Actually, as a Mason it would be tactically better to lynch a Mafia PR as you can't Mason them. Cult Leaders can be removed (and half the cult with them) easily in the night.. I can see where your reasoning is going and it might have some truth in it, but I disagree with the specifics.

i have no argument against ghug. i have no argument against anyone. i don't understand any of the arguments people are making that show someone is cult/town or what not.

i guess my biggest red flag on ghug is calling balki "uclabbian" as if that's a point against him

While we're on the subject of lurkers, let's not keep them mystical and unnamed..

My lurker leaderboard:
1) Xorxes : I haven't seen anything but a vote based on some old grudge, which isn't useful to me or pertaining to this game.
2) Chaqa : Came in, jumped on a wagon and rode off.
3) CaptainMeme: Jumped on a wagon and barely contributed. I expect more.

Vecna, HR and Jamiet are not on my list until 24 hours have passed. I'd rather see someone unable to post due to time constraints, than someone reading every post but not contributing in a meaningful way.
There's still plenty of time though. Also, there are more people who should look in the mirror and wonder whether they are bringing enough..

Right, I'm here, sorry for the delay. Been busy.

## VOTE BO_SOX

is there a reason people feel like they need to join a wagon right now? I'm suspicious of wagon voters.

I'm not joining a wagon. Bo heavily townslipped and, as a vanilla traitor, it is in my interests to KILL HIM.

someone help me and highlight the townslip? copy it or point me to a page?

Okay. The bo thing makes no sense. Did he really think that 5 town were the good guys? All it takes was to read the setup and the setup thread to see the countless comments. Bo continued to drive home this typo and refer to the traitors as if it were someone else.

It tells me he doesnt care if he dies. this is a very traitor-like act. his lynch mob feels driven the same way it was in M15. When and if Bo flips as traitor what then?
##Vote Chaqa He joined that wagon and vanished.

@ y2kjbk: It was on page 3 when bo said:

"Your idea to hammer day 1 has merit because there's so many mafia . That said, I don't want to get traitors - they're useless. I want to get the mafia PRs and cultists."

i found it, page 3. ##VOTE bo_sox

@claesar - I take your point but if OB were a mason looking to lynch cult leader it would give their team a big advantage as they could then narrow down the other cult leader and target them at night leaving them with a great chance of winning.

glad to see meme has reclaimed his top lurker spot

Have we reduced this game down to mason vs cultists vs mafia? what of everyone else?

Also, I am pretty sure most people here would be equally happy with a mason or cultist death.

So, while Cleasar is technically right, Maniac is also right when he says that wanting the cultist dead is a town tell. The mistake is thinking OB is a mason for it.

What do you mean "everyone else", guak? There are three teams. Who "else" is there?

Its interesting because is there a viable strategy in fake claiming to be town to get yourself gunned by the QM?

tracker quartermaster and vigilante are not masons. And they are not exactly as valuable targets as masons I could argue

They are not masons but they're on the same team, no?

Im way more interested in getting a town PR than I am in getting a cult. the cult are 2/19 the town are 5/19. our odds are better in hunting town. Even if we dont hit a mason there is tremendous value in killing the vig or QM for us. Which is why I still stand by the assertion that Vash or ghug are a town PR.
Balki may be cult or he may even be a mafia PR so lynching his is a terrible idea. Bo is likely just playing around with everyone, and even if he ISNT, there is plenty of time to kill his ass tomorrow with a lynch. m a big proponent of lynch outside the obvious until we have to lynch the obvious.

Plus, traitors are essentially a wild card at this point. They could be any of the three teams so they have no allegiance whatsoever (slight allegiance to mafia, but without knowing who the mafia is, it is worthless) and are all very happy with random lynches. So OB saying random lynch is a cult-tell is BS.

Alright, so brainbomb just claimed mafia. Good job dude.

I have been claiming traitor all game...

I don't agree with you, guak. The traitors have much more than a "slight" affiliation with the mafia - they are part of the mafia team and they share their victory condition.

mafia power role I mean

@jamie: only until they are converted. Then their win condition changes.

I have also already told you I'm a traitor.

why would you do that