brainbomb I mean

@Brainb: I could get behind this, as long as there's decent reason behind the lynch. Also, I'll need to hear something from Bo before I change my vote.

It does seem more valuable to kill a lurker and/or wagonjumper, to me. They're the ones who have something to hide.

@Guak: Could you explain how Brainbomb claimed Mafia PR? I re-read his message twice, but couldn't find it. He says Balki might be Mafia PR. That's all I see. Care to elaborate?

Here are my top 5 lynch options:

5. Bo - he wants to die, or hes town. either way its cool to lynch today or tomorrow.
4. xorxes - he seemed very nervous at the early going about killing cult or masons. afraid he would be converted...?
3. ghug - hes moved down a bit because he defended all of my arguments
2. vash - I think Vash is a town PR
1. chaqa - Chaqa is either a cult, a mason, or a town PR, he planted a vote on bo's wagon and anchored.

@ guak: Not every traitor will be recruited in all likelihood, so it makes sense for traitors to play according to their *current* victory condition, surely?

'Im way more interested in getting a town PR than I am in getting a cult. the cult are 2/19 the town are 5/19. our odds are better in hunting town. Even if we dont hit a mason there is tremendous value in killing the vig or QM for us.'

This statement is only true if brainbomb is a mafia PR. A traitor does not see tremendous value in killing the vig or quartermaster at this point in the game.

@Jamiet: Very correct. Also, that's the rules.

@ guak - as Claesar just referenced, Rule 7.

@Guak: I see the value as well. I'd love to lynch a Town PR today.

@Jamie: yes, but at this point the traitors would be more concerned with getting rid of the cultists and mason to ensure their victory condition remain the same. Other town power roles are and should not be a major concern for traitors at this point.

Not true guak. For every town PR that dies its one less traitor that dies. and one step closer to victory. The vig can kill off our people every night. the QM can gun town and kill off our people rapidly. In tandem we could be losing two Maf a day before factoring in lynch. Every traitor should want us to kill the vig and QM ASAP

@ guak: If that analysis is true, then does your "what about the others" comment indicate a breadcrumb that you're *not* a traitor?

Also, under Rule 7 masons and cultists have more value than other town PRs for traitors. THey get the traitors closer to meeting their current victory condition.

@Claesar, that only tells me you are not a traitor or town.

@Jamie: I have not claimed anything, though you can think whatever you want. I have only pointed out that calling all town as masons is not only confusing but a huge mistake.

Actually tonight alone the vig can kill 2 maf members. if the QM guns successfully thats another mafia member. plus conversions. Tonight will be a bloodbath. The fact you are fishing me as a mafia PR for these statements tell me "You" arent concerned at all.

##Vote guak

PR is this game is just weird, they can be converted, so nothing stays permanent. the way i see it, only 3 faction stands, cult, mason and mafia. Mafia getting a huge advantage of having traitors. i would say Vanilla town PR is weakest, they have no private chat and can be converted.
so strange
so technically, most of us will be fighting for mafia instead of town, and town acts like vanilla mafia just without knowing their partners and limited bullets ? lol
do correct me if i'm wrong

##VOTE GUAK

@brainbomb: town PRs will be trying to target other PRs, not traitors. And traitors should not care about dying as long as they are destroying masons and cultists.

You are both retards. Go ahead and waste your votes.

i reiterate again how no one should be claiming traitor

You just encouraged the traitors to focus on a option yielding smaller odds of success, and additionally are fishing for PR's. Traitors should be thrilled to see any Town PR flip.

Maniac: "Whilst I'm still holding off from voting the obvious vote right now would be OB_Gyn-kenobi. If I were a Mason I'd be keen to kill a cult leader."

Maniac, since at this time both Town (incl masons) and Mafia are, IMO, equally incentivized to kill a cult leader, your logic that I must be a mason because I am eager to lynch a cult leader is flawed. Tomorrow it might not be flawed logic, but in the current game state it is. There are two alignments that anyone could be if they want a cult leader lynched and the chance of that player being Mafia-aligned is about 71%, which far exceeds the chance that that player is town-aligned.

@brainbomb: saying I am not concerned at all and voting to lynch me is clearly the action of a vindictive mafia PR. You should know what me being not concerned at all means. But apparently the simple concepts escape you.

You have jeopardized our cause with these comments.

That is because it is not his cause, brainbomb. My vote is staying put on guak.

Also, you are lying about the odds. The odds of lynching mason or PR are 4/19 while 3/19 for other town PRs. So the odds of success are actually smaller going after what you propose than after what I propose.

I disagree with Guak's logic, but I don't see how that makes him a lynch target..

Well, I'll be back in a few hours to try to restore the sanity..

5 Town:
2x Masons
1x Tracker
1x Quartermaster
1x Vigilante


thats 5/19 not 4/19

Who are you trying to confuse?

my puny brain can't comprehend this funny arguement :P