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Hive Tyrant (46 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
MULTI ACCOUNTERS!!!
HERE IS A LIST OF MULTI ACCOUNTERS

AmestrisState
Anarchist09
Anarchy101
GRQ09
and,
ze fuhrer

Do Not Trust Him
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SlkySmoothOtter (969 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
New game for 50 points.
I wanted to start a game for a medium number of points, hopefully anyone can play if they want.
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pitirre (0 DX)
06 Dec 07 UTC
ways of communication
i only do my negotiations or "diplomacing" in the chat window in the game and i was wandering if any of you has communicated with other players using e-mail, messenger or just calling using your mobile or homephone.

i will find very thrilling to diplomacing using messenger or cel...but i never had the opportunity.

how was your experience if you have communicated using another alternative than the chat window at phpdip?

i even have a ouija! ;0) Maybe i can get Bismarck to play.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
05 Dec 07 UTC
Interesting Endgame
One of the most interesting endgames I've seen in a while. I wonder who's going to win.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1977
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Kilinari (100 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
50 point game
Please join at gid=2392
Bet of 50
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AmestrisState (17 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
Re: Multi accounters
i admit that i am a multi accounter but so is hive tyrant with verycheesy and gorilla warfare, grq09 is my brother but the rest is true
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dice00 (100 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
New Game Started
Just started a new game called fun times
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Razz (144 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
Say What???
06:06 AM Autumn 1905, Diplomacy: Your army at Ankara recieved stand support from the army at Constantinople, but couldn't accept it because your army at Constantinople tried to move

How in the he** can I give stand support AND move at the same time??
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Nick Douglas (408 D)
05 Dec 07 UTC
Hey remember when people abandoned games because they had no incentive to continue?
And then we invented the point system and now no one abandons them any more?

Okay, I wasn't around before the point system, but were there even more abandoned games than the 35 I'm looking at now?
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AmestrisState (17 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
hive tyrant!!!
he is a bitch for saying i am a multi accounter when he is as well
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sean (3490 D(B))
05 Dec 07 UTC
aspirational nobs gather yea swords while yea may
no new games started so i started one, for the aspirational newbies who have joined recently and want to get out of the below 100 hundred crowd. well the winner of the 7 of us will anyway.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
05 Dec 07 UTC
Why not open a game bet 101?
That's to stop those wannabes from mucking up the games.
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
05 Dec 07 UTC
Rules governing retreats
Can i just clarify the rules in this version of the game please..... if a unit is forced to retreat it has the option to move to any free adjacent territory? (provided no-one else is trying to move or retreat there)

Even if this means moving further away from your own 'home country', and/or grabbing a supply centre? which could actually be pretty advantageous.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Where is meer?
We have one place left for Ghengis 2

(same password as for Ghengis 1)
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flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
New Game: Ghengis 2
Nothing to do with the voting threads, but I have resurrected the Ghengis game I tried to start last week.

This is a small pot (5 points) but big on communication and diplomatic creativity...

Those who tried to join the first one, the password remains the same:

Who or what defeated the Mongol's in East Asia (one word).

Rait: you wanted to try a small pot game... I hope you can make it.

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Keyseir (100 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
07-08
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2368

Game starts in an hour, 90 point bet. Need one more player.
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Locke (1846 D)
29 Nov 07 UTC
Greatest Diplomacy Player ever shortlist continued
The board as it now stands


10 Alexander (Macedonian Leader)
8 Bismarck (Prussian Statesman)
6 Ceaser (Roman Leader)
10 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
4 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabic General)
10 Machiavelli (Florentine Statesman)
2 Napoleon (French Leader)
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fastspawn (1625 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
fwancophile,

Jin was much stronger than the Mongols
Song was much stronger than the Mongols.
(much stronger than Austria vs the Prussians)

but I just need you to realize that in terms of land area (even discounting these "sand areas where nobody lives in, which the ancients called Transoxiana and the Kwarezmian Empire, which were more populated and civilized than Western Europe at that point), If you were to say that, then i would suggest you mark down Alexander instead, since you would consider these same lands as "pure sand"

Bismarck started with 1 SC, Prussia. Genghis started off not even in the game.
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
naw i stand by my choice. i mean, the best choice isn't even available - but i suppose you would call that choice (the whole diplomatic corps of the US post WW2) "american-centric"
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Otto von Bismarck
-1 Genghis Khan
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Dec 07 UTC
It seems like we are divided upon
Bismarck vs Genghis... while Alexander sits there not moving at all...
Lynius (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Can someone post the standings?
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Well, I get to make another vote now that we are down to three, and I have to remain stubborn:

+1 for the Mighty Khan
-1 for Bismark

I think though that this is going to need a new rule before an acceptable result emerges...
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
I am also reminded of that great Monty Python line, "You don't vote for kings!"

(Apparently they do in Malaysia...)

Salmaneser (6160 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Apparently those that vote for Bismarck won't listen to any reason.

They seem to have only one critic at Genghis, namely that his empire consisted 2/3 out of sand. At first, this is highly overrated. Second, since when does it count what ground you conquer? And if it does, don't you think Genghis earns alot more respect for keeping his ppl alive in such bare conditions? Thirdly, you say there was nothing to conquer. Well, seeing the urbanisation in Germany during the 12th century, Bismarck wouldn't have had much more to conquer. And what about the conquering of the highly civilised cities in China, India and Persia?

But ok, let's assume you are right anyway, Genghis only conquered sand and dust. What did Bismarck conquer? Two little duchies in Denmark for starters. After that, he lost Austria. Then, he united the northern German states under Prussia. The southern German states did the same under Bavaria, and joined Bismarck against his war against France. In that war, he made his second conquest, namely Alsace-Lorraine, which, as I already posed, would cost him everything he built up (which wasn't alot, you have to admit).
And I could accept the fact that Bismarck laid the foundations for the Germany of today (although that was more the merit of Napoleon). But what with Genghis' empire? His conquests brought forth one of the most civilised empires at that time, under his grandson Kublai.

Let's face it, Bismarck may be a decent diplomat, but he is nothing compared to Genghis.
Salmaneser (6160 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Genghis
-1 Bismarck

16 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
20 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
14 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Well, since everyone else has, I'll go again.

Why why did you get rid of Napoleon and Casear- my two favorite conquerors! Napoleon had MUCH better diplomatic skills than Khan, and Caesar could have beaten Khan in a level battle (sme number of troops and no artillery, I like the Roman Legions and their arrow-blocking testudo formation against Khan any day.)

Ah well....... and what is this about Bismark? He was NOT a general- and say what you will but GUNBOAT diplomacy is diplomacy, and Caesar the aggresive way much more successful and important than old Otto.)

So, I vote for my third-favorite, and the best candidate still on the board:

+1 for Alexander (undefeated and still living like a rock star when he died.)

-1 for Bismark (At least Khan was a successful general)

So, I think it is now:

17 Alexander (Macedonian General and Leader)
21 Bismark (German Chancellor)
13 Khan (Mongolian Warlord)

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Sorry- everytime I see Gehngis's name, I think of that line. :p
fastspawn (1625 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
obiwan you calculated wrongly
it should be

17 Alexander (Macedonian General and Leader)
19 Bismark (German Chancellor)
14 Khan (Mongolian Warlord)

And mine is

17 Alexander
18 Bismarck
15 Khan
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Sorry- good at Diplomacy, bad at math. :p
fastspawn (1625 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
and why wouldn't the mongols use artillery? they are noted for using artillery, take the battle of mohi for example, this was the first encounter that modern europe had with field artillery.

All the examples of anti khan scenarios have to do with a situation whereby the mongols have to be disadvantaged with not having their famous combined arms, or not having their superb logistical command structure.
pitirre (0 DX)
03 Dec 07 UTC
once again the recognition factor is the decisive here. Khalid it is the obvious choice or at least among the best 3 and just because our western christian world taught us what is or who is the best the votes are predictible.
rexx78 (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Genghis

18 Alexander
18 Bismarck
14 Khan
Sirither (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
-1 Genghis
+1 Bismarck

18 Alexander
19 Bismarck
13 Khan
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Hmmm, this is getting interesting.

We could end up with proportional representation at this rate...

And a strong vote for Noodlebug's diplomatic handling of personal criticism. But, then again, what else would we expect? I assume he's got the knife ready somewhere as well... ;)

Kilinari (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+Bismarck
Die Khan!

18 Alexander
20 Bismarck
12 Khan
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Dec 07 UTC
...twleve more votes before Khan dies...
quick, otherwise the game is not going to stop
Juanito (9 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck
-1 Alexander

17 Alexander
21 Bismarck
12 Khan
bihary (2782 D(S))
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck
-1 Alexander

16 Alexander
22 Bismarck
12 Khan
Vampiero (3525 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
can the people that choose bismarck at least give some reason....i think of all players bismarck has had the least written reasons for him being picked. i, being skeptical, would like to see how other people view him.
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
I would invite Gobbledydook to let us know how much he has read about:

1) Bismark; and
2) Ghengis...?

I shall press you on this most serious issue when see you next and then press you further to confess on here...

As I shall see you within 24 hours, you will have to apply that prodigious mind of yours to some quick study... ;)
I think Caesar should get a second chance because I feel it was a fluke that he was eliminated.
Sorakan (126 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Ghengis
-1 Bismark
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Bismark

Taking the last post as well, the scores are now:
17 Alexander
20 Bismarck
13 Khan
Wombat (722 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
God I can't believe Alexander is still here.

He was a drunkard. He was a good general but I'm willing to vouch that superman couldn't play diplomacy whilst drunk. Come on he probably died from drink!

As for Bismarck he held Germany and united it. Fine. If you look on the diplomacy map he started with one SC (prussia) and ended with 4 (Holland, MUnich, KIel etc.) BUT he lost those territories he had won after the first world war, which his alliance system helped to bring about in the first place- and which Germany lost.

Good diplomat yes- empire builder adaquete- still lost in the end.

Genghis though? started with 0 SCs (unless you count grass and some sheep) and didn't just stop at 18- he and his descendants conquered the most ancient, advanced and populous civilisations in the world namely India, Persia, China- he had Islam at his mercy and killed the last ever Caliph in Baghdad... he destroyed the Russian kingdoms of the Ukraine and the Caspian, and levelled cities of over a million people (remember this is 1200+AD) and reduced it to pasture- his empire reached from Vienna to Shanghai!!!!!

and he did know how to develop and absorb technologies. In the end they were the most sophisticated and disciplined force to be seen in the world at that time. Their average horseman had composite bows who could punch through the knight's armour like hot knife through butter. To reply to Bflynn's post a long time before, the Mongol's fought and destroyed a combined Russian, Polish and German army, consisting of the cream of the nobility of Eastern Europe, and in the same battle completely destroyed the Knights Templars. Never fought a real battle huh?

Bismarck isn't on the same level as Khan for axchievement. Some people say it's diplomacy we're talking about, and not just the art of war- but Genghis started from dung and talked, literally stabbed and fought his way up- and had Military skill.
Bismarck started clever wars but never directed one himself so his military side is unproven.

Last of all, if you're still unsure, ask yourself this: if you were in command of an empire's military, would you like to face Bismarck or Genghis in Battle?

so... to summarize...

+1 Khan
-1 Bismarck

17 Alexander
19 Bismarck
14 Khan
aoe3rules (949 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck
-1 Khan

this is never going to end, is it?

and, while i completely dissagre with that last post (the opinions, not the facts) i don't get why Alexander is still here.
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
khan didn't conquer india. his main conquest was china & a secondary, temporary occupation of persia. other than that, wastelands the lot of it. probably 9 SCs at most in the whole thing. i mean, the man didn't build a navy. how can you win at diplomacy without even one navy???

PS - prussia does not have an SC. moreover, bismark didn't lose WW1. he would never have let it come to that, and if it had anyway, he would have won ww1.
aoe3rules (949 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
17 Alexander
20 Bismarck
13 Khan

p.s. i'm not going to include this because i'm not sure, but i think Salmaneser miscounted votes before his posts because no one had a count, but it probably should be 21 Bismarck.

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Noodlebug (1812 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Greatest LIVING Diplomacy Player - discussion/nominations only
While the GDP Ever thread is reaching it's climax I thought we could get some suggestions as to who might be the best Diplomacy player out of well-known people alive today.

While Rait is an obvious candidate, to avoid things getting personal we should limit it to people who (as far as we know) don't actually play.

Would it be a prominent politician, such as Bush, Blair or Gorbachev? Or someone behind the scenes, like Karl Rove or Peter Mandelson? Or perhaps the field of modern conflict is business, and the transferable skills for empire-building are best demonstrated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch or other major corporate CEOs? Would military strategists like Schwarzkopf and Petreus get a look in? Could renegades (from a Western perspective) like Castro or Bin Laden have what it takes?

This is just a discussion thread, so no voting until we have a result in the other thread. The most talked about (by different people!) candidates will make the shortlist.
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VIOLA (1650 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
DRAW
When finish draw a game?
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sean (3490 D(B))
03 Dec 07 UTC
novice to net diplomacy
hi, first i have to say that being new to online diplomacy that after a look at the several sites PHP is the most accessible one . however i do have a few questions. what determines the "end of phase"? seems to be 20 hours, is it always 20ish hours? if one doesn't finalized one is in civil disturbance and all units hold? i use this sites map (in the my game section) so what"s the program on soundforge for? do i need to download it? thanks
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fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
stuck
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2359
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Can your own units swap place on the board?
For example, If I had a army in Norway and fleet in Sweden could I do:

Army Norway move to Sweden
Fleet Sweden move to Norway

And if this is possible assuming no external factors, what would happen if England tried to move a Fleet from North Sea to Norway with NO support?
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Vampiero (3525 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
2 games in stalled
hey kestas, could you process two of my games in 'due now' mode:

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2299
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2190

much thx
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seattle (156 D)
26 Nov 07 UTC
Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament
I worry that this is already turning into a farce, because of the seeding system - for instance, the number 2 seed in the whole tournament, Locke, is already out.
There might be more mileage in the following heat system next time:
Heat 1
1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25
Heat 2
2, 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26
Heat 3
3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27
Heat 4
4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
Heat 5
29, 32, 35, 38, 41, 44, 47
Heat 6
30, 33, 36, 39, 42, 45, 48
Heat 7
31, 34, 37, 40, 43, 46, 49

Semi Final 1
1A, 2C, 3C, 4A, 5B, 6C, 7A
Semi Final 2
1B, 2B, 3B, 4B, 5C, 6A, 7B
Semi Final 3
1C, 2A, 3A, 4C, 5A, 6B, 7C

Final
1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, 3A, 3B and best third place

This makes sure weaker players can get into the next round, while also assuring plenty of places for established players. What does anyone think?
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Zxylon (0 DX)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Win %
I am curious about people's winning percentage. AKA Number of games won over number of games not won (lost= come in second or worse).
I have won 14 and lost 22. So my % is 63.6%. Its a different way of looking at rankings.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
03 Dec 07 UTC
STARTING IN 1 HOUR...
...rocket launcher. ante is 14. we need two more players.
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Darwyn (1601 D)
30 Nov 07 UTC
The Point System
The debate never ends...Does the current point system alter the way the game SHOULD be played? This is arguable, but If the spirit of the game is to always play for the win, then YES!! The current point system changes this by allowing inferior countries plead for survival with the hope that they can retain some points rather then trying to negotiate with other inferior countries in attacking the superior country.

I am guilty of this myself.

But again, if we can agree that the spirit of the game is to always play for the win, here is what I propose:

1) Change the point system to a token system and keep it private.
Points are only be used as an ante to enter games with players of similar caliber...or to keep out players with lesser points.

What if instead of granting new players 100 pts, they are granted 10 GREEN tokens. Games can only be created by using ONE token of whatever color you decide. So, the new player can join up to 10 green token games.

Tokens are only lost if you allow your country to go CD. They are never stripped from you if you lose. But if you win or lose, they change color.

Each win allows you to change the color of ALL of your tokens to the next higher color...say, blue. After each loss, one of your chips will return to the lower color. So, after winning your first game and getting all your chips to turn blue (allowing you to play in blue AND green level games), each game you enter and lose thereafter will change ONE token back to it's lower color. Ten losses and you are left with ten green chips to play in only green level games. You need only one token of ten to be blue to change ALL tokens to the next higher color, say red. Ten losses after attaining your second win and you'll be back down to ten blue tokens...ten more losses and your back down to green.

Each token represents a game that can be played at that color level or lower.

Games are then created based on the hierarchy of color, not points...AND THEY ARE KEPT PRIVATE! No one will know what color your tokens are...they will only see ranks:


2) Show ranks, not points.
Instead of seeing, for example, Rait (8577), let it show Rait (Superior Diplomat). And make these rankings based entirely on WINS and nothing else.

0 wins = political puppet
1 wins = Apprentice
2 wins = Representative
3 wins = Negotiator
4 wins = Statesman
5 wins = Diplomat

Or some such. You could even further break these down into subcategories by using adjectives before the rankings...1 win = Lesser Apprentice, 2 wins = Apprentice, 3 wins = Superior Apprentice....and so on...

Add to this a nifty little color-coded graphic and I believe the dynamic of this game will change from a "I want points" to "I want to win and get my shiny new rank!".

I understand there's a ranking system in place, but as it stands, it's given very little weight.

Keep in mind that once you attain a rank, you can never drop any lower no matter how many games you lose or what color your tokens are.


These are only suggestions and will need some deeper thought as to how it can be improved and/or integrated. And I'm sure Kestas is very busy...perhaps it's even on his to-do list (0.78: Winner-takes-all-games?)

It just seems that every other thread on this forum in some way speaks to the short comings of the point system in relation to "playing to win".

Please discuss...
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yeunghauyip (1654 D)
24 Nov 07 UTC
Uneven random countries picking
I've just realized that I've never played as England here...
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mightyrobot (202 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Due Now
I have about 5 games all stuck in "due now"....
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
29 Nov 07 UTC
The Maxims of Smart Jason...please give marks out of 100
Smart Jason's Maxims....by Smart Jason

Contents:

I thik you have al arger crime than I do. You have already been banned for doing multi-accounts for times!!!
When I did repented... I never played more thatn one. It is only your own prejudice... Just ask the Kestas if I have copied names like chairman Mao???
I mean 'well' but not 'when'
Irepented though but Gobble did not
I did repent but Gobble didn't
Well, Gobble said he repent, then how come he is still playint at least two accounts
Have a look there, and you will see...

If you can't find the game,
try to find Jabberwocky through the brothers account arthurmklo or adrianmclo and adrianmclo's second account Chairman Mao...
You guys accused me wrongly when you guys are doing the bad thing...

Now, everyone, if these maxims were a composition by SmartJason how many marks would you give him out of 100?
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