##VOTE Balki
I am of the opinion Bo genuinely townslipped. However, Balki's machinations to end Day 1 so immediately have not been explained satisfactorily. A mafia member wouldn't want to take such a long shot at lynching scum. A crafty town or cultist who will likely be able to shape our views and defend himself would drop the hammer. By it's nature there would be little evidence for any compelling case.

Balki, or brainbomb since you are defending him, please post a clear and concise explanation of your reasoning.

Brain: "breadcrumbing anything in this setup is awful."

This statement combined with several of your recent ones seem to show an unusual fixation. I haven't decided what it means yet. Do you have anything to say about it?

##VOTE ghug

Sure Mr. Asimov. Allow me to explain my logic.

1. Breadcrumbing as the MAFIA is a terrible idea right now. for one thing, you endanger yourself from 4 sources. Source 1 is the vig could shoot you on sight right now at any moment. Source 2 is Masons would avoid and know who not to target, namely you since a visiting mason leader dies if they target a Mafia PR, this gives Masons a chance to make a more informed decision. Source 3 is Cult taking out a Mafia PR. Source 4 is that a coordinated temporary alliance among Town and Cult could converge on a suspected Mafia PR lynch option.

Now for the non Mason Town PR's breadcrumbing is risky, but less so. With so few Town the Masons will only convert outside the people who appear breadcrumbed. if they think they know who a Maf PR is.

Masons would not want to accidentally convert vig for example. Nor would Masons want to convert QM.

So the QM and Vig would make commentary to Cult and Masons about who to focus on. Hence why I think both Vash and ghug will be ignored by the Cult and the Masons alike. I suspect foul play.

The Balki wagon and Bo wagon remind me of the Flum and Bo wagons of last game. Arbitrary, empty, and lacking in any real substance.

I like y2k's idea.

#Vote Ghug

##Vote ghug

brain, the point of breadcrumbing is to leave something that can't be noticed at the time but adds credibility to your claim later. People just need to breadcrumb intelligently and we'll be fine.

lol, y2k's "idea"

Love you both to death.

ghug its the fact that you and Vash are clearly not Mafia PR that makes you both prime. What was with the xorxes vote early?

BB, now you are just making me confused

The xorxes vote was a joke vote referencing a game that xorxes referenced at the beginning and has since posted a link for.

You shouldn't be voting for people because they're not something. You should be voting for them because they are something.

Thanks brainbomb.

You have acknowledged I am a dumb traitor. That was vash's reasoning for why converting me was a bad plan. You repeated that sentiment. To me it reads as signals to teammates not to convert myself, you, or Vash. but why you? why would you care if you get converted?

Maf PR wouldnt even touch that argument with a 20 foot pole. But a town PR would.

lets find out who is lurking, thats normally a good place to start

@delarosa: that is what bb does best

if there was ever a setup to lynch a lurker, it's this one

the problem with that Delarosa is that the lurkers are some of the most outspoken players we have. Vecna, Jamiet, Maniac, and captainmeme are hardly your motley group of castaways.

Claesar is the only new player yet to speak. I expect he may show up in the near future, I think he said he is from Europe.

@brain, what?

I argued that the free agency bullshit is bad because it is bad. I called you a dumb traitor because that's what you were attempting to present yourself as, not because it's the truth. I wouldn't presume to know the truth already.

Anything else?

you keep acting as if free agency is not going to happen. whether you like it or not, masons and cult will both convert tonight and the likely targets for safety reasons will be among the people who made themselves look as traitor vanilla as possible because Masons don't wanna convert their own kind, and cult doesn't wanna risk converting a mason and dying in the process.

the invite to be converted is bad for the individual but good for the Mafia PR's. it makes suspected converts a viable lynch. As any willful player who wants to help the cause would reasonably do. If anything its playing as close to your win condition as possible.

Anyway we shall see. Id be fine with a Vash lynch too.

MASONING EFFECTS:
-If the masons ‘mason’ a town PR; that PR loses its PR abilities and joins the MASON QT from the next night onwards.
-If the masons ‘mason’ a traitor; then that traitor becomes a mason and is now sided with the town, and joins the MASON QT from the next night onwards.
-If the masons ‘mason’ a Cultist (whether Cult Leader or just a member), then that cultist DIES immediately.
-If the masons ‘mason’ a Mafia PR (Stalker, Fabricator, or Ninja), then EVERY MASON WHO VISITED that mafia member will DIE immediately. Any mason who did NOT visit will NOT die, and will be able to continue masoning as normal.
-If the masons and cultist both try to convert the same player in a night phase, the culting goes through first, and then the masoning goes through so the player DIES as a result.

Bo: "Yes, the traitors need the mafia PRs alive. The people who are voting for me off of a townslip clearly drew the traitor role."

O.o

Can we shut up brainbomb? This game is confusing enough without his ramblings and and crazy commentaries.

Bo’s town err.. scumslip? seems almost too easy. The mafia power roles still have a nightkill, so I’m wondering if we should leave Bo to them? The only protective thing is the vest which won’t be out by night 1.

It seems like a rock paper scissors system where mafia counters masons, masons counter cult, and cult counter mafia.
This is also sort of like a multiball mafia game with two different scum teams, so normal scum hunting doesn’t work, as cults and town still have another faction to “scum hunt” in and blend in.
The two cult leaders should stick out a little more since at least one of the two have to survive to the end game while there's lots of room for death among the town faction removing the pressure of staying alive off them. (The main thing masons have to be worried about is visiting a mafia PR or having one of them get culted.)
With two nightkills, a lynch, and masoning powers having the potential to kill the cult leaders, they have a tough road ahead of them. Be very afraid pagans.

##Vote Chaqa

I had my European sleep and now I'm in. Caught up, too.

I fully agree with OB that trying to end the day phase quickly is fishy. Not only that, I am fundamentally against this strategy. There is a lot of useful information to gather, even from D1! I already have a page of notes..

I will likely change this vote later as it's too flimsy for me, even for D1, but ##vote Balki.

Claesar welcome.

Thank you. I'll be back in a few hours and I might grill a few people.