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wjessop (100 DX)
18 Nov 15 UTC
ADVERTISE YOUR BUSINESS IDEAS AND POTENTIAL INVENTIONS HERE
This is the thread for all business ideas and potential inventions, or concepts and proposals of such.

All ideas welcome.
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wjessop (100 DX)
13 Nov 15 UTC
Paris Terrorist Attack, November 2015
Paris shootings: Casualties in city centre and explosion at Stade de France

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203
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fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
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@orathiac
Wrong on an international scale the problem of militant Islam dwarfs that of militant Buddhism in any way that you would like to measure it.
''Let the Muslims deal with their own militants.''

I should like to say, however, that this sentence of yours is one that I absolutely concur with. For example, in the case of Luton, Bradford, Tower Hamlets etc.., I would just add with help as and when needed.
I would go further and say that our only hope of avoiding multiple Paris-type incidents, and worse, is if the Muslim community itself pro-actively engaged with the problem. Unfortunately, I see little sign of this happening as yet, let's hope things improve.

I am not sure who said that last quote you refer to - it wasn't me. However, in my view, we cannot have any genuine empathy with the likes of ISIS and militant Islam in general any more than we could have with those of National Socialism.
We need to stand with, for example this guy http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-the-survey-of-british-muslim-attitudes-is-so-profoundly-disconcerting-10070358.html
He closes with this: ‘’Beyond this, we must break this trend by pushing back against underlying narratives. This will require not just the voice of Muslims, but the whole of civil society standing in solidarity with those Muslims who are brave enough to challenge extremists in their midst. Islam is an idea: like other ideas, it must be open to scrutiny. But supporting secularism and challenging Islamism is not fighting “Islam”. It is moving from extremism to liberal pluralism. By neglecting to challenge extremist views, we will only increase anti-Muslim bigotry.
This is what happens when you ignore Islamist ideology. It’s time for a wakeup call.’’
diplomat61 (223 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
@Fulhamish. Interesting comparison to Great War settlement. Sadly, with the second Gulf War, I think that we have already passed the Versailles equivalent.
fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
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And also we need to stand with, for example, this Labour MP- John Woodcock - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6C3YpQaaEg

And very much against this one - Dianne Abbot- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_LKwMJnT1g
diplomat61 (223 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
@Orathaic
"Thus it is your duty to criticise what you see as evil done in your name, by your democracy. Let the Muslims deal with their own militants. "

I agree that as a citizen you should criticise evil actions taken in your name. However, all governments should be seeking to deal with militants resident there, whatever their stripe.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
16 Nov 15 UTC
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"Wrong on an international scale the problem of militant Islam dwarfs that of militant Buddhism in any way that you would like to measure it."

And American/French Militarism dwarfs militant Islam... Just because it is state sponsored, doesn't automatically make it right.

But yes, empathise not with the Islamic terrorist, empathise with your Muslim neighbours. Invite them to dinner, be part of their community. Celebrate your differences.

Also this: https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/RN2yx54bxPa
fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
@orathaic
I am afraid that we are past the platitudes of multi-culturalism. Yes be all means share a curry and talk about how chicken tikka masala was invented in the UK - it is right and proper that we do. However, to propose this as a means of tackling the problems which we face is, if you will forgive me, naivety in the extreme. In a sense your suggested approach is even worse than that if it provides one with a means of avoiding discussion of the very real problem at hand.
fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
Passed!
diplomat61 (223 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
@Fulhamish: what do you advocate?
fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
@ diplomat, see my posts at 1.21 and 1.27 today for a flavour. We could explore further if you like, maybe we could find some common ground. Before then, however, how about you? Practical measures rather than platitudes please, if possible.
diplomat61 (223 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
If I summarise those two posts there are two points:
- Muslim community to take the lead dealing with extremists
- keep bombing Daesh in Iraq

Two questions:
- do you expect Muslim community to deal with non-British militants entering the country? and if so, how?
- do you think the UK should also bomb Daesh in Syria?

Note: time stamps show up in readers' time zone, so I had to add an hour as I am on CET.
fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
@ diplomat, I am disappointed not to read your proposed solutions. We might go into mine (which you slightly misrepresent) in significantly more depth once we have them. Wouldn't it be nice for us to reach a partial agreement, rather than construct an adversarial position? You never know it might happen.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
16 Nov 15 UTC
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@fulhamish, i didn't say my proposal would solve al lthe worlds problems. I proposed a thing you can actually do which will be a net positive in teh world.

Bombing Daesh in Iraq or Syria will not address any of the underlying causes of this war.

Which is you read the link i posted, claims is more about water than oil or religion.
diplomat61 (223 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
@Fulhamish:
- no proposals from me because issues still whizzing around in my head and I do not have any conclusions yet
- it was not my intent to misrepresent you, my apologies, please clarify
Amwidkle (4510 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
It seems lot of the discussion on Syria has focused on the share of culpability borne by outside powers. As others have pointed out, there are multiple actors in Syria. Assad/the regime, "moderate" rebels, "jihadist" rebels, ISIS, Iran, Hezbollah, Turkey, the Kurds, the U.S., the Gulf States, Russia, France, the U.K., and other minor players. I hope that was a more or less complete list.

The Syrian Civil War started in 2011 due to popular discontent with the Assad regime. Over a period of several years, it seems to have morphed into an even more elemental ethno-religious conflict based on ancient rivalries, especially Sunni-Shia sectarianism.

To me, this "big picture" perspective suggests that, if not for the Assad regime's unpopularity, as well as these ethnic and religious divisions, there would be no Syrian conflict. That's not quite the same as saying Western powers/Turkey/Gulf states/Russia bear *no* responsibility for the current chaos in Syria. But it suggests these outside players are reacting to events in Syria and attempting to shape them towards their own benefit. Today's French air strikes on ISIS are an illustrative example. Starting conflicts unnecessarily is bad, but I don't think nation-states can be faulted for pursuing their own security interests.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
16 Nov 15 UTC
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'...but I don't think nation-states can be faulted for pursuing their own security interests.'

Is that what they say they are doing? because i could have sworn that bombing people in foreign countries tended to antagonise them and reduce your security.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
If you want the big picture, you also have to consider the key socio-economic factors. One of the key reasons for the unrest was falling living standards, linked directly to the intense drought from 2007-2010 which led to crop failures and soaring food prices.

Never discount environmental factors.
fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
Absolutely Jamiet. It is not all dome and gloom at least on that score. Something I know a little about is the tremendous strides in desalination tech made by Israel. Their work has been truly groundbreaking. There is even a joint Israeli-Jordian project underway to revive the Dead Sea and produce hydroelectric power as a bi product. It might just be that we can avert those water wars so long forecasted.
fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
Doom! Sorry silly spell checker again.
Amwidkle (4510 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
"Is that what they say they are doing?"

I know the leaders of Turkey, Russia, the U.S., and France have explicitly used "security" as a justification for using force in Syria, and it would surprise me if the others (Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.) haven't also invoked "security" at some point. Now, whether bombing Syria *actually* enhances security is an empirical question which I wouldn't know how to answer. From an American perspective, in light of 9/11, I see no problem with bombing al-Qaeda and its affiliates if the host country is unable or unwilling to deal with them. I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that dispatching Osama bin Laden (which was a SEAL team raid, but it's the same principle as drone warfare) and his top commanders has somehow made America *less* safe. Remember that 9/11 occurred before the U.S. really bombed anywhere in the Middle East. To the best of my knowledge, Osama bin Laden's primary justification for 9/11 was the stationing of American troops on Saudi soil. The Saudi regime has at all relevant times been an ally of America and *invited* American troops in (comparable to Germany, Japan, and South Korea). So I don't give much credence to the argument that bombing makes us less safe from terrorists, when terrorists have also found an excuse to attack America merely for stationing troops in an allied country on supposedly holy soil.

I'm not advocating carpet-bombing the Middle East, but I fully support targeted strikes on known terrorist cells.
Cachimbo (1181 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
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What the what???

I've not been here in about 2 years. On a subject like this one, I would normally have expected some violent rhetoric and serious bad trolling... Yet, it seems like this was mostly a very intelligent and productive conversation!

HAVE THINGS CHANGED HERE???
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
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Yes, mapleleaf and draugnar got banned, putin33 left of his own accord, SYnapse took a long walk into the wilderness and I'm busy.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
On a serious note, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXUZjyZVj6s
fiedler (1293 D)
17 Nov 15 UTC
We've all done our best to minimise the political bias. Or krellin's on the wagon, or something.
trip (696 D(B))
17 Nov 15 UTC
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...and we still don't know shit about the Congo.
Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
17 Nov 15 UTC
Oi why'd draugnar get banned?
ssorenn (0 DX)
17 Nov 15 UTC
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Where's Krellin? We all miss him don't we?
Yoyoyozo (65 D)
17 Nov 15 UTC
I heard that he was silenced forever or something
Durga (3609 D)
17 Nov 15 UTC
^nooooooooooo
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
17 Nov 15 UTC
ISIS is unlikely to be removed in the near future. I would expect its forces to last a decade at least. Iraq took 10 years after sending in the superior US army, think how long it will take for the uncoordinated, undertrained ragtag coalition.
Sending in mass troops will accelerate its demise, but at great cost to the US.
fiedler (1293 D)
17 Nov 15 UTC
So the poor old Ostrich died for nothing....

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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
17 Nov 15 UTC
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Tory campaign of terror is killing vulnerable and disabled people
http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2015/10/26/jech-2015-206209.full

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Yoyoyozo (65 D)
17 Nov 15 UTC
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Lusthog?
What is it, and is it legal in the U.S?
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Deinodon (379 D(B))
18 Nov 15 UTC
Getting Banned
How long to mods wait before they ban you for not checking your email?
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brainbomb (290 D)
18 Nov 15 UTC
Anybody wanna fess up to anything that just happened?
You know what i'm talking about. Nobody should be getting away with that crap
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brainbomb (290 D)
17 Nov 15 UTC
War Crimes Tibunal - Needs one more player
We need 1 more player to make this game happen. Its full press, 2days/move. Great mix of gunboaters and experienced diplomats.
gameID=169681
Password is milk
first come first serve
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fourofswords (415 D)
13 Nov 15 UTC
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bummer
I just tried to join a live game, I was exactly one second too late. bummer. try again.
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happyplayer (130 D)
13 Nov 15 UTC
Anyone interested?
Now that I have played a couple of games and have gotten familiar with the site is there anyone who are intermediate players wanting to play a game?
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Balrog (219 D)
12 Nov 15 UTC
Is it just me or...
can you also not see the 'The Last Person to Post Wins' thread?
I am sure I haven't muted it and I was the last person to post on it AFAIK. But, I can't find it anywhere.

Did it have to be trimmed down from the database considering the ongoing DB issues? :p
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dottorpitt (100 D)
16 Nov 15 UTC
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Laviamoci i panni in casa
Ciao, sono un nuovo iscritto; quanti italiani ci sono? Riusciamo ad organizzare una partita insieme?

Sorry, I translate:
Hy, I'm a noob; how many Italians are sign on this site? Can we paly a game together?
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Deinodon (379 D(B))
14 Nov 15 UTC
Where are those glorious November Ghost Ratings?
I can't wait to see how far I dropped in this last month.
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
15 Nov 15 UTC
European Airbnb
Has anyone here ever stayed in an Airbnb in London and have a recommendation on any particular listings? Alternatively, how about decent but affordable lodging? How about Brussels or Amsterdam?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
15 Nov 15 UTC
Electronic petition
How hard would it be to do an electronic petition on my website? So hard that I'd better use another platform? How to do this, what to use?
I think an online form with either a database or dedicated webmail address behind it will do. Never done these things though..
Could I set it up in a day or two if I start cracking?
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wjessop (100 DX)
09 Nov 15 UTC
TTPs
Discussion of Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures (TTPs) for Diplomacy games.

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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
15 Nov 15 UTC
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Impressive top GR solo!
[YOU MUST HAVE A WEBDIP PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP TO VIEW THIS POST]
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
14 Nov 15 UTC
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Shodan
All: My son received his Shodan rank (Black Belt) in Shorin-Ryu Karate today. We are all very proud of his work and effort over the past 5 years. I just wanted to share that little personal triumph with you all.
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
14 Nov 15 UTC
Frost Shock?
Any of the same gang around?
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IRidePigs (1386 D)
14 Nov 15 UTC
Replacement needed for Classic Map
gameID=169146
Russia CD'd, need replacement. Password is Keaton. Winner takes all, anonymous players.
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*sigh* Pause and replace needed soon
gameID=169252

Russia to NMR in 24 hr.
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ModrejKrokodýl (63 DX)
14 Nov 15 UTC
Quick game
Hi, does anyone want to play a quick game? Phase long 5 mins... If yes, write it here and when there will be 4 more interested players, I'll write you a password and game name.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
14 Nov 15 UTC
Beirut Terrorist attack
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/isil-claims-suicide-bombings-southern-beirut-151112193802793.html
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KingCyrus (511 D)
12 Nov 15 UTC
Mizzou et al
What is going on in universities across the US?
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
13 Nov 15 UTC
WORLD GAME LIVE
Obviously I realise that this is a huge order but I've seen live modern diplomacy, and fall of american empire so I was wondering if we could set up a live World game
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mdean (100 D)
14 Nov 15 UTC
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Creating a new game
I am hoping to start a new game to play just with a few friends of mine around the country. I haven't created my own game before. Is there any way I can restrict who can join a game I create to make sure only my friends can join?
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
07 Nov 15 UTC
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Religiously-raised children meaner - secular children kinder; more altruistic
Interesting study.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/religious-children-less-altruistic-secular-kids-study
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
13 Nov 15 UTC
The Future of TV
How do ya'll watch TV? Standard Cable? TiVo? Apple TV? A mix of online services? What's holding us back from an Internet-based TV revolution? Are Cable companies to blame, or do we simply not have the bandwidth yet? Have things changed since Jan 2013?
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Maniac (184 D(B))
13 Nov 15 UTC
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Rough Sleeping
I'm sleeping rough for charity on 5th December 2015, I'm sorry in advance if I NMR or lurk a little in any ongoing mafia games.
You could donate https://www.youcaring.com/birmingham-and-wolverhampton-homeless-outreach-444454
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
13 Nov 15 UTC
anyone backpacked through central america?
Or lives there? Please give me all your recommendations.
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denis (864 D)
13 Nov 15 UTC
How much are you enjoying premier league football so far?
Thoughts on the league so far? feel free to bring up other leagues and european cup competitions too.
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