behavioral change, subtle or dramatic, it is worth talking about. I dont wanna rely on meta exclusively. However vash gets lynched as scum all the time because his scum meta is bloody awful. sorry Gm.

So pretty much never. Good to know.
Really? What's his scum meta?

@Zorclex: Your response is about what I expected. In point 2) you say, “Please note who actually did the counting, and see that it was not me.” Did I ever attribute this to you? Refer to my post please and read. 3) Not intentional. Huh. You call a player a spammer and frame him as posting thousands of comments and then say it’s not intentional. Okay that’s weird. 4) Intention to make a joke. Okay. 6) Jokevoting. Okay. 7) Bad and inexperienced. Okay, so another attempt to frame yourself one way and get others to lower their expectations of you as a player. Classic scum tactic. 10) Hiding/Talking. Okay. More character assassination.

About what I expected.

Classic Scum.

@ND, you're assigning scum motives to everything Zorclex said, and then saying he's scum.

@ND if you instead looked at what he did as a townie making a joke, you could easily argue he's town as well.