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Manwe Sulimo (325 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Buying this Site
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Carebear (100 D)
19 Jan 17 UTC
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Cross-site Diplomacy Tournament
www.PlayDiplomacy.com is hosting a cross-site Diplomacy tournament. We have *eliminated* the paid premium membership requirement to allow us to invite members from other sites. WebDiplomacy players with strong reliability ratings and ratings in the top 10%+/- on this site are invited to participate in this event .
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stranger (525 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
gunboat related - grabbing Munich in 1901
I find that a lot of players that start as France would actually try to get Burgundy into Munich in gunboats in Autumn 01. What is the point of that? Germany will have to build armies to get France out again and thus put England in a massively advantaged position.

Thoughts?
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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
13 Feb 17 UTC
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Colours of the Great Powers on WebDip
Why does WebDip have the colour allotment it does?
In the original rules, it says that Austria is Red, England: Dark Blue, France: Light Blue, Turkey: Yellow, Germany: Black, Russia: White, Italy: Green. Why change England and Russia?
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cb6000 (100 D(S))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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The need for two forums
See below
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glo2018 (1697 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Rule Hypocrisy
the people that made a rule against "Sexism, racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry" but allow cussing i think is quite hypocritical. if you allow people to cuss on this site then why is it wrong for someone to politely state their belief that homosexuality is a sin? if this forum was made for people to voice their opinions and opinions are allowed on other matters then why is it wrong to voice your opinions on sticky subjects?
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Deeply_Dippy (458 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Returning to go's original post - I do find it disappointing that many people on this site use potentially offensive language in their posts, and there may be an element of hypocrisy both in their doing so and in my commenting on it.

My only further comment would be that ALL forum posts are visible to any guests to the site, which could include almost anyone anywhere.

We would all do well to remember that when we post.
JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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@Deeply_Dippy

ironically, it was a thread asking that we do the same thing that you are speaking of that caused this problem. However the author of that thread I personally though was being arrogant, and that led to a series of personal attacks.

I'm fine with your point, although I'd say that "potentially offensive language" is a VERY broad range in our current political climate
glo2018 (1697 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
how did i attack you James? stating what i believe in and why is not an attack.
JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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@glo

oh not you, it was an earlier thread
orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Feb 17 UTC
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@glo, when you start making sense, it makes me appreciate that i never need to unmute James :)

I may not agree with you, or understand your point of view. But i do want to welcome you into this dysfunctional forum... I hope you are here to stay!
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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Here's the problem with this decision, it can't be enforced fairly. I remember the first forum restriction which, if I recall was in regards to racial slurs and racial stereotyping. After a couple debates about Israel, male leaf was bating Jewish members with tactics far right trolls are using today. He called us cheap, he called us stereotypical Jewish names, he made subtle references to anti Jewish propaganda from the past etc. the mods over and over again wrongly ruled that his antics did not constitute anti Semitic even as I was warned for a comment I made in return about CANADIANS. It quickly became absurd. According to the mods he did not cross the line until he pmd me the words German guards used when they dropped zyclon b into gas chambers. Today, it has been publicized that bro nszi trolls use the exact same tactics that the mods stated were not anti Semitic

Point of the story is this. The mods don't know a thing about the things they are now asked to police, they are going to do it poorly even as they drive people from the site. They are going to be overworked and might eventually leave too. The judgements will be arbitrary and will not solve the problem. If anything should serve as a criteria for policing the forum it should be something like "showing disrespect to others" rather than isms that I don't think our 15-30 year old white mods know much about.
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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I disagree Santa C... I have a lot more confidence in the Mods. They are not perfect, but have the best interests for this site and they're not a bunch of clowns. Why be pessimistic ? Why not be optimistic ? I see no reason for the gloomy predictions, I see reasons to have genuine hope.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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I've seen it, it doesn't work. That's why I don't have confidence. I'm not saying they are clowns, I'm saying that they are a group of people with s limited understanding of different cultures, political views etc (not saying as a criticism just a fact) and we should ask them to police things that the often don't understand.

How can a guy call me moishe and put an oy! After every sentence, do it with regularity, and talk off topic about me being a bad tipper and a mod (the main mod nonetheless) claim that it doesn't think it is anti semitism, shows ignorance, shows that it is a mistake to ask them to police this at all.
Fluminator (1500 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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I'm pretty sure most of the mods are different than the ones during the mapleleaf era.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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I can confirm that, nobody currently on the current mod team (not including the dev team/site owner/people running tournaments, but they aren't doing forum moderation) was on the mod team back when those policies were introduced.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
11 Feb 17 UTC
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I can confirm that I can't quite follow this conversation
orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Feb 17 UTC
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I'm pretty sure Santa is right.

I was around before the forum was moderated, and i can say i don't envy the mod's job.

I wish there was a way to run the forum with ony self-moderation, muting the worst offenders (as i try to do) - creating black lists which can be shared (so you can have a common set of people everyone mutes... Or if a majority of users mute someone then the area muted by default for new users and/or visitors who are logged out - but any such system is then open to abuse, as a group of people could try to censor anyone just by mass muting them... And factions could eventually form who can't see what the other side is posting...)
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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The person I am referring to IS still a mod
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
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But that isn't the point, the point is that I simply don't see this as the mods specialty or that it should be their specialty
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
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Well SC, we obviously disagree. But I note the way you & Orathaic have responded has avoided any abuse aimed at me & thank you both for that.
fiedler (1293 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
May the new sanitized webdip reign a thousand years!

We all know it will :D
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
"The person I am referring to IS still a mod". Who?
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
SC.. Might I suggest that you reply to that in a PM to jmo ? And hesitantly suggest that it might have been diplomatic to ask for a reply by PM.
Already did.
but again, its not really relevant, it happened, I don't hold it against the mod, I'm just using it as an example of why this won't work
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
Well done SC. I don't want to get entangled in the specific issue. But after what I went through, I'm all in favour of avoiding public squabbles with the Mods on this rules stuff. For everyone's sake.
glo2018 (1697 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
here is a good article i read that y'all might be interested in:
"Quick, name the practice that most sets Christianity apart from the non-Christian world. Respect for human life? Not really. Religions such as Jainism have, if anything, an even more uncompromising prohibition against harming any living things.

Sexual morality? Again, there are religions—Orthodox Judaism and Islam immediately come to mind—that place an even higher premium on sexual purity than Christianity. If you doubt this, ask yourself when was the last time you saw a Christian woman in a burqa.

The answer to this question is forgiveness. No other belief system has the equivalent of forgiving your brother seventy times seven, i.e., every time—much less commands you to love your enemies, and bless those who persecute you.

The radical nature of Christian forgiveness is so startling, so overwhelming, that it made the CBS Evening News.

The story began in 2005 in the city of Benton Harbor, Michigan. On that day, Jameel McGee was, in his words, “minding his own business,” when he was stopped by a policeman, Andrew Collins. The encounter did not go well for McGee. Collins accused him of selling drugs and arrested him. At the time, McGee insisted that the charges were “all made up.” As CBS noted, “Of course, a lot of accused men make that claim,” and the outcome in McGee’s case was pretty much the same as in other such cases: He wound up serving four years in prison.

In McGee’s words, “I lost everything.”

Making matters infinitely worse was that McGee was telling the truth: He was in fact an innocent man.

We know this because the policeman, Collins, was subsequently “caught, and served a year and a half for falsifying many police reports, planting drugs and stealing.” Among the falsified police reports was the one concerning Jameel McGee.

While exoneration is sweet, it doesn’t make up for the four years spent behind bars. As McGee told CBS, “My only goal was to seek him when I got home and to hurt him.”

He appeared to have gotten his chance when both McGee and Collins ended up working at a café run by Mosaic Christian Community Development Center. As CBS put it, the “bad cop and the wrongfully accused man had no choice but to have it out.”

And that brings me back to what I said about Christianity’s unique emphasis on forgiveness. Collins told McGee “Honestly, I have no explanation, all I can do is say I'm sorry.” McGee’s response, “That was pretty much what I needed to hear.”

But McGee did not stop there: He befriended the man who wronged him, so much so that he eventually told Collins that he loved him. As Collins tells the tale, “I just started weeping because he doesn’t owe me that. I don’t deserve that.”

Thankfully, forgiveness, and the healing it brings in its wake, has nothing to do with “deserve.” As McGee, a Christian, understood, we forgive one another because, as Paul told both the Ephesians and the Colossians, God in Christ has forgiven us.

The power of forgiveness transcends personal relationships. Think of the reaction to the Amish forgiving the man who killed ten young girls back in 2007. There was a power at work there that even the most hardened skeptic could not deny.

Today, McGee and Collins share their story with others. At least one person seems to have taken its message to heart. The CBS reporter ended with the following question: “If these two guys from the coffee shop can set aside their bitter grounds, what's our excuse?”
The answer, especially for the Christian, is “none.”"
Lethologica (203 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
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glo, if you stop trying to set yourself apart from the non-Christian world and actually explore it, you might learn some things. I think it's great that Mr. McGee acted out his Christian ideals, but they're by no means *uniquely* Christian.

https://nexusnovel.wordpress.com/2007/01/03/forgiveness-in-different-religions/
http://www.spiritualcompetency.com/scrcQuiz.aspx?courseID=58
https://etb-biblical-errancy.blogspot.com/2012/04/jesus-was-not-first-to-teach-love-your.html
https://www.unification.net/ws/theme144.htm
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
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I wholeheartedly believe that if humanity requires a book to teach us morality we are doomed.
glo2018 (1697 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
on that first url the deffrence between budism and the others listed and Chsitianity is that budism says that "Forgiveness is a practice for removing unhealthy emotions that would otherwise cause harm to our mental well-being." meaning that you forgive just so that YOU can have a better life. another words forgivness is self serving. that is the same with the other religions that teach "forgivness" (they just treat forgivness as just something you do for you not for the other people). also if you think Islam is forgiving then go to the middle east and get your head cut off becuase you are a Christan or your hand cut off because you steal one thing. yes islam is very forgiving. but Christianity says that we are forgiving others "because Christ forgave us". we arnt forgiving others for ourselves (like budism and SIKHISM) but becuase God forgave us.

and hinduism (your 2nd url) dose it to gain “the one supreme peace” (so their forgivness is also self serving). your 3rd url also says how budism says all that before christianity but the answer is the same. "Do not hurt others in ways that would be hurtful to yourself.” that is what budism says. notice it says dont hurt others in a way that would be hurtful to YOURSELF (self serving).

also listen to this "The content of Buddha's teaching was transmitted only orally for several centuries after his death.6 By the time that Buddha's words were finally written down, there were a large number of rival Buddhist schools and each had their own differing collection of Buddha's teachings.7 While most of these have been wholly lost to history" while Christianity was written down by the eye witnesses and There are more than 24,000 partial and complete manuscript copies of the New Testament. These manuscript copies are very ancient. so there is not just scraps and pieces of it like budism. also in budism we arnt really sure of the identity of "the buddah" (http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/historical-buddha.html) but in Christianity we are quite sure of the identity of Jesus (because there is actually non-christan historical evedince of his existence)

so another words those quotes by budda arnt even reliable (becuase they where passed down oraly for over 400 years [and if you have ever played the game of telephone you can be sure that those quotes have been changed]) while Jesus's quotes where written down by direct eye witnesses. so which one is more reliable?
glo2018 (1697 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
400 years of oraly transmitting a sentience can really mutate the sentence.
Lethologica (203 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
Oh, bonus: some forgiveness anecdotes from people of other faiths.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4056266/Muslim-Somali-woman-smashed-face-beer-mug-Applebee-s-speaking-Swahili-forgives-attacker-court.html
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/Sri-Sri-Ravishankar-forgives-attacker-invites-him-to-lsquosatsangrsquo/article16240230.ece
http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/buddhist-monk-mistaken-for-muslim-attacked-forgives-assailant/article_b92b99f6-e7e8-11e5-be67-43e40675be4f.html
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865562567/Sikhs-emphasize-forgiveness-in-aftermath-of-shooting.html
glo2018 (1697 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
https://carm.org/the-historical-reliability-of-jesus-and-buddha
Lethologica (203 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
>.<

glo, remember what I said about evolution? That applies here, too. Someday you might learn about other religions as something besides opposition research, and you're going to be very surprised. Until then, I have no words for someone so manifestly uncharitable towards other people and beliefs.
glo2018 (1697 D)
13 Feb 17 UTC
i am sure that even atheist can forgive someone but the fact remaines the actual doctrin they teach dose not actualy teach forgivness

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter." (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx)

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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Why did we invade Klendathu?
What value was there to the planets owned by the bugs? Why not just nuke them?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
03 Feb 17 UTC
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Petition to rename St. Petersburg
St. Petersburg as a territory name is offensive to anyone who isn't Christian. We need to change this to be more welcoming to other religions.
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
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Switzerland: No Man's Land.
Let's assume that Switzerland is no longer impassable. What effects would that have on the game, the strategy, and the tactics? Should Switzerland stay a no man's land, or might it be more interesting to make it a playable space? Perhaps it could be a neutral supply center, or just a neutral territory. What do you guys think?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Feb 17 UTC
Live tournaments
Questions:
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
11 Feb 17 UTC
Turkey Opening Strategies: Moving to Syria?
Turkey opens normally, except the fleet in Ankara moves to Constantinople, and the army in Smyrna holds. The army in Smyrna then moves to Syria. Turkey can build a fleet in Ankara or Smyrna, depending on whether he is going after Russia or Italy. This is not my idea. I was just curious to know what you guys think about it. Is a Turkish move to Syria just plain silly, or might it have some serious strategic effects?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Relinquishing the forum
Hey I'll be at work for a few hours don't want anyone to get worried. Just thought I'd let you guys know I won't be posting.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
French - Italian alliance
How would this work? Usually there's a non-aggression pact, but if France were willing to sacrifice Marseilles in return for support in Tyrolia, is this a workable relationship? Stabs are VERY difficult as they cross the stalemate line, but has this been effectively done before?
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Updated Forum Rules
http://webdiplomacy.net/rules.php
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LeonWalras (865 D)
08 Feb 17 UTC
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A Conservative Answer to Climate Change
I don't imagine a revenue neutral carbon tax proposed by top republicans from the Reagan era will be at all controversial...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-conservative-answer-to-climate-change-1486512334
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Joining this site
I like this site so much Ive decided to Join it. By creating additional accounts to make up for all the people leaving. Brainbomb2 brainbomb3 and brainbomb4 will explore the true depth of my personality
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Randomizer (722 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Preparing for the Zombie Apocalypse
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/us/illinois-zombie-bill-trnd/index.html

Getting ready for the Apocalypse and other disasters, i.e. Trump.
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wpfieps (442 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
I hate people from Zimbabwe
Zimbabwe-ans suck big time.

I was actually going to use this new thread to maybe comment about what I think about women, or maybe what I think about Republicans, or maybe something else like that. But then I thought those things might get me in trouble. So I decided to express my opinion about Zimbabwe-ans instead.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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slypups (1889 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Strategy differences between the maps
What would you say the biggest overall strategy differences are between playing the small map (Ancient Med) vs Classic vs the larger maps (Fall of American Empire, Mod Dip, World Dip, and soon to be extinct Known World)?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Alleged 9/11 Mastermind Explains Motives
Shockingly, in 18 pages the supposed imperative to spread Sharia Law and force Americans to convert to Islam does not get a mention. American foreign policy, however, gets plenty of ink.
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/911-masterminds-letter-to-obama-heres-why-we-attacked-america
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
Better work conditions: Borg Cube or Industrial Revolution
Discuss
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Ezio (2181 D)
10 Feb 17 UTC
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Egathetos (207 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Newbie question
If a piece "supports hold" another unit does it loose its own "hold"?
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leon1122 (190 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Daily Daily Thread Thread
Please post all your Daily Threads here in order to keep forum spam to a minimum. Post Daily Threads here and only here.
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
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Out of control thread
I want a safe place for all the haters. Lets make a thread that is totes out of control. But keep it light. Here we can call each other idiots and morons. And threaten to punch ourselves in the face.
#MAGA #bringbackkrellin
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09 Feb 17 UTC
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09 Feb 17 UTC
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Leaving this Site
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Limni (491 D)
09 Feb 17 UTC
Server down?
Seems like the server has been down for a while now - does anyone know the cause or a likely ETA for resolution?
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