Yea but It wasnt about him. It reminded me that I loved her. And reminded me that she was a really great person.

Emotional and personal are two different things. I can be emotionally touched if I see that something bad happened on the news. In the same way, I can easily imagine that someone can be emotionally touched if people are generally vile on the internet, even towards them, because they see it as 'bad news': there are evil people on the world or they are generally not accepted, whatever. This notion makes them feel bad.

What I have trouble imagining is that you feel personally offended if I say your mother is a cow, for instance. I have trouble imagining this because A) you know your mother is not a cow and B) you know that I know nothing about your mother so you know that I'm just saying stuff.
Maybe a cow is a bad example, but the point is that I have trouble imagining people being offended by insults which are picked for no particular reason, as evidenced by the fact that someone doesn't know enough about someone else to come up with an insult that might actually hold true.
It's an entirely different story if you start telling things about yourself. If krellin would've meaningfully insulted brainbomb on the basis of brainbomb being an artist, fond of alcohol or crazy in love, in a way that brainbomb might think 'shit, he might be right', then I understand if brainbomb feels personally offended.

That said, I'm absolutely positive that people can get personally offended by someone saying something about someone they don't know shit about. I just don't *get* it. It seems irrational to me. I am 100% positive that this is a shortcoming in my understanding of humans. My post was merely meant as an observation of behaviour that I can't grasp.

I just refreshed and as brainbomb mentions, reminding someone of something is another thing that falls in the category of emotion, but I wouldn't consider it personally offensive. Again, krellin lacked knowledge about brainbomb's girlfriend and brainbomb was fully aware of this lack of knowledge, hence brainbomb could easily determine that it was just words thrown at him with purpose, but not with sincere meaning.

Thats just what I think krellin was. He was never actually attacking people, he made a point of knowing and memorizing very little about webdippers in fact. Ask DO..

Who is DO?

Demon Overlord

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"It reminded me that I loved her. And reminded me that she was a really great person."
It didn't also remind you that krellin is a shallow, shameless bugger who deserves the zero sympathy he metes out?

"It's an entirely different story if you start telling things about yourself. If krellin would've meaningfully insulted brainbomb on the basis of brainbomb being an artist, fond of alcohol or crazy in love, in a way that brainbomb might think 'shit, he might be right', then I understand if brainbomb feels personally offended."

Who are you lecturing to, steephie22? The whore girlfriend comment was brought up by brainbomb, not me. SantaClausowitz gives us an example of why people hated and were offended by krellin:
"When I was unemployed, I came on here to ask advice. Krellin pretty much told me I was useless, lazy and might as well go kill myself."

I am quite sure krellin wanted him to kill himself.

@ jamiet99uk I have a slightly different recollections of the way the PPSC discussions ended than the way you have described it. The discussions ended when we ( those who wanted PPSC kept as a non default option ) were, I believe, promised by ATC that in exchange for us ceasing our protests at the time DSS & SoS were introduced and PPSC removed, that after a undefined period of time, when the Almighty Mods ( and players ) could see how the two new scoring systems DSS and SoS were going, that they would initiate a "follow up" discussion about DSS and SoS and also about bringing PPSC back as an option.
That's how I remember the PPSC "protest" being resolved at the time.
A cynical sceptical chap might suggest that this won't happen, that there will not be the discussion we were ( I believe ) promised. But I say lets be patient and wait. I haven't forgotten about it.

@ MajorMitchell: I'm sorry but you must have missed the point when I asked, repeatedly for the "findings" and "consultation" and was told in no uncertain terms that PPSC would not be brought back, ever, end of story.

MM: we did do the analysis. It's in the thread titled "webDiplomacy is doing fine", where I looked at the numbers of active games in various configurations. We demonstrated that the loss of PPSC had no negative impact on the number of games played.

@ ATC: So in other words you determined that because people who didn't want to lose PPSC hadn't quit the site in a mass exodus, their views didn't matter.

Great.

Jamie, be careful. If you upset the mods enougg they might send you to monster island with krellin. (Luckily its only a peninsula)

If upsetting me was bannable there'd be no one left :^) XD kappa

Valis released giant weebs on the island.

A_Tin_Can: Number of games played was never our complaint.

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If you all sign the petition to bring back krellin I will become the veritable Great John Umber of the PPSC crusade.

who is john umber or the ppsc and why would anyone care?

brainbomb: "I am quite sure krellin wanted him to kill himself."

I would lecture you on compassion too, but I suspect you're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

@ ATC, or the other mods who know,
I'd be interested in reading the analysis of SoS/SWS. I did a google search of the thread title "webDiplomacy is doing fine" and couldn't find it. Could you link the thread ID, please?

waht is Stockholm Syndrome and why would anyone care?

CAPT Brad: PPSC was the default webDiplomacy points scoring system for years. It followed rulebook rules in that points were divided evenly between players in the event of a draw; a winner would claim 9/17 of the pot and losers would claim a proportion of points based on their SC-count at the end of the game (points per supply center). We care for a variety of incentive and rulebook-based reasons.

CAPT Brad: Stockholm Syndrome has a Wikipedia article. You can read why people care here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

thanks for the scoring system update and i see your point there. as for the SS, i know of that too and ask again, why would anyone care?

You say a lot of things that no one would care about, Brad.

CAPT Brad: Hence why I didn't paste the URL for Stockholm Syndrome. ;-)

I'm not particularly interested in going over the PPSC vs everything else debate again.

We promised we'd confirm that no harm was done to the site with the change. We did that.

It's true that you *can* interpret the rulebook as supporting PPSC, since there's no mention of whether or not the losers get points.

However, a far more common interpretation of the rulebook is DSS, which we do support. Critically, the face-to-face community, which has been around for a long time, do not have anything like PPSC.

PPSC is still available on vDiplomacy, where you can find unusual variants. I can count on one hand the number of people who complained that PPSC was their favourite variant, so it seems right to put it over on vDiplomacy.

We don't intend to bring PPSC back. Let's put this to bed, please.