So you must have really hated Bill Clinton too then, and Bush... and all the other guys who were before you were born.... lol.

@Demon: frankly, that assertion is insulting to the main characters in the film Dumb and Dumber.

As long as I'm dumber.

You're great

Jeb is going left a bit on climate. And the Hillary tactics to take down Bernie just make me want to vomit. I can just vote for Hillary over someone else that makes me vomit even more, i.e. Trump/Cruz. I really hope I don't have to make a lesser-of-two-evils decision in November, I really don't.

There's a special place in hell for people with vaginas that don't vote for Hillary Clinton. Apparently.

Let's not broadcast those pathetic words any more than the media already has, wj.

Yes, comrade! :)

You know what makes me vomit? Berniebros.

Such a gendered view of the world. Shame.

But does Bernie make you vomit?

As long she distributes that vomit out fairly and evenly.

No y2k, but nor does Hillary. I don't vomit at progressive candidates.

"Never forget: When voter turnout is high, Democrats win. When voter turnout is low and people are demoralized, Republicans win."

I know too many people to count that will abstain from voting if Hillary gets the nomination. Maybe it'll take a Republican president to get the Democratic Party to actually hold democratic elections and not give people with your personal interstate a 400 delegate lead over the popular candidate.

Personal interests*

Or maybe it'll take a Republican president to get the actual progressives within the party to break off, just as a Democratic president did to the GOP with the slowly dying Tea Party.

I am starting to wonder if the Bernie thing is just a hipster vs counter hipsterism thing. People who wanna be edgy and seem like they give a fuck about basic human rights tend to act all hipster and chant Feel the Bern! while people against Bernie tend to be people who dislike trendy things and try to start trends of their own. Like counter cultural faux pas i.e suddenly becoming a Nickleback fan, or this bizarre love of Scott Pilgrim vs. the World types (that movie is fucking awful).

Another example I can think of is the people who are deleting their facebooks and talking about how "social networking" is just not their thing anymore. But they really just moved to Tumblr or Snapchat or some other thing because their facebook was too full of drama.

Alas I digress. I like both candidates and will happily vote for the next President of the US as long as they are any Democrat. Shit put Howard Dean in there.

I'm fairly convinced that people who are threatening to abstain their vote for Hillary will be absolutely terrified at the thought of Cruz or Trump being POTUS, and by the time the election occurs they'll suck up their loss and vote for her.

DO, I vomit at someone that gets paid $83/word for speeches to investment banks and can't bring herself to support a livable minimum wage.

Bernie is not a destroyer of worlds unlike many of his supporters. He knows better than to ruin Hillary. He wants her to win if it ends up being her anyway.

Hillary isn't really that progressive, she's status quo. Jeb isn't that conservative either. When the initial predictions of Clinton vs Bush version 2.0 came out last year, it was pretty hilarious both in the ridiculous dynastic politics involved, and the fact that the candidates aren't really all that different.

Luckily, the lack of Republican sanity ensures the moderates like Kasich & Jeb really have no chance, and Rubio's face pummelling that he got given by Christie probably rules him out too.

So Trump it probably is. Perhaps his great wall of USA will be blocked, perhaps not... the border fence is pretty highly guarded already after all, and Hungary employed that exact same tactic just last year to deal with the refugee crisis in Europe... it's not unheard of. Trump is no fascist, he's just the Americanised version of Nigel Farage. I'd be more concerned about his economic policies if he got in than anything else, as I struggle to imagine a big businessman doing anything positive there.

I hope if Bernie wins he picks Elizabeth Warren as his running mate. That'd be a nice combination.

@y2k She supports a higher minimum wage than any Republican candidate. Not only that, but did you not support Obama? Or is he too establishment to be President?

Why would Hillary adding Elizabeth Warren be a bad idea? I would think both would want her. The only issue with that is taking yet another Senate seat away.

Hillary taking Michelle Obama as a VP would be utterly hilarious.

Anti-establishmentism wasn't exactly a big force in 2008 because the long term effects of the credit crunch were a long way from being in force, but even still Obama was not the establishment then... he was the outside force who stole it from Hillary, and he pulled everyone a little bit in his direction when he won. Bernie is essentially trying to do the same thing Obama did back then, and pull it all a little bit left again. By the end of an eight year presidency, he'd be just as "establishment" as the rest of them, because others would've adjusted and accepted at least some of his ideals when the American public had clearly voted for them.

I can't see Warren wanting to run with Hillary.

DO, I voted for Obama both in '08 and '12 as a lesser of two evils. Like I said, I'm ready to do it again if need be but I really don't want to. And if I have to do that in '16, I may not feel the drive to go vote in '18, like I didn't vote in '14.

Kasich is not a moderate. I wish the media would stop saying that. He has governed extremely conservatively, especially on social issues. I unfortunately live in Ohio.

Moderate by Republican standards**

His focus on bipartisanship being the main factor there, but yeah, I don't know a huge amount about him. Given his lack of campaign infrastructure and funding though, I can't see him surviving past super Tuesday.